EURO 2012 Qualifying Tournament

[frederic38]

Latest lineups for the international games:

Spain: 23 Spaniards
Italy: 21 Italians, Thiaggo Motta (Brazilian-born), Pablo Osvaldo (Argentine), and Balotelli. ***Rossi and Cassano are injured.
Germany: 19 Whites, 3 Blacks, 1 Turk, 1 Arab. ***Lahm was left out
Portugal: 19 Whites, 2 Blacks, 1 Brazilian (Pepe), 1 half-Brazilian (Bruno Alves). ***Ricardo Carvalho might return.

Holland: 14 Whites, 7 Blacks, 1 Arab, 1 part Indonesian. ***Robben is still injured.
Belgium: 16 Whites, 6 Blacks, 2 Arabs, 1 half-Indonesian

England: 14 Whites, 9 Blacks. ***Rooney is suspended. Wilshere, Cleverley, and Gerrard are injured. Carroll is playing poorly.
France: 13 Whites, 2 Arabs, 6 Blacks. ***Gourcuff, Mexes, Nasri, Toulalan were all left out.

mexes is left out because of injury, otherwise he is laurent blanc's first choice in central defence, with adil rami
the very first thing laurent blanc did is change our 2 black central defenders for 1 white and 1 arab central defender
very clever

gourcuff is starting to play well again, but it's too early
laurent blanc likes him, so he might take him for the euro 2012

nasri is injuried also

welcome to the forum by the way :smiley:

 

[Rebajlo]

The Czech Republic fielded black defender Theodor Gebre Selassie (Ethiopian father, Czech mother - the usual combination...) in last week's 2-0 home win over Montenegro:

Yet another eastern European nation whose international team is sprouting its first "multicultural" weeds...

In case any of You are wondering, Gebre Selassie plays for Slovan Liberec in the Czech Republic...

 

[frederic38]

The Czech Republic fielded black defender Theodor Gebre Selassie (Ethiopian father, Czech mother - the usual combination...) in last week's 2-0 home win over Montenegro:

Yet another eastern European nation whose international team is sprouting its first "multicultural" weeds...

In case any of You are wondering, Gebre Selassie plays for Slovan Liberec in the Czech Republic...

let's hope montenegro will be able to beat them then, to punish this disgrace
montenegro lost 2-0 in czech republic, so they will need to win at least 2-0

 

[Matra2]

Montenegro totally dominated but they just couldn't finish. The Czechs go through. I'm hoping the Bosnians join their fellow Muslims Turkey by watching Euro 2012 at home on TV. The pitch in the first leg in Sarajevo was a disgrace.

 

[Matra2]

Ronaldo scores a free kick from 30 yards out after only 7 minutes.

 

[frederic38]

meanwhile, uruguay silenced balotelli

and argentina continues to fail, at half time they lose 1-0 to colombia, in colombia
they really have a bad team these days
and in south america, even against "weak teams", you can't go away with it
so far it looks like they won't qualify for the world cup 2014

(off topic, but i did not want to create a topic, since few like south american soccer here )

 

[Matra2]

Portugal lead Bosnia 3-2 after 65 minutes. A draw would mean no Portugal qualification. The Portuguese should have had a penalty for hand ball just before Bosnia scored their 2nd goal. Tense.

 

[Matra2]

Argentina have scored so it's now 1-1. Portugal have made it 4-2.

 

[frederic38]

Argentina have scored so it's now 1-1. Portugal have made it 4-2.

messi, as usual

i don't watch the match, but i look at a play by play, where argentines can put comments: messi is being bashed again
typical comments:
"me$$i , radicate en españa la concha de tu madreeeeeeee

loco esta seleccion no se identifica con la gente , no hay 1 solo jugador que transpire la camiseta,, se acabo el patriotismo,, ahora todos gannan millones de euros y les chupa un huevo jugar para la seleccon y nadie arriesga nada,, todos se cuidan para sus equipos"

this "not real argentinean" again, over and over
and it's not true, because messi loves argentina, he doesn't care about spain at all

 

[Matra2]

I've lost my live stream of the Argentina match.:icon_mad:

Meanwhile it is no longer tense in Portugal as the home team now leads 6-2!

 

[frederic38]

I've lost my live stream of the Argentina match.:icon_mad:

Meanwhile it is no longer tense in Portugal as the home team now leads 6-2!

did you see zuniga's miss?
it will end in the "horrible misses" thread i think....
2-1, goal by aguero
(messi was at the origin of this goal also)

 

[Matra2]

No, I missed it. I look forward to seeing it in the "horrible misses" thread.

 

[frederic38]

No, I missed it. I look forward to seeing it in the "horrible misses" thread.

finally, i won't post it, because it was with his weak foot
but argentina can consider themselves lucky to have won this match...at the time of this miss, there was only 1-1, and 10 minutes to go...

 

[Rebajlo]

meanwhile, uruguay silenced balotelli

and argentina continues to fail, at half time they lose 1-0 to colombia, in colombia
they really have a bad team these days
and in south america, even against "weak teams", you can't go away with it
so far it looks like they won't qualify for the world cup 2014

(off topic, but i did not want to create a topic, since few like south american soccer here )

Feel free to start a CONMEBOL World Cup Qualifying tournament thread, mate :thumb:

There's also a much-underused "International Friendly Matches" thread:

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php?12752-International-Friendly-Matches

Now, back to the European Championship. The draw for the finals tournament shall take place in Kiev on 2 December:

POT 1: Poland*, Ukraine*, Spain, Netherlands
POT 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia
POT 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden
POT 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

*Hosts Poland and Ukraine automatically go into Pot 1...

 

[Matra2]

finally, i won't post it, because it was with his weak foot
but argentina can consider themselves lucky to have won this match...at the time of this miss, there was only 1-1, and 10 minutes to go...

I saw the Zuniga shot. In fairness to him the shot did not miss the net. The goalkeeper made the save. Zuniga should've done better but I agree it does not belong in the "horrible misses" thread.

 

[frederic38]

during these qualifications, i was shocked to see what wladimir weiss did to the slovakia national team, a team loaded with talent
during the 2010 world cup, despite their very good performance (losing only against netherlands and eliminating italy) i thought that the team could be better
i was for example tired of seeing his son playing, i thought other players deserved to play

and during these qualifications, weiss even called a black mercenary, maybe the first black to play for slovakia
his name is karim guede, he plays as a defensive middlefielder, he was born in germany to a "french" father and a togolese mother (not sure if anyone mentionned it)

i'm glad ireland and russia qualified, and not this team, but it's a shame, they had a lot of talent

 

[Giles Daldanus]

Yes, I am amazed that Weiss felt the need to resort to using naturalized players...Guede is a capable footballer, but he does not have a strong link with Slovakia. Naturalization defeats the whole purpose of competitions between national teams (the coach is implicitly admitting that "his countrymen are not good enough" and this is of course not only unfair to the local lads who speak the language and are eager to represent their home country, but also shatters the confidence of the more established players). I cannot comprehend why so many sports federations are greedy for success (as you pointed out, Slovakia already made history by eliminating Italy and played well in their match vs the Netherlands) and prefer to embrace "the end justifies the means" philosophy.
The move backfired, as Slovakia suffered a shocking home loss against Armenia (0:4) and were quite disappointing in a number of other games as well. Eventually the Slovaks failed to reach the Euro 2012 finals. It's not a matter of individual mistakes/underwhelming performances (I am certain that Guede made sure to do his best for his adopted country, though that's not the point), but it seems as if the Slovak players lost faith in their coach and no longer felt very motivated. I have been reading a number of Slovak forums and the majority of supporters are not happy/find it more difficult to identify with the national team.

Naturalized players per national team (Euro 2012 finalists)

Croatia - 1: Eduardo da Silva (Brazilian)

Czech Republic - none

Denmark - none

England - none

France - none (however, a number of their footballers like Patrice Evra and Steve Mandanda were not born in France and were thus at one point eligible to represent other countries, e.g. Senegal and D.R. Congo)

Germany - 3: Claudemir Jerônimo Barreto - Cacau (Brazilian), Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski (they were born in Poland, but have both German and Polish ethnic roots and were raised in a German environment, so they could be considered borderline cases).

Greece - none

Italy - 3: Thiago Motta (Brazilian, but has Italian roots), Pablo Daniel Osvaldo (Argentine, but also has Italian heritage), Amauri Carvalho de Oliveira (Brazilian, possible Italian descent).

Netherlands - none at this stage, but Brazilian defender Douglas Franco Teixeira acquired a Dutch passport on the 2nd of November 2011 and the Dutch national team coach has stated that he could be called up to the national side. Some of the Dutch players like Vurnon Anita were born in the Netherlands Antilles or have Surinamese roots (Evander Sno), so were potentially eligible to represent other national squads.

Poland - 4: Roger Guerreiro (Brazilian), Damien Perquis (born in France, but has Polish heritage), Ludovic Obraniak (born in France, but from Polish descent), Eugen Polanski (born in Poland, has Polish roots, but has previously represented German youth teams). Nigerian Emmanuel Olisadebe is still an active footballer, but is unlikely to be a participant in the tournament.

Portugal - 5: Képler Laveran Lima Ferreira - Pepe (Brazilian), Rolando Jorge Pires da Fonseca (Cape Verde), Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha - Nani (Cape Verde), José Bosingwa da Silva (D.R. Congo), Anderson Luís de Souza - Deco (Brazilian, possible Portuguese roots).

Republic of Ireland - 6 (possibly more): Jonathan Walters (English-born, Irish-born mother), Sean St Ledger (English-born, Irish heritage), James McCarthy (Scottish-born, family links to Ireland), Leon Best (English-born, family connection to Ireland), Paul Green (English-born, eligible due to family status within Ireland), Caleb Folan (English-born, family members' connection). It has to be acknowledged that these are not necessarily clearcut cases of opportunism, as most of the players in question do have Irish roots.

Russia - none

Sweden - none

Spain - none, Brazilian Marcos Senna is still an active footballer, but is unlikely to be called up.

Ukraine - 3: Artem Milevskiy (ethnic Belarusian, born in Belarus, has represented the Belarus U16 side), Marko Devich (ethnic Serb, born in Belgrade), Edmar Halovskyi de Lacerda (Brazilian). Some of the Shakhtar Donetsk Brazilians might also be eligible, but are unlikely to receive a call-up.

 

[frederic38]

also ukraine has a player of greek origin: Yevhen Khacheridi
"Khacheridi's father is ethnically Greek, so he cheered for the Greek national football team in the UEFA Euro 2004."

and the portuguese danny was born in venezuela, but it seems that his parents were both portuguese, and he almost always lived in portugal

about the ukranian-brazilian, it's the first time i see a brazilian married to a local woman, apart from eduardo
maybe they are both jews? (golovski is the name of his wife, i have no idea if it is a jewish name, and he has an eastern european name too, strange for someone from sao paulo)

about the brazilians playing for donetsk, some have already been called for brazil, so they won't be able to play for ukraine
and the others will be called or hope they will be called
to my knowledge, none of them have ukrainian passport, because none of them is married to a local woman, they all have brazilian wives

 

[Giles Daldanus]

also ukraine has a player of greek origin: Yevhen Khacheridi
"Khacheridi's father is ethnically Greek, so he cheered for the Greek national football team in the UEFA Euro 2004."

That's right; ironically Khacheridi participated in the 2010 World Cup playoff matches against Greece. It's very hard to say who will be a starter or a substitute in the case of Ukraine, as the coach is experimenting a lot (he is even switching around 4 different goalkeepers). Shevchenko, Tymoschuk and Chygrinskiy are possibly the only ones who have locked up the starting spot.

Michal Papadopoulos who is half Greek has represented the Czech Republic national team on a number of occasions.

Btw, I forgot about another Ukrainian player - Oleksandr Aliyev. He was born in Russia and could probably also be considered naturalized (not sure what his ethnic roots are, his family name may be Tatar-influenced).

Russia has a number of players of Ossetian (Alan Dzagoev, Vladimir Gabulov), Azeri (Aleksandr Samedov) and Tatar origin (Renat Yanbaev, Diniyar Bilyaletdinov).

about the ukranian-brazilian, it's the first time i see a brazilian married to a local woman, apart from eduardo
maybe they are both jews? (golovski is the name of his wife, i have no idea if it is a jewish name, and he has an eastern european name too, strange for someone from sao paulo)

Indeed, it's unusual, but I don't think that they are Jewish. Golovski is not an uncommon name among Russians and Ukrainians. I have a suspicion that Edmar's Brazilian name (Edmar Aparecida) may have been "Ukrainianized" in his official Ukrainian passport as well (I guess for symbolic reasons, so that he is more easily accepted by the fans).
Btw, countries like Qatar sometimes assign Islamic sounding names to naturalized foreign sportsmen (for example, Jaber Saeed Salem is the new name of former Bulgarian weightlifter Yani Marchokov).

about the brazilians playing for donetsk, some have already been called for brazil, so they won't be able to play for ukraine
and the others will be called or hope they will be called
to my knowledge, none of them have ukrainian passport, because none of them is married to a local woman, they all have brazilian wives

Good point and it also seems as if the Ukrainian federation is somewhat selective when it comes to naturalization - they want the foreigners to sort of "look like Ukrainians" (this is based on some of the comments I have come across on Ukrainian forums).

I checked again and it appears that Willian Borges da Silva, Jádson Rodrigues da Silva and Fernando Luiz Rosa-Fernandinho have already been capped for Brazil. Luiz Adriano de Souza da Silva is the only one who could don the Ukrainian national team jersey (he will become eligible in March 2012).​

 

[frederic38]

Luiz Adriano de Souza da Silva is the only one who could don the Ukrainian national team jersey (he will become eligible in March 2012).


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i don't think he will do it, since he has no connection to ukraine, and a brazilian wife
he probably would prefer to play a single time for brazil and never be called again

about this brazilian- ukranian guy: i get it, you'r right, his real name is Edmar de Lacerda Aparecida, aparecida being his paternal name, and they ukranianised it, harlovskyi sounds a little bit like aparecida maybe for them
and to add confusion, i think he added his wife's name to his :
"Ele tornou-se cidadão ucraniano no início do ano e acrescentou o sobrenome da mulher, Golovski, ao seu."
http://globoesporte.globo.com/platb/europa-via-maranhao/tag/edmar/

i hope he doesn't get called, milevsky must be their play maker

Btw, countries like Qatar sometimes assign Islamic sounding names to naturalized foreign sportsmen (for example, Jaber Saeed Salem is the new name of former Bulgarian weightlifter Yani Marchokov)

mehmet aurelio comes to mind
also emerson cheik

 

[Porthos]

during these qualifications, i was shocked to see what wladimir weiss did to the slovakia national team, a team loaded with talent
during the 2010 world cup, despite their very good performance (losing only against netherlands and eliminating italy) i thought that the team could be better
i was for example tired of seeing his son playing, i thought other players deserved to play

and during these qualifications, weiss even called a black mercenary, maybe the first black to play for slovakia
his name is karim guede, he plays as a defensive middlefielder, he was born in germany to a "french" father and a togolese mother (not sure if anyone mentionned it)

i'm glad ireland and russia qualified, and not this team, but it's a shame, they had a lot of talent

Isn't Weiss Jewish? That would explain a lot.

 

[frederic38]

Isn't Weiss Jewish? That would explain a lot.

i had the same reaction, but there is no proof
in eastern europe some have german names and are not jewish
but what he did looks jewish...

 

[frederic38]

regarding spain, senna won't be called, but the biggest threat are the brazilian that plays for barcelona , thiago alcantara
and even more dangerous (pretty sure he will be in the team) the brazilian, born in brazil, who plays for benfica, rodrigo

 

[Rebajlo]

Here are the groups for the finals tournament, beginning on June 8, 2012.

GROUP A: Poland, Greece, Russia, Czech Republic

GROUP B: Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Portugal

GROUP C: Spain, Italy, Ireland, Croatia

GROUP D: Ukraine, Sweden, France, England

Interesting...

On a side note, the official EURO 2012 song shall be performed by "German" singer Oceana:

 

[frederic38]

Here are the groups for the finals tournament, beginning on June 8, 2012.

GROUP A: Poland, Greece, Russia, Czech Republic

GROUP B: Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Portugal

GROUP C: Spain, Italy, Ireland, Croatia

GROUP D: Ukraine, Sweden, France, England

Interesting...

On a side note, the official EURO 2012 song shall be performed by "German" singer Oceana:

group A: not a bad group for poland, but greece and russia are the favorites
group B: the hardest group
i see portugal qualifying, and denmark too, if they have no black defenders on the field
denmark has eriksen, mentionned in the "top white soccer talents"
kjaer, as roma defender, very good too
and bendtner, the best european striker for me, he has it all

group C: spain and italy should be the favorites, but croatia can surprise, italy is always dangerous, but they have a bad team these days (for italian standards)
if balotelli plays, italy might also be toothless ofensively
even ireland can beat italy i think, if they are in a good day

group D:ukraine and england will go to the next round i think
france is unpredictable, i really don't know who will play
andy caroll must make a good tournament, since rooney won't be able to play the first matches (suspended i think)



what an ugly woman!
at least choose a beatiful brown woman if you REALLY want to have a black "german" singing