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Discussion in 'Happy Hour' started by werewolf, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. Don Wassall

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    Done.

    Also, let's keep all discussion about the virus in this thread only and away from the football threads and all other active threads.
     
  2. Old Scratch

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    How are there tens of millions of white people stupid and broken enough to vote for these clowns? And keep voting for them? And then so many that vote in the morons for the GOPe over better candidates.

    What does any of that have to do with an emergency bill that's supposed to address a supposed pandemic? The Republicant proposals are only marginally better, and they don't give a rat's ass about middle America either.
     
  3. CovidCrisis

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    Western Nations (USA, UK, Canada, France, Germany and so on) are now quietly releasing prisoners out of jail into the public sphere. They are doing this to avoid a possible outbreak in the prison population which to an extent is understandable, because the virus would spread like a wildfire if it gets inside and even if you've committed a crime, that doesn't mean you deserve to die or be put in that situation. They are doing this quietly and it is not clear exactly which prisoners are being released. For example are they releasing murderers? It is likely these prisoners will receive government welfare (depending on country) during this pandemic to an extent that is greater than a tax payer (some of which despite hardship are struggling to qualify for government welfares).

    Homeless populations in Western Nations are being housed in expensive hotels and for the duration of this pandemic may actually live more comfortably and safely than average tax paying citizens. It may in fact turn out that prisoners, drug addicts, asylum seekers, and homeless receive a better standard of care than an average tax payer. Some European countries are still accepting asylum seekers, but have actually closed to borders to those attempting to travel as a non-refugee.

    The Looney Left Strikes Again. Prisoners and Homeless and Everyone for that matter does absolutely have a right to life and health, but that will end up coming at the expense and bodily detriment of tax paying citizens, and that is the part that is backwards here. They call these measures progressive (just like the open borders and antiracism that contributed to high death tolls in Europe) but actually this behaviour is backwards.

    At the end of the day you reap what you sow and it is quite telling that Western, self claiming "progressive" nations are by far experiencing the most deaths. Even the 3rd World seems to be in a better position right now. And it is telling that Asia has done a far better job in shutting down their borders and containing the virus than "progressive" Europe has.

    You could say that a nation's degree of leaning to the left is correlated with # of deaths. Reap what you sow.
     
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    Unreal and pathetic. Thanks for posting this Ambrose. Sheds a light on just how corrupt this country is.
     
  5. CovidCrisis

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    700+ Deaths in both Italy and Spain today. A Spanish Doctor said they have run out of protective equipment for employees in Hospitals, ran out of beds, ventilators and even simple medicines (which are largely manufactured in China).
    France and USA right up there getting into the 200 and 300s per day. Unfortunately these #'s will likely continue to increase in the case of France and USA.
     
  6. Don Wassall

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    The smaller coronavirus thread has been merged into this one.
     
  7. Extra Point

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    There's some information about decontamination on this site, Ask a Prepper. One of the things it recommends is the use of ultraviolet light to decontaminate because it claims it kills viruses. It claims you can get UV exposure from plain, old sunlight.

    Ask a Prepper
     
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    Our imbecilic liberal leaders made sure that we have to rely on China for our medicine and made sure we have open borders so diseases can more easily be brought into our country. They're responsible for many deaths. They're evil and insane. Not to mention stupid, because they can become victims too.
     
  9. CovidCrisis

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    Yes, Open Borders was the catalyst for the virus to spread in Western Europe and North America. Many of these nations had more than 2 months to restrict travel or close borders in some capacity but chose not to for leftist ideological or economic reasons. Contrast that to Russia, Saudi Arabia, Thailand and S Korea which placed travel restrictions weeks or months earlier than did Western Europe or N America. Now those nations are in a much stronger position.

    In fact the virus has spread more efficiently into Europe & N America than it has into other parts of China. That is quite shocking when you seriously think about that and telling in terms of comparing a rational Chinese Response VS a Liberal Western response.

    Hospitals in Italy Spain and France are being overwhelmed and not only have ran out of ventilators and equipment they have even ran out of medicine. Naturally, they don't have any ability to manufacture or produce that themselves in Europe or N America because due to international trade all or a lot of that capacity has been outsourced to Asia.

    You Reap What You Sow.

    The whole situation is laughably uncanny and captures the quintessential essence of "free trade", "open borders", liberals, and the overall left to a tee, it would be remarkably laughable if it weren't for the fact that thousands of people are dying.

    There is an evolutionary expression "survival of the fittest" and that absolutely applies to this pandemic and what we are seeing with the vast majority of deaths in self claiming "progressive" Western Nations. These nations, like Ancient Rome, have become decadent, backwards, and suicidal while claiming to be "progressive" and ultimately the citizens are paying in blood for that .
     
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  10. CovidCrisis

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    What is everyone's thoughts on Western Governments releasing prisoners? There are articles in USA Today which state many States are releasing hundreds of prisoners per day. Also occurring in UK and Canada. Government and Correctional Systems have been very quiet about this. Does anyone know if they are releasing murderers and serial murderers? Serious question.
     
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    The most obvious answer is the wardens of these prisons have orders from up above. Who are the ones pulling the strings from up above? just look where the power lies...
     
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    I say no, but what is one voice. The vile Dems will release them, thus they will cause more harm. Yet the vile media will cover for them. Be carrying and be locked and loaded.
     
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    For those in doubt to the true weapon of 5G going in all around the world while we are locked in our houses. This is the beginning of the end my friends.

     
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    As of yesterday, N.C. was not releasing any inmates from state prisons. Although the ACLU is pushing hard to release non-violent offenders. Some sheriffs are quaranteeing new prisoners for 14 days and releasing them if they have not committed a violent crime. The inmates are currently making 1400 cases of hand sanitizer a day. Officials also have cancel all visitations to state prisons.
     
  16. BeyondFedUp

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    White Lightning,
    I am also leery of the whole 5G technology. I don't know enough about the specifics of it to make a qualified statement as to how much of a threat it is or is not. However, I do share your concern but maybe not to the level you have personally.

    I must say though that most important now is to stay positive and circumspect in our outlook. I too am a Christian as you are and believe the Bible is the final Authority in all matters of faith and practice. We must remain trusting God and yet prayer is no substitute for action. I believe in both just as all true Bible believers. And I also believe that we should fight when necessary and whatever means that takes is up to the individual. Even Ecclesiastes 3 which says there's a time and a season for all things says in verse 8 there is a time to fight. Maybe right now it's just time to fight with faith and wisdom in how but there may come a time for assertive action. Right now I'm committed to not taking any vaccines even if they are forced.
     
  17. The Hock

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    Thanks for the video Charles Martel.

    Very informative.
     
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    Monty Python - "Not Dead Yet" Scene (HD) - YouTube
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    In this clip, a dead man pretends to be alive in order to avoid "the cart". (new link 4/2019) ... Monty Python ...
    This is a spoof of course. I'm not making light of anything. I'm just showing this video because this was reality. There was no need of media. Everybody knew there was a disease going around. The guy walking down the street in front of you in London at that time just fell over dear in the middle of a step.
    What we have here is Government/media induced hysteria. Notice, in the spoof, there was no hysteria, people were going about their business the best they could. I've read a bit about that plague in London (they think about 50-70k dead) and that was an actual job, gathering up the dead and taking them for burial (another job).
     
  19. BeyondFedUp

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    THE DEATH TOLL OF A GLOBAL DEPRESSION

    By Jesse Morrell

    You have to have foresight and think this through rationally and logically, not hysterically with panic.

    Look at the actual data of the virus - the death toll and the mortality rate, and see if that merits a global economic collapse and global depression. It doesn’t.

    Think through the logical chain reaction of an economic shutdown.

    First everyone stays home so people don’t go to work. Businesses get a month of no revenue and go bankrupt. After just a few days of loss of revenue big companies already had to do mass layoffs.

    There won’t be jobs for people to return to if all the industries crash. Our government cannot bail out every industry in the country. Not to mention the loss of revenue counties, states, and the federal government will suffer from this.

    50% of the country is employed by small businesses and even large companies are already doing mass layoffs. Norwegian Air laid off 90% of their staff. Businesses, small and large, go bankrupt. People don’t have jobs and can’t pay their mortgages.

    Do you know what fractional reserve banking is? It means the money you think is in the bank isn’t there. They loaned it out and pay the withdrawals from the interest payments coming in.

    What happens when banks don’t get their interest payments, they cannot pay their depositors and the banks fail.

    Last month when the economy was great a bank failed. How many will fail when there is mass unemployment? If the whole nation isn’t working, ALL the banks will fail. That means everyone loses whatever they had in the bank.

    That is why it’s called bank-rupt. It’s what happened in the Great Depression after the stock market crash.

    That means you can’t feed your family. You can’t buy anything. All your cash is gone. Your bank card won’t work. It’s just whatever change you have in your pocket or cash tucked away.

    But wait. The FDIC insured the nations depositors up to $250,000 an account. Yes, but just like the bank does fractional reserve banking, insurance does fractional reserve insurance.

    The FDIC doesn’t have enough money to cover all the banks they insure. If everyone makes a claim, insurance companies go bankrupt.

    Already, the reserve amount required by the Federal Reserve has dropped from 10% reserves down to 0%, meaning banks are not required right now to have any reserve to cover their depositors.

    “the Board reduced reserve requirement ratios to zero percent effective March 26, 2020. This action eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions”

    When a banks reserves hit only 9% in the past, the FDIC deemed it insolvent and shut it down. Now they can go down to 0%. This means the banks are either already collapsing or they see the collapse around the corner.

    When the banks don't have enough money to cover their depositors, the FDIC will turn to the federal reserve to print more money. Can the tax payer bail out every depositor in the country???? Can you say hyperinflation and currency collapse? Look at what happened in Venezuela!

    Currencies have collapsed under less severe circumstances than a nationwide economic shutdown!

    And an economic collapse is the perfect conditions for a socialist revolution - the government rebuilding the economy. They already have made the masses dependent on the government for their monthly income. If the country collapses, they will look to the government to fix it. They already talked about bailing out big industries in exchange for equity. And government ownership of the economy is communism.

    But a global economic collapse is too big to even be bailed out by the tax payer. You think the economy will just bounce back?? It took them ten years to get out of the Great Depression. And they only had 24.9% unemployment! They are already talking 35% unemployment for America right now and it’s just the beginning if it doesn’t end soon.

    Think worse than the Great Depression. Think greatest economic catastrophe in our nations history. Even the Great Depression didn’t shut down the economy of the entire nation.

    We already saw a run on Wall Street. We saw a run on Walmart. And it’s just a matter of time before we see a run on the banks. That’s the real reason they are closing branches, limiting their hours, and limiting your withdrawal amount.

    We already saw what happens to Walmart when people panic. Empty shelves. Hoarding causes scarcity and scarcity causes more hoarding. But that is just the beginning of the shortages. If you shut down 50% of our countries production, there will be massive shortages. Think massive starvation.

    If you shut down 50% production, you also are shutting down 50% distribution, which means shortages of 50% consumption.

    And the economy is so interconnected that one thing affects another until it’s not a ripple affect but a tsunami.

    So the food industry stays open. But what about the plastic factories that service them? Or the cardboard factories? The economy is all interconnected.

    Doctors can’t get to the hospital to save lives if their car breaks down, Uber was shut down, dealerships shut down, and mechanics shut down. Say the mechanics stay open but with everyone staying home, they go bankrupt anyways.

    More people would die from the coming global economic collapse than the people who would die from the virus itself.

    The cure is worse than the disease.

    And the CDC wanted to shut down the economy of the entire nation until July August the earliest??? Are you insane? There won’t be a nation at that point.

    You think small towns and small businesses can go 4-5 months without revenue. Businesses collapse after weeks of no revenue. 4-5 months and every business is bankrupt and every American unemployed. And that’s just America.

    Following our bad example, now UK and India shutdown their economies. We are taking billions of people unemployed for a virus that right now has only claimed 20,000 lives worldwide. The flu alone claims 250,000 lives every single year but we don’t collapse the economy and plunge the world into global depression.

    The economy is like a bicycle. Lots of moving parts. You need to keep it moving or it falls down. Go to slow and the ride is over. You can’t just pause the economy of a nation. This is reality. An economy is essential to a nation. An economy is not optional. You can’t just pause or stop an economy.

    Fauci is an expert on viruses not the economy. He even said he is not thinking of the economy and that overreacting to this virus is the right thing to do. Wrong.

    If you underreact you make the death toll higher than it needs to be. But if you overreact you cause global economic collapse and kill way more people.

    You want to properly react to this virus. And since 99.3% of those infected would recover, 99% of those dying have preexisting conditions, and the death rate is very low for people under 50, and that is just the date from the confirmed cases with our limited testing, it means that those most at risk should practice social distancing to avoid exposure and the young and healthy with the least risk should get back to work and keep the economy from collapsing.

    You can solve both the hospital crisis and the economic crisis at the same time. You don’t have to sacrifice the 1% for the 99% and you don’t have to sacrifice the 99% for the 1%. Trump is seeing both crisis and making plans accordingly.

    By letting certain regions at low risk and certain ages at low risk back to work, President Trump would be saving countless lives by avoiding a global economic collapse and global depression that would result if this went on for months like shortsighted overkill germaphobe Fauci wants.

    And when all the data finally comes in, and we confirm all the actual cases that include the majority that only had mild symptoms and nothing life threatening, it will show the mortality rate was actually really low, lower than we see now and lower than we first thought. I calculated it will be .1% given the 20,000 deaths right now, if the actual number of infected was 2,000,000. And .1% is the death rate of the flu.

    Imagine that. Causing a global economic collapse and global depression over a virus that in the final analysis has a very low mortality rate, similar to the flu.

    The CDC evidently did not think through the economic affects of their plan. They did not calculate the death toll a global depression would cause.

    We are in a recession right now and if the government keep the economy down, that’s a depression. But we can shift gears and avoid the catastrophe by President Trump changing course.

    To comfort and convince the public to go back to work, the CDC and White House needs to emphasis the actual known mortality rate, instead of the death toll. You can’t stop all deaths but the mortality rate will show that while this virus is highly contagious it is not highly deadly. Very few of those infected actually die. Collapsing the economy at this point makes no logical sense. It’s a bad plan and I’m glad Trump broke from Fauci on his stupid shortsighted 4-5 month shutdown. This isn’t a Hollywood movie. It’s real life with real consequences.

    They should have a business death toll and job death toll on the news like they do for the virus.

    Listening to Fauci and shutting down the economy will go down in history as President Donald Trumps biggest mistake.

    Again, The Federal Reserve estimated unemployment to hit 30%. The Secretary of the Treasury said unemployment will rise to 35%.

    Do you know the unemployment during the Great Depression? 24.9%

    But hey, that means that 75.1% had jobs, so the Great Depression wasn’t that bad, right? The economy is just money after all, right?

    So with a population of 331 million people in America, what’s the number of unemployed at 35%? Do the math. It’s 116 million people unemployed. This is astronomical.

    You know it took them ten years to finally come out of the Great Depression?

    And do you know what caused the Great Depression? A stock market crash and then a banking collapse.

    Businesses cannot handle months without revenue. They cannot even go weeks without revenue without bankruptcy. This shutdown needs to end in days. Days. Or else the economic problems will be too big for government to fix.


    But we can just pretend that people don’t need jobs, businesses don’t need customers, and banks don’t need interest payments, if that makes you feel better.

    Hey you wanna go play some video games? Let’s see what’s new on Netflix.

    Wake up America!
     
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    Yes, it's a god damned bloodbath.

    France is also up to 300 or so deaths per day, and seems to be getting worse.

    Italy up to basically 1000 deaths per day. Because USA is bigger, and as cases explode there and hospitals become overwhelmed, which they will, the situation has potential to get more out of hand than Italy, and it is almost a guarantee that USA very soon sees 1000 deaths+ per day, possibly 2000 or 3000 deaths per day. There will be riots in places like Detroit, NYC, New Orleans, and Chicago and I'm sure the Leftists will eventually push some sort of racism angle to incite the riots.

    Survival of the Fittest. The Western Nations experiencing the highest death tolls need to ask why that is taking place from an evolutionary perspective? Of course , that sort of honest conversation will never take place!
     
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    does any member here on this board personally know anyone who has contracted this wuhan virus?
     
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    I don't know anyone, and even though I live in a major metropolitan area, the number of people who have it is miniscule compared to the overall population. Yet the entire state (Pennsylvania) is indefinitely shut down, including many rural counties that don't have a single case.

    I read a lot about this or that celebrity or athlete or prominent person getting it, and various people in law enforcement and the medical professions -- but so what? Millions and millions of people get the flu every year. I've yet to read of a well known person getting it who is in serious condition.

    The current worldwide death toll is currently less than 28,000 -- or roughly 52,000 less than the number of people the average flu season kills just in the U.S. each year.
     
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    A co-worker I know tested positive today. He has had for 9 days. He is young and strong, he is recovering. His girlfriend 28, had it and is back to work as an RN. I met with him 9 days ago. He thought he had MERSA. I was conscious to keep my distance while I chit chatted with him. So far, I am good.
     
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    See my reply to Don.
     

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