Holyfield vs. Ibragimov

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  1. Charles Martel

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    I see one of the judges for the Holyfield vs. Ibragimov fight is going to be Tom Miller. He was the one who voted in favor of Ray Austin in his fight with Sultan (Sultan was robbed of a deserved UD), and has shown a strong bias in favor of black boxers in other fights. Another judge for this fight is Chuck Giampa, known for his controversial scorecards.

    I think the only way Ibragimov can win is by KO or TKO. The referee won't let Holyfield get hurt too badly, so I think there is a good chance of a TKO win for Ibragimov. I just hope it doesn't go the distance.Edited by: JD1986
     
  2. Amren.com

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    Miller? Would he happen to be a Jew?
     
  3. Charles Martel

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    I don't know if Miller is Jewish or not, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.
     
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    Miller is apparently a common Jewish name.
     
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    Next we need Melvina and another one of Don King's friends or relations or business partners appointed to the mock judgeship, and then we can trot out King's special house referee Randy Neumann. Yep, the Sultan will have to win by knockout, or else be so overwhelmingly dominant in every single round that even those crooks will .think twice about making their crooked decision, or at least their crooked decision will spark worldwide outrage.




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  6. Charles Martel

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    Only two weeks until this next big fight! I see on The Fight Network's schedule they're showing several of Ibragimov's and Holyfield's past fights next week, including my favorite: Ibragimov vs. Whitaker.

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    In a few days the Russians in Moscow are going to watch this fight. We have to buy the ppv. I'll wait for it on the net.


    Both Ibragimov and Holyfield are going to be motivated for this fight in their own particular ways, but motivation and desire are not enough to win.
    Holyfield is old, weary, and worn. His recent success has been gained by fighting fighters whose abilities were poorer than his own. I cannot confirm nor deny that he still takes illegal substances to improve himself. I do know that he is 42, has fought his best fights 15 years ago, and is fighting on his name recognition now. His skills are still respectable: he moves and defends reasonably well and his attacks are consistent and varied. He is NOT a one dimensional fighter and that was why do beat Tyson and fared well against Lewis. His experience helps him insomuch as he knows what to do to take advantage of his opponents' weakness. But, he is 42. He is slower and weaker and less fit than he once was.

    Ibragimov, on the other hand, is young and fresh. He's not a 22 year old kid but he hasn't over-fought either. He is a dedicated tradesman. He learned his trade behind the iron curtain where simplicity and effeciency are the style of boxers. The eastern europeans didn't win all of those olympic boxing metals over the years by bribing judges. The emphasis has always been on speed and sound technique. Ibragimov fits the mold. He has fast hands with good power, simple and effective footwork, sound conditioning, and strength training that does not impede his movement. He is a tactical fighter with strong discipline. What that means is he has the self control to maintain his strategy throughout a fight. He stays with his fight plan.

    Holyfield is orthodox, Ibragimov is a southpaw. Holyfield will fight as he always does by jabbing and stepping in throwing inside combinations with plenty of elbows and head grazing. Ibragimov will use his foot and hand speed and throw his straight left cross in a timely manner. Holyfield will not stop Ibragimov's straight left. Ibragimov is just too fast, too smart, too skilled, too strong, and too good with his left. This fight is going to end with Ibragimov winning a 10th round tko.
     
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    It's in Moscow, though, and that's a big plus. The crooked judges and refs (redundant to even say that nowadays) will have to mind their manners a little bit, don't you think?




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    May be able to get this fight on the internet via Russian tv - like here:

    http://www.corbina.tv/transmission/

    Maybe on PEH.

    Anybody know what time it's scheduled to start, USA?





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  10. Charles Martel

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    If anyone has the ESPN Classic TV Station, they're showing Holyfield's and Ibragimov's past fights all week, such as Sultan vs. Briggs and Austin, and the very entertaining Sultan vs. Whitaker.
     
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    JD this fight is going to be on pay per view is it now? What are they charging like 49.99?
     
  12. white is right

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    This fight has no business on PPV. This fight should be a mismatch. The only way it's close is if Iggy under performs. Holyfield can't get out of first gear without gassing himself these days. I will watch this fight the next day off some pirate site.... [​IMG]
     
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    It sure doesn't have any right to be on pay per view. Holyfield is old and done. I still want Ibragimov to smack him around pretty good and end his so called "comeback." Only a black can be in his 40's and washed up and still praised by the media because of some "super" athletic powers they have. I watched the replay of the Holyfield-Savarese fight on Espn Classic last week. The announcer actually said that Holyfield can hang with any of the current champs. Whats clowns these announcers are. Now lets just remember he was fighting Savarese who we all know is not an A list fighter. The fight went the distance.
     
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    Yes, it's on PPV. But it will be on network TV in Russia so we'll probably be able to watch it on the internet.
     
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    Excellent.
     
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    Evan Fields weighed in at a ripped and ready 211 and Iggy was 219. I guess Mr. Fields still had some left overs from his fathers steroid order... [​IMG]
     
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    Anyone know about what time the fight will start. I know it will be early US time, like mid-day.
     
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    Holyfield has no business boxing for the WBO belt, or any major belt.
     
  19. White Shogun

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    I didn't realize how small Ibragimov is til I saw him standing next to Evander Holyfield. Sultan may outweigh Evander by a few pounds, but he appears to be much shorter. Pretty amazing, considering that Holyfield has always been considered a blown-up cruiserweight.

    For what it's worth, most people are picking Holyfield. I hope Ibragimov knocks him out, but I expect Sultan will win by UD.
     
  20. Amren.com

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    I think 1pm. Can this be seen on Dish Satellite?
     
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    If you mean the Dish network yes if you pay whatever the price is. You may be able to see the fight for free if you know a Euro satellite channel showing the fight for free.
     
  22. Charles Martel

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    Ibragimov is about 6'1, and you're right, he's actually smaller in height and reach than Holyfield. He won his Olympic Silver Medal in the under 200 category, which is called "heavyweight" in the amateurs and "cruiserweight" in the pros.

    Sultan weighed in at 219, and he's had his best fights at 215 - 220 in the past few years. He's in top shape and well prepared. Holyfield's in great shape too.

    I'm very excited about this fight - I'm hoping Ibragimov will retire Holyfield with a KO or TKO. But if it goes the distance he will likely lose - the judges will favor Holyfield, never mind that the fight's in Russia. And the referee will likely ignore any dirty stuff like headbutts by Holyfield, but he'll likely be quick to deduct points from Ibragimov.

    I'm worried about Sultan being cut by the patented "Third Glove" of Holyfield, in that vulnerable place on the upper right hand side of an eye along the rim of the bone, where he's cut Maddaleone, Tyson and others in the past. But Sultan a smart fighter, and despite Holyfield's tricks he will likely prevail with a TKO or KO.Edited by: JD1986
     
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    Watch the fight live via this link, courtesy of ESB.Edited by: White Shogun
     
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    I must admit, this fight makes me very, very nervous. Yeah, I know the argument, that Holyfield is old and worn out. However, his heavily-suspected steroid use makes me wonder if he'll be super-strong as a result. Ibragimov isn't really a better technical boxer than Evander, I'd say they're about even. Sultan can definitely take a punch as well as anyone; I don't think I've ever even seen him in trouble or staggering during a fight. He has a stronger will, as well as an urge to prove himself to American boxing fans, unlike Holyfield. Plus, do you really think he wants to lose to a has-been in his motherland with all his countrymen watching? He will win tomorrow night.

    I think Sultan takes this fight in the 10th round TKO (I pray he ends it way sooner) tomorrow night. I believe Ibragimov will overwhelm Oldyfield and the ref will call the fight as he's pounding away at grandpa.
     
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    Hmmmm. I am unable to find it for sale on Dish PPV. I checked their website.
     

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