Do you claim Genghis Khan as part White ? he was apparently red haired and green eyes

Discussion in 'Happy Hour' started by EurasianFan, Aug 2, 2013.

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Is he part white?

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  1. EurasianFan

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    Genghis Khan was red hair with green eyes and even his son was red/browninish with blue eye-ish however the problem however lies in the fact they look Mongoloid/Asian they only have 15% Caucasian blood but 85% Asian blood and this intermixing happened long before Genghis Khan when Mongol tribes conquered parts of Central Asia.

    His Y-DNA trace back to Mongoloid Tungustic people, descendants of Genghis Khan are C3 but there is 14.7% of Caucasian maternal DNA in Mongolians but this existed long before the time of Genghis Khan when other smaller mongolic empires was conquering parts of Central Asia




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  2. EurasianFan

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    Here is Genghis Khan son, this is a authentic painting he was mentioned as having blue eyes and reddish/brown hair by Chinese painter in 14th century

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  3. davidholly

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    Has anyone here ever claimed Genghis Khan was white? No! So **** off. Stop creating a problem where there isn't any. Was he part white? You already answered that question, dumb****. Redhair and light eyes originated in Europe, so he's got some white DNA.
     
  4. EurasianFan

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    What's with all the cussing, have some manners. Calm your balls. And for your info light eyes originated in the Middle east 10,000 years ago and spread to europe where it depigmented europeans.

    THINK DAMN CAREFULLY PLEASE.


    Did I claim he was White? NO
    Did I claim he was part white? YES


    HOWEVER the problem
    lies in the fact Mongolians have only 15% Caucasian DNA and he couldn't have been any different to modern Mongols. Can we consider Asians with only 15% Caucasian blood as part white

    If Genghis Khan is part white because of 10-20% white blood than Turkish people are also part Asians

    which means the ottoman empire which conquered europe for 600 years was part asian.
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    Turkish are basically a mixture of West Asian, European with small 5-21% Mongoloid admixture depending on the individual.



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    1 Sample 18.5% Mongoloid admixture
    2 Sample 18% Mongoloid admixture
    1 Sample 17% Mongoloid admixture
    3 Sample 15% Mongoloid admixture


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    1 Sample 13.7% Mongoloid admixture
    2 Sample 13.5% Mongoloid admixture
    1 Sample 12.5% Mongoloid admixture


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    1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
    2 Sample 3.5% Mongoloid admixture
    1 Sample 2.5% Mongoloid admixture
    1 Sample 2% Mongoloid admixture
    1 Sample 0% Mongoloid admixture






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    2 Samples have 15% Mongoloid admixture
    1 Samples have 13% Mongoloid admixture
    2 Samples have 12.5% Mongoloid admixture


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    1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
    2 Samples 6.8% Mongoloid admixture
    9 Samples 4.5 - 6% Mongoloid admixture


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    1 sample 0.5%


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    3 Samples 12 - 13%
    5 Samples 6-7% Mongoloid
    10 Samples 4-5% Mongoloid
    5 Samples 3.5% Mongoloid


     
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  5. Phall

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    I actually claim Genghis Khan as "full White" and keep a portrait of him tacked to my bedroom ceiling so I can gaze into his eyes while I beat off.

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  6. BoxingSpecialist2

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    As I discussed in your thread you made in the Boxing Forum, one of the problems with the word "white" is that it is entirely subjective to whoever is using it. Many people, even within the pro-white community, have different ideas on "white" and who is "white".

    Personally, I would define white as any inherent, ethnic light skinned European including some light skinned Caucasian populations in North Africa, The Middle East, Central Asia, and South & Central America.

    The word "white" is very imprecise, and actually we'd all be more accurate in our discussions if we instead used words like "Caucasian", or "ethnic Western/Central/Southern/Eastern European". There is much less room for disagreement in these words and these words are more direct in their meaning.

    Genghis Khan himself was largely a Mongoloid, and you can see that looking at his appearance. He may have some Caucasian in him, but its certainly overshadowed by his Mogoloid features. As I understand, Genghis Khan had offspring which mixed with Caucasians and came to rule the Mughal Empire in the Indian Subcontinent for many years.
     
  7. EurasianFan

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    Even though you're being sarcacistic, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually mean it. You already have tons members from this group who already claimed every freaking Middle eastern, North Africans, even some people in North India as white LOL even go as far as claiming 1/4 Asian and 1/2 Asians as white if they look white. The only people they never claim as white as Gypsies since they are considered inferior by europeans steal and lie a lot even though they have the highest European DNA of all the non-european groups I've mentioned
     
  8. davidholly

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    Manners are for people you either don't know or actually like.

    You just answered your own question, they're aren't white but they're part white. Blacks in the USA are roughly 22% white, we don't call them white but we acknowledge their white DNA exists.

    This isn't Stormfront, no one here that I know of is a '1-dropper', so this entire thread is unfounded.

    It should be noted however that the Mongoloid genetic contributions to the Balkans are actually quite minimal, for two very important reasons.

    First, as you noted Turks are only about ~10% Mongoloid. Even that didn't contribute to Balkan DNA though, why? Because the Mongoloid blood in the Turks trickled down from the early upper echelons. In other words the early soldiers of the Turks probably didn't have any Mongoloid blood because most of them were low caste. The Mongoloid blood would take centuries to get dispensed through the entire population.

    Secondly, once the Ottoman empire was established in the Balkans they had already switched to Janissaries as their main soldiers.
     
  9. EurasianFan

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    So than why aren't gypsies considered white? I have always read many white people talking about gypsies but nobody ever claims Gypsies are white even though they have the highest European DNA of every non-european group.


    Many Arabs are light skinned but one look at their facial features and you would know they are racially distinc some Germans don't even like Turkish/Arab men marrying german women because they physically distinct enough to tell.

    To claim these groups as white because of their light skinned is far fetched and crazy

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  10. Liverlips

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    I live in northern Virginia where there are lots of Asian/white kid mixes. Most of them see themselves as white and mix in effortlessly with full white kids in class and so forth.

    The people on CF would be less likely to view them as white than most so not sure why you are so scared of us. And I don't see you lecturing blacks abut claiming Tiger Woods.

    As to guys like Golovkin, he is seen as white by almost all casual sports fans. Opinions vary on CF but we all cheer for him against black fighters and he is certainly one of the best in boxing right now.
     
  11. EurasianFan

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    PURE NONSENSE, it's simply because Turks didn't intermarried with the Balkans signficantly. and who says they have only 10% Mongoloid blood. Many of them are of 15%.

    Top 5 most Asian Turks

    1. Turk from Southern Mediterranean area/Adana (14%)

    2. Turk from Central Turkey/Ankara ( 14% )


    3. Turk from Northwestern Turkey/Bolu (12%)


    4. Turk from Southwestern Turkey/Aydin (11-12%)


    5. Turk from Central Turkey/Konya (9.6%)


    Mongoloid admixture can range from from 5 - 25% in Turkish people.
    Caucasian admixture in Mongolians can range from 5 - 19%.

    In parts of like in Ankara Mongoloid admixture have reached over 20%.

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    Behar et al. (2010) Turks have 15.4% Central Asian admixture; if we add the 3 Dodecad Project Turks to the sample, this becomes 14.4%.
     
  12. EurasianFan

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    I have never read any crap about most mix Asian consideres themselves white. How is that logical anyway? why would we consider ourselves white when even a mixture of some British and Paki don't?

    I look white too but I rather not consider myself White. Physical appearance and DNA are two different things I'm still 50% Asian.
     
  13. BoxingSpecialist2

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    To be completely honest with you, I'm not fully aware of the history behind the Gypsy population in Europe. But as I understand, they originated in India, migrated to Europe and mixed with "whites" along the way to become sort of a tanned white people.

    Personally I probably would consider such people as "white". But all the same, I'm more comfortable using the word Caucasian. Undoubtedly, such people are Caucasian.

    If you look in the thread you made in Boxing you will see I am a White, European male who has dated many Middle Eastern girls, Arabs, Persians, and North Africans. So it goes both ways.

    As I said, I'm more comfortable with the word "Caucasian". Pretty much all ethnic Middle Easterners and North Africans are Caucasian. Further, many have light skin and are arguably white.

    The pics you have posted are not indicative of all Arabs.

    Hayfa Wehbe, Nancy Ajram, Zinedine Zidane, Karim Benzema are all examples of Arabs who literally look white and if you didn't know better, you'd probably think they are Italian or Spanish.
     
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    Is Tiger Woods "black"?

    His mother was 3/4 Asian and 1/4 Dutch. His father was a mix of negro, Chinese, white & American Indian. He has more Asian ancestry than anything else (about 50%) and looks like an Indonesian to me. He has about as much white as negro in his heritage, yet I NEVER see whites saying he's one of their own, while I do see negroes claiming him (and self-loathing fat wiggers like yourself saying he's "black").

    Is Halle Berry "black"?

    Her mother was a pretty blonde nurse from Manchester, England. Would she be as attractive and feminine if both her parents were "black"?

    Is Barack Obama "black"?

    His mother was white. Would he be as articulate if both his parents were sub-Saharan Africans"? Yet negroes (and despicable wiggers like yourself) voted for him because he's "black".
     
  15. davidholly

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    You are so goddamn stupid, reread my post:
    Do you know what a tilde is retard?
    That concludes our English lesson.
     
  16. EurasianFan

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    Damn so many white ethnic groups. You might aswell claim albino dravidians as white. A albino DRAVIDIAN can even look European don't they?





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  17. Wes Woodhead

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    Tons huh? Perhaps you could point me to a few examples.
     
  18. BoxingSpecialist2

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    Here are two examples of Arabs that I would consider white;

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    Haifa Wehbe, Lebanese singer

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    Zinedine Zidane, Algerian-French footballer

    I mean, honestly, these Arabs are absolutely Caucasian and if you didn't know any better you'd probably assume that they were European. They look white and they are white. Many Arabs and Persians will pass an appearance test and many will consider them white.
     
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    They look nothing like Europeans retard. Dravidians aren't Caucasian either, only Northern India has Caucasians.
     
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    How about this ~ 15%?

    And for your info rather than intermixing in the Balkans Ottomans imported millions of Balkan slaves to turkey which would have diluted Ottomans mongoloid dna.
     
  22. davidholly

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    5-15% Mongoloid, 10% is the logical approximation. If Mongolians were 10-20% Caucasian you'd most certainly bitch if I said they were ~20% Caucasian.

    The Mongoloid Turk DNA was diluted by the millions of Caucasians already in Anatolia. Learn some history.
     
  23. EurasianFan

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    Those are pseudo -resemblance, even Ainu looked caucasian but are not.

    North Africans DNA and phenotypes are different from Europeans, they are distinct enough to be their own separate race.
     
  24. davidholly

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    Nope.
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    Caucasians as a whole are very closely related.
     
  25. EurasianFan

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    And learn some history about the Ottoman empire. The Balkans, Caucasus, Nubian slaves were brought there is even afro-turks descendants of slaves in turkey.

    As can be seen here. Mongolian autosomal DNA samples were taken from western Mongols and Eastern Mongols. In this study Western Mongolians are 83% Mongoloid in DNA but eastern mongolian 95%


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    Even Azeris who were originally Iranians have 10-29% Mongoloid admixture from Turks who conquered them.
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