Eastern Europeans in boxing and other Sports

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  1. Spartan

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    Ok my question basically is, are the Eastern Europeans naturally superior athletes to everyone else, thanks to genes? And of course our western media will never mention such a thing simple because they are white?</span><div>
    </span></div><div>Eastern Europeans could not compete in any professional sport and we could use professional boxing as example, where from 1885 to 1995, for 110 years, their governments and politics did not allow them to become professional boxers and fight for personal benefit.

    USSR which was the capital of communism, as most eastern European nations (with very few exceptions) could not participate at the Olympics either, until the Olympics of 1952, when Soviet Union participated for the first time at the Olympic Games. They decided to participate only because they wanted to demonstrate their power in the athletic level as well (since the cold war was a competition about everything) and they literally and i am being historically accurate with this claim, SMASHED teams of USA, Western Germany, Italy, France, Australia, and all the other nations of the western world. USSR participated in total 19 Olympics, 10 summer and 9 winter, and dominated the medal rankings 16 of the 19 times. Also countries as East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary were also in the top 10 of the medal rankings regularly.

    Now when it comes only to boxing, there's no doubt that the countries of Eastern Europe, as a region, are the most powerful and dominant in the history of amateur boxing. They participate at the Olympics as i already said from 1952 and later, yet they have won 491 of the 842 medals given in the history of Olympic boxing and if someone includes the world amateur championships, they have literally won over 75% of the medals in the world games, in which they participated from the very beginning in the early-mid 70's. This tell us what? That they would have won probably, about the same amount of medals at the Olympics too, if they could participate like USA for example, from the very first Olympics in Athens of 1896.

    Also from 1994 and later, that most eastern European countries started to allow professional boxing, there have been 98 world champions from eastern Europe inside only 17 years, i think that's a record for any region of the planet in history.

    </span>Would the history of professional boxing be 100% different if they could participate earlier? THAT'S A GIVEN, NOT EVEN SOMETHING TO DOUBT ABOUT.
    Truth that facts prove again and again, is that eastern Europeans are the most diverse athletes on the planet, since they participate and win medals in EVERY SPORT THERE IS. Based on facts they seem to be the most strong people on the planet with Scandinavians, they are the biggest people on earth according to various scientific researches, they are very tough, very fast in various events such as running, swimming, ice skating, cycling, rowing, triathlon, decathlon (now that's diversity) and their school of amateur boxing is regarded as the greatest of all time.
    If you add in the mix their incredible success in every combat and power sport there is as wrestling which they dominate regularly at Olympics, Kickboxing, Sambo, Judo, MMA, weightlifting, strongest man competitions, discus, javelin etc you have the perfect fighting machines, which is the reason why their special forces and military is considered the most hardcore and tough in the world.

    Laszlo Papp is widely accepted worldwide as the greatest amateur boxer who ever lived.

    Vasyl Lomachenko is the greatest amateur boxer in the world right now and breaks one record after another in the amateur world, the boy is PHENOMENAL. Imagine someone like him, few years ago would not have a chance to prove his talents and skills in the professional stage, as also the Klitschkos, Pirog, Golovkin, Povetkin, Bute, Adamek and all the rest Eastern Europeans of today who dominate the sport in their divisions.

    What do you guys think? Could you imagine a region of the planet with the athletic achievements of Eastern Europe being black? Our media would celebrate them like Gods on earth right?</span></div><div>

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  2. Liverlips

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    I doubt it is genetic as they have the same genes as us.

    I think it is cultural (they grow up poorer hence tougher and also without brainwashing about the unstoppable black athlete ... hold on a minute I can't stop laughing at that thought after watching MMA last night...)

    It is also about the training. The old commies were evil but they gave the people some world class athletic training. They also weed out the weaklings early on so that the best of the best are the ones representing the country.
     
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    Good point Liverlips, the American sports programs have for over fifty years been based on "Dumpster diving" for our sports heros and not just looking the best.
     
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    Also, where does MLB put their free world class traing camps? Appalachia? The Ozarks? The farms of Nebraska?

    Nope - the Domincan Republic and the "inner cities."

    Where does the PGA and WTA hold their free clinics? The inner city.

    Where does the PAL locate their free boxing programs? The inner city.

    If you are white you simply have to pay for your sports instruction. Can't pay? Too bad, whitey.Edited by: Liverlips
     
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    That's the truth, Liverlips. And even if a white kid gets to a boxing gym he'll probably find himself in a hostile milieu, negroes and rap music playing, or all hispanic.
     
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    They have excellent boxing training programs in Russia and eastern Europe. When you see those guys fight you can see how well trained they are compared with most American fighters.
     
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    In a word, yes. Many whites in America are Slavic or part Slavic so you can include large swaths of the American population in your definition of "Eastern Europeans" also.

    The Slavs have been the best at everything they have pursued including sprinting and have dominated any event in which they have had a sustained interest and presence (their pursuit of sprinting never seemed consistent).

    In addition to all of the things you've already mentioned I'll also point to high-jumper Valerie Brummell. Brummell was so explosive that, at about 6 foot tall, he could jump high enough to kick a regulation height basketball rim. Formerly the world record holder in thehigh jump, Brummell is still, arguably, the greatest high jumper of all time when taking into consideration that he got the heighthe did scissor style and withunsophisticated shoes, etc.

    There was a Polish weightlifting world record holder who had a 60 inch standing box jump which illustrutes truly rare athletic ability.

    Anecdotally, the biggest and strongest men I've ever known were white and they almost always haveSlovak or Polish sounding last names.

    As mentioned, the Scandinavians are a relatively close second in terms of strength(and probably overall athletic ability). Interestingly, a Norwegian shot-putter holds the world record in theBroad Jump with a mark of about 12'2 inches. The best performers at the NFL combine never even approachthisnumber and there's a good chance the record would still stand even if the event were still contested at the Olympics though, tothe point, I don't believe theEastern Europeans ever really participated in this event.
     
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    Not sure how you figure that. There are different ethinicities possessing unique genotypesthat make up the white race. That's like saying East-Africans have the same genes as West-Africans.

    That said, I do agree that the brainwashing and culture has undermined western white athletic talent and that there are countless gifted white athletes of all ethnicities that have wasted their talent due to this. I'm sure there are plenty of Alan Edwards', Pietro Menneas, and Christopher Lemaitres out there.
     
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    To put abit of perspective on this i dont think Slavs are superior athletes to any other White sub group,though there's no doubt all the White groups are the best athletes in the world.Slavic fighters have been a welcolme infusion into the ranks of professional boxing but the sucess of non Slavic White fighters over the last few years cannot be overlooked.Calzaghe was a Brit of partial Italian ancestry who dominated at world level and turned his opponents faces into paper mache with his fast slashing punches and insane punch output.Froch has been ingegral to the super middle division remaining White dominated.Non Slavic White heavy prospects like David Price and Robert Helenius and Tyson Fury who i think is a potential beast at 6'9' and 270 could go along way.

    If your talking from an American perspective i would say White Anglos of British/German descent are possibly the best athletes.Maybe because theres more of them but guys like Clay Mathews,Chris Long,Adam Carriker
    [1.58 10 yd at 300 pounds],JJ Watt are straight up freak athletes amongst others.Blaine Summer put up an incredible 52 reps on his pro day and should be on an NFL roster next year.These guys from their names appear to be of predominately Anglo descent.There's no doubt in my mind non Slavic American Whites have the athleticism,size,strength,explosion,speed and skill to produce heavyweight champions but theres a woeful lack of them in the amateur ranks.
     
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    Slav is a language group not a race. The name Russia comes from Rus. The Rus were Norsemen, Vikings. White folk are all kindred people and shouldn't be fighting amongst themselves saying one branch of the race is better than another. The enemy loves that and encourages that. Divide and conquer.

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    <div></div><div>So true. It would be nice to see some more white gyms pop up in the suburbs.. </div>
     
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    There are some good Eastern European prospects in the NBA draft this year to go along with Jimmer
    Fredette as some other good white American prospects.
     
  13. white is right

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    I recall gyms popping up in the suburbs when Boxercise was a hot fad in the late 90's early 2000's. Quite a few boxers got jobs as instructors and earned good money while the fad lasted. Of course these gyms virtually never produce world class boxers.
     
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    They still have those gyms around here, but as far as I can tell they mostly exist to sell yuppies who want to exercise and get in shape contracts. I went in one to look around not long ago since I had some free passes. Friendly enough, but I didn't see any boxing training going on, just regular people working out on the exercise machines. Here's one review, probably pretty accurate:

    "Good for kids, not much for the rest. I visited .......twice, looking to further my kickboxing and boxing skills. I'm 24 and have 3 years of past experience prior to coming to ...... This was the last gym to visit on my list when settling on the best boxing gym in ..... I looked at ....., and ...... Both visits were uncomfortable given what I was looking for, first off everyone I talked to around the boxing ring (who didn't work there) was under 18 and they told me first hand that its the norm and they come everyday. That was strike one in my book, especially when I'm looking to go pro in the next two years. The nail in the coffin was the pushy staff who wouldn't let me look around without hearing "sign up today and...." every other sentence. Bottom line: This place has good BJJ from what I've heard, but the boxing/kickboxing programs are like high school gym class all over again. Add in the price and atmosphere, and you have a certified bust!"



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  15. Rebajlo

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    Not all eastern European nations have top class sporting programs. I can speak for Poland, where the paltry money allocated by the government generally flows straight into the pockets of corrupt officials, managers, et cetera, meaning that support networks for athletes are virtually nonexistent and facilities are quite often rudimentary at best.

    Polish gymnast Leszek Blanik won the gold medal in the vault at the Beijing Olympics. Do You know where he trained? In a dingy little hall so small that he didn't have sufficient space for his approach. This minor technical problem was circumvented by his coach holding open a door while Blanik sprinted down a corridor which thus provided him with the requisite run-up.

    Needless to say, such a "system" (or lack thereof) ensures that plenty (actually, most) of the people with top-class potential do not receive the opportunity to pursue their careers seriously, are consequently discouraged from participating and therefore remain in obscurity. I recall hearing that the trainer of multiple Olympic gold-medal winning alpine skier Janica Kostelic (her father, Ante) once remarked that a young Polish kid was the finest raw skiing talent he had ever seen. The fact that I cannot remember the kid's name speaks volumes about the point that I am making - such a potential champion didn't even enter the professional ranks and simply continued working part-time in a ski shop in the Tatra mountains...

    The same applies to Polish boxing. There is a veritable cartload of talent, yet the "system" fails to take advantage of this, whereas the seedier side of society does. Many lads who could make a successful professional career instead end up as bouncers,enforcers for petty criminal gangs, or fight in illegal bareknuckle events.

    When it comes to comparisons between eastern and western European / American boxers, some of the difference lies in environment and attitudes. If You'veever had the displeasure of walking about a Polish tenement estate (something which I definitely don't recommend), You'll see the type of environment that produces natural fighters - especially if You are unwise enough to weara scarf or shirt of the "wrong" footballclub (which provides an iron-clad - or, more accurately, a steel-capped - guarantee of physical violence).

    There are hard estates populated by Whites all over Europe, but eastern Europeans do not usually labour beneath a media-disseminated saturation of black fighting / physical supremacy propaganda, although the Jewish-dominated Polish mediatries its very best.Unfortunately, the said media's influence has made rap / hip-hop the most popular form of "music" in the blocks (the Polish-language rap industry is quite substantial) [​IMG], but theoverwhelming majority of Polish toughs derisively laugh at the mere thought of blacks being superior to Whites at anything, let alone fighting.

    Here in Australia, we also have the"entertainment" and sports media-generated stereotypes of the "tough" Islander, Maori and Arab, who good little White boys should be afraid of because the non-Whites shall use their "big muscles" to belt them to a paste. The prevalence of American films, television, music and music videos, coupled with the increasing intake of black African "refugees" and highly visible attempts to involve them in sport, means it doesn't take a prophet to see that the standard inimical messages shall further take root in this country...
     
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    Very interesting post, Rebajlo. Golota was from Warsaw, and mixed up
    with the Polish Mafiya for sure, though I'm not sure to what extent
    that "influenced" some of his more bizarre fights, but I sure have my
    suspicions over some of them, like the Grant and Lewis affairs for
    example. Do you have any knowledge or theories on this?

    But what
    people tend to forget now is that Golota won the heavyweight
    championship twice, fairly and squarely and with no monkey business, vs.
    Byrd and Ruiz, and both times he was robbed by the crooked judges.</div>
     
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    Many Eastern Europeans are superior, and the MSMs fear (of them) goes beyond simply athleticism.. they fear their mental toughness, ultra-dominant facial-features/skull structures and their ability to pull the most ridiculously (complement) gorgeous women on the planet! You see, ONE of the biggest agendas of the cultural Marxists is to promote the idea that White men are dorks and are scared of women. That's one of the primary reasons that this website exists.. to counter the insidious smears of White men and White athletes from the MSM.

    Not all Eastern Europeans are bulls, of course, that's simply not possible, but a vast majority of their athletes are of a dominant genetic background. For example, who wouldn't want to be a Czech hockey stud? A Slavic basketball God? A volleyball tour-de-force? A boxing or MMA titan? A world-class archer or marksman? A wrestling juggernaut? A brutish powerlifter?..

    Eastern European men continue to make inroads in men's tennis. There's Djokovic, of course, and others' like Bernard Tomic look promising. Still others' out there that could step their game up.

    Golf, NASCAR and NFL QB appear safe.. for now. [​IMG]


    P.S. -- Of course, you don't have to be Eastern Euro to excel at hockey, and the Fins are becoming a powerhouse, but the former "Czechoslovakia" has produced much more than their fair share of exciting players. Plus, several hockey greats from Canada have been of Eastern Euro descent. Contrast this Eastern European competiveness, and, sometimes outright dominance (in many sports) to the United Kingdom's dreadful sporting record of late. Do they even have a national volleyball team? Or a hockey team?...
     
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    all those great athletes were never allowed to turn pro by the communists for most of my life time, now that they can they have changed the history of sports.
     
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    Golota is a strange fellow who doesn't require too much prompting in order to engage in "unconventional"behaviour, but he was rumoured to have links with the Polish mafia (mafiya is the Russian spelling [​IMG]).

    Following the collapse of communism in 1989, the 1990swas the "golden decade" of organised crime in Poland. The most powerful gang was the "Mafia Pruszkowska", hailing from Pruszkow, which lies just south-west of Warsaw - one can travel between the two injust underhalf an hour or so. People say that Golota was actually born in Pruszkow, not Warsaw proper.

    As you mentioned, his, er, "bizarre" fights certainly had more than a whiffof suspicion about them - I cannot shed any light on the matter, but my guess is that the Polish gangs weren't involved. Then again, one never knows - some of the stuff these geezers got up to literally beggars belief, but they tended to concentrate their "efforts" on Poland and central/eastern Europe.
     
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    "Golota is a strange fellow who doesn't require too much prompting in order to engage in "unconventional" behaviour, but he was rumoured to have links with the Polish mafia (mafiya is the Russian spelling Wink)..."

    Actually a transcription of the Russian spelling into English since Russian spelling uses Cyrillic letters, and actually Mr G is more than just rumored to have links with the Polish Mafiya. Back to the bizarre Grant fight. Golota's training camp was in Colorado I think. A feller by the name of Kolikowski took up residence there. Mr K. was known by his sobriquet, Pershing. Pershing was the "godfather" of the Polish mafiya. Immediately upon returning to Poland after that fight he was promptly bumped off by his fellow mafiosi at a Polish resort. Golota attended his funeral.

    It's been a long time since I saw that fight, but as I recall Golota was pretty handily winning it until a certain point when he stopped winning it and started losing it, as if on cue perhaps. Not being a very good actor Golota chose his specialty, doing something goofy, namely quitting. The ref was Randy Neuman and he seemed to be feeding him his cue which he seemed to keep flubbing. Neuman asked him repeatedly if he wanted to continue. I've never seen anything like that before. Neuman is one of the most corrupt and incompetent referees.


    George Foreman at that time was a rarity, an honest tv announcer. He was later fired for his honesty after protesting on the air a scam judge decision in the Oquendo-Byrd fight. Foreman was pretty irate in the early part of the fight when Neuman kept interfering with the action and dogging Golota for no reason. Golota always seemed to get saddled with that idiot dogging him. How did that work? Why didn't Golota and his corner protest Neuman's assignment as referee? Neuman failed to call any of several knockdowns of Byrd that Golota made in one of two fights where Golota did no monkey business and was robbed of legitimate heavyweight championship victories.

    Is Pruzcow a suburb of Warsaw?

    Oh, Golota also had an arrest record in Poland too, as well as here, the ones here that I know about were for totally goofy stuff, pretending to be a cop a couple of times. I recall one thing about him getting in a fight with some guy in a Polish tavern and stuffing him into the garbage can. He's some character. We don't know the full story about him and his strange boxing career. Far from it.
    I bet Adamek could tell some stories about him in private.
     
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    werewolf - Like my joke about bashing poofs in the "June is Gay Pride Month!" thread (Media Racism and Stereotyping section), it appears that You missed my statement's implication (wink and all...). Being of eastern European extraction, I'm obviously very much aware that the Russians employ the Cyrillicalphabet and that "mafiya" is a Romanisation.

    In order to avoid any ambiguities, misapprehensions or mysterious shades of grey, here's why I made that particular statement, which didn't stem from some form of linguistic ignorance.

    Unfortunately, popular culture generally identifies the whole of eastern Europe with Russia and "the Russians". On the whole, I'm deucedly tired of hearing utterances in the vein of "Your name looks Russian" when I fill in a form, "Oh, you speak Russian do you?" when people hear me conversing in Polish, or "Poland is like Russia" et cetera from sundry halfwits and supposedly educated fellows (yet again, just to make things perfectly clear, I'm not saying that You are a halfwit). So when You used the Russian-associated "mafiya" to describe Polish criminal gangs, I gently drew attention to it in a jocular, non-malicious manner. But, hey, keep on using "mafiya", mate. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia - it's all simply Russia-lite, isn't it?

    I was aware that Kolikowski was at Golota's fights and that Golota had attended his funeral, but didn't know that the gangster took up residence in the vicinity of the training camp. This fact opens up a whole new angle. Put it this way, if Kolikowski was at the camp he almost certainly played a role in the indubitably nefarious proceedings - in typical Polish style, these pricks would sell out their countryman for a few dollars plus a complimentary hand job from the local moll and, with the prospect of obtaining a towering pile of cash in the offing, their "input" would be guaranteed.

    I don't claim to be some sort of authority on Golota. Actually, unlike other Poles (well, I'm an Australian of Polish parentage, but You know what I mean [​IMG]), I never paid much attention to Golota and always retained the initial negative opinion of him I had formed as a teenager while watching his Seoul Olympic Games semifinal bout against that arrogant South Korean arsehole (whatever his name was - Ray Mercer knocked him out in the final), a bout in which he put in a suspiciously inept effort and consequently looked like a fool. He made Poles look bad on the world stage (and that was only the first time...), so I instantly wrote the bloke off as some sort of knucklehead who was either plain crap under pressure or, much more likely, an easily suborned idiot.

    When Golota fled Poland in 1990 to avoid the law as a result of a brawl at a Wloclawek disco (or something to that effect) in which he threatened people with an air pistol, my impression was both confirmed and justified. But when he turned professional in the United States and began to generate a fair bit of hype as a "White Hope", I figured that he was being set up for an eventual spectacular failure and humiliation by the usual "boxing establishment" Yids.

    Why was I so pessimistic, given that his pre-Riddick Bowe fights had demonstrated that Golota did possess the necessary tools (with the notable exception of a brain) to be a genuine championship contender? Well, apart from the standard anti-White agendas, there was Golota's ethnicity - he is Polish. Anyone who is Polish or of Polish background and has even a passing interest in history will be aware of the Jews' virulent hatred for Poles (the details of which I won't get into here, as they are superfluous to the topic at hand). Suffice it to say that I believed Golota was being used and that he would never be "permitted" to win a world title - instead he would be made to look like a clown, in keeping with the "Polish joke" tradition initiated and lovingly fostered by the Jews. Sure enough, following the Bowe fights, some poxy little journalist (doubtlessly a Yid) coined the sobriquet of "The Foul Pole", a charming phrase which contained a not-too-subtle double entendre.

    The entire Lennox Lewis episode (complete with "caste friendly" first round knockout) plus the Grant fight proved that Golota was simply being cast in the role of the "dumb Polak" (and, of course, White loser), while the Tyson farce resulted in opprobrium to the nth degree. When I heard that Golota hadquit, I was hardly surprised - to be perfectly honest, I had expected him to "go down" in the first round. Nevertheless, the Jews had - yet again - succeeded in making me bloody well ashamed of my ancestry via that dipstick Golota...

    In Western terms, Pruszkow is a suburb forming the very outer limits of the Warsaw agglomeration, but I referred to it in its Polish sense, in which it is considered to be distinct from the capital. For instance, if You asked a person where they hail from, anyone born in, let's say, Praga Polnoc (on the right - i.e. eastern - bank of the Vistula) or Mokotow (left bank of the Vistula) would reply "Warsaw", whereas someoneborn in Pruszkow would say that they are from Pruszkow.
     
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    Excellent literate posts, Rebajlo.

    " in keeping with the "Polish joke" tradition initiated and lovingly fostered by the Jews."

    Blond jokes too. But you're not allowed to tell negro jokes.

    " I had expected him to "go down" in the first round."

    You're ahead of me then. I expected Andrew to kick Lewis' ass, and I expected his fight with Tyson to be the fight of the century.
     
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    I was aware that Kolikowski was at Golota's fights and that Golota had
    attended his funeral,

    You kind of get an idea about who's doing business with who when you watch the gangster funerals. For instance, phony candidate B in the USSA's last phony democracy shell game scam election, John McCain, was invited to Joey "Joe Bananas" Bonanno's funeral in Arizona, but he sent the most polite and cordial abstention indicating that he would love to attend but it wouldn't at all suit his public image. (PS If you want to know what that commy zionist mafia scumbag is all about just google "John McCain collaborator")

    but didn't know that the gangster took up
    residence in the vicinity of the training camp. This fact opens up a
    whole new angle. Put it this way, if Kolikowski was at the camp he
    almost certainly played a role in the indubitably nefarious proceedings -
    in typical Polish style, these pricks would sell out their countryman
    for a few dollars plus a complimentary hand job from the local moll and,
    with the prospect of obtaining a towering pile of cash in the offing,
    their "input" would be guaranteed.

    Forgedabout "Polish style", that's the way all the boxing, and other mobsters, work. If you want to fix a fight it's a hell of a lot easier to get your man to take a dive or not try so hard, than it is to get to the other feller.

    Rocky Marciano, who was himself no stranger to the Italian Mafia, told the story about how once one of them asked him to throw a fight upon which he reportedly replied, "You're a disgrace to the Italians."




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    Also, good points about "Mafia" vs. "Mafiya". A Jewish man named Robert I. Friedman wrote extensively about what the controlled media calls the Russian Mafiya/Mafia and how it is really the Jewish Mafia.

    Those guys know how to deal with Negroes, though. I remember an incident a number of years ago in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, their "headquarters". Negroes had started doing their thing there, namely mugging people. The Russian Jewish Mafiosi caught one of them and took it up to the roof to hold it safely until police arrived, but unfortunately the Negro tried to escape and fell off the roof.

    Voila! No more muggings.
     
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    Dutch people have the biggest schoulders and build together with people from montenegro but relatively central europeans are the biggest.For example shoulder width and body length are similair so that 10% longer people have 10% wider shoulders .Most countries in europe are the same % smaller shoulder width as dutch people are taller but Central europeans are only 2% smaller build( 8% lighter weight) amd they are 6% smaller height on average.This means they are 4% biggers shoulderentat the same height.For the other european contries in is that they are twice as % lighter as % smaller.( so when 5% smaller 5% lighter becuase of height with 5% becuase of smaller build so 10 together) but the stocky build comes from from Alpine tribe,they are in historie discribed as fat but they aren't at the same time but they look it.In history the body build at the same height differnce was much bigger but white tribes mixed much more then african tribes becuase europe is a small continent and had some wars but were less killing eachother then african tribes and did mix a lot so differnces between differnt white countries became smaller.The alpine isn't alot pure anymore but you see people the most of the stocky alpine element in Luxemburg, tsjechie .They also have broader face width to length ratio then other european on average.they also have biggest torso to leg ratio of all whites but there are not so much people with much alpine in them.

    http://dined.io.tudelft.nl/en,international

    Here you see some body measurments in cm of some white black and mongoloid populations.You see that africans are prettyl small also in height.This is also why west africans do not so well in sprints compared to american blacks relatively because they are much smaller height and there is correlation between height and sprinting.The reoson between this is that at the same relatively power to release body, big steps take just as much more time as they are longer.At first I tought becuae of this it doesn't mather but it does a lot becuase ground force of very stride takes for elite around 0.1 second, so all other facores apart the height or higher bodycenter that is reoson for bigger strides every stride step you have to take give you 0.1 sec faster time.So at the same relateively forse( 10 heavier guy 10% more power needed) relatively the bigger legged guy takes 45 strides and the 5% smaller guy 47.25 or around 0.2-0.25 slower time when they have the same explosiveness muscles.
     

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