beveren - the most repulsive club ever

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  1. frederic38

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    in 2001, a belgian club, KSK beveren, decided to import incredible numbers of african players, who came from the same city in ivory coast, and from the same club
    they ended up with 10-11 african players as titulars in every match
    the black-loving arsenal was involved also

    the club was used as a way to sell a big number of players from the ivorian training academy, to earn money when selling them to bigger clubs

    a translation of some of the most interestings parts of an interview from 2003 with the man responsible for all this nonsense, jean marc guillou, former french player, who owns a training academy in abidjan, ivory coast:

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    i think the tallest black guy in the picture is yaya touré, who plays in manchester city now
    http://www.afrik.com/article6858.html
    typical racilly biased nonsense, the only reason why a white player can be better is because he is older, while the african represents the uncut diamond :icon_rolleyes:

    when asked who is responsible for this, guillou answers:

    then the interviewer asks how it is possible to have so many players who are not from the european union, since it's suposed to be limited buy the bosman ruling, but nowadays there is no limit for african players because of the cotonou agreements so the question is not important anymore
    at the time of the interview, the cotonou agreements were recent, so it was uncertain that it would apply to soccer
    but in the end, it applied to soccer, so there is no limit for the number of african players in every european country



    guillou mentions that all the players from his training academy are very young, but it's a joke, because they are older than they pretend to be, like every african player
    and it's very unfair for the local players, because everyone says "the white player is better, but the black player is younger, so he has to play"
    for example gervinho comes from this club, and now plays for arsenal (ofcourse)
    i don't know if you heard about him, but he is suposed to be 24 right now :icon_rolleyes:

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    yeah, of course, 24 :icon_rolleyes:
    his ridiculous hairstyle is aimed at hiding the fact that he is bald
    i always saw him bald, even when he was suposed to be 20 years old

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    this is what the whole team looked like in 2005-2006:

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    similar contracts between european clubs and african training academies exist currently
    scandinavia has contracts with african academies, for example the one created by patrick vieira
    the same for clubs from the north of france
    clubs from the north of italy are associated with training academies in ghana

    if the young players fail at soccer, they even have contracts that allow them to study at a local business school,so they stay in the country even if they fail at soccer
     
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  2. Europe

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    This is such a disgrace. These players have no business being there. Of course, the idiotic fans don't even question it. I would never pay to watch this team.
     
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    can you imagine an european team with 11 white players all coming from the same city?
    or 23 white players from the same city?
    they had 23 blacks from the same city in the same team in 2005, and it was in europe...what a joke




    another example: patrick vieira's training academy, called "djambars" (that means "warriors")
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    some translation of the best parts of this article:
    http://www.coupfranc.fr/2011/05/30/diambars-patrick-vieira-en-visite-a-tromsø-norvege/
    patrick vieira says
    the academy created by vieira aims at developping african soccer
    they obviously do it at the expense of european soccer

    the article also mentions that 7 players from his academy play currently in france, and 2 are studying in amiens (north of france)


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    another article :
    http://www.coupfranc.fr/2010/06/01/norvege-molde-son-fjord-son-club-de-foot-et-ses-senegalais/

    "molde,it's fjords, it's football club, and their senegalese"
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    the article mentions the big number of senegalese players playing for the small club of molde
    they say the city has only 25 000 inhabitants, so the local club decided to look at "africa's infinite pool of players"
    amongst them, Mame Biram Diouf, who played 5 matches for manchester united
    also 2 other players named diouf, one unrelated to the first one, and the second is the brother of the manchested united former player
     
  4. Porthos

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    Beveren does not exist anymore. It was dissolved in 2010.
    Arsenal was almost expelled from the Champions League because of this scandal some years ago.
    Beveren's boss Guillou was a big friend of Arsenal's Arsene Wegner.

    See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/5037494.stm
    "Beveren was in desperate financial straits ... threw out most of its Belgian players and replaced them with unknowns from an academy in Ivory Coast, West Africa. Belgian police suspected ...mafia involvement."

    But it was not the mafia, it was Arsenal.
     
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    yes, and for example kolo touré played for arsenal when he came to europe, and his brother yaya touré for beveren
    now both play for manchester city :icon_rolleyes:
     
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    Not to mention Emmanuel Eboue, another Arsenal transfer from Beveren.
     
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    arsenal has been condemned for taking control of another club, but not for putting 23 ivorian players in the team :icon_rolleyes:
    the funny thing is that guillou always said arsenal was in control of the club, it was not a secret

    he said in 2003 in the interview i posted:
    that means :
    so he already admitted that arsenal was in control of the club, throught a company, the "company with no name" mentionned in the article you posted
    in my opinion beveren embarrassed the FIFA with so many ivorian players in the team, so they decided to condemn them, but for an obscure reason
    because FIFA is OK with african players coming to european clubs, but they don't want the public image of soccer to suffer
     
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    I remember this "Beveren" side...during the 2004/2005 UEFA Europa League season they eliminated a club from the Balkans - Levski Sofia - by an aggregate score of 2:1 (in the preliminary round, which took place in September 2004). The team included 10 Ivorians and a Belgian goalkeeper (Mark Volders). "Beveren" qualified for the group stage, but appeared to lack strong team unity (after the first leg in Sofia, which ended in a 1:1 tie, two of their players got into a physical fight with each other and had to be separated by teammates) and were not competitive against opponents like "Dinamo" Zagreb. The "Beveren" club was referred to as "ten little black men" by the support base of Levski Sofia's rivals (the Sofia club's loss was deemed a huge surprise).
    Marco Né and Romaric are other famous players who went on to play for bigger clubs in Europe after honing their skills with "Beveren".
     
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    thanks for the story, i never saw them play
    the bulgarian and the croatian suporters must have felt really embarassed to play this "belgian" team
    as for the surprising defeat from the bulgarian team, i may sound paranoid but when i hear the words "bulgrian club" , "surprise", and "europa league", i instantanely think about "fixed match"
     
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    You are welcome, they were actually a decent team and were well-organized, but obviously it must have been very difficult for the Belgian supporters to identify with such a squad.

    Yeah, I think that most fans were genuinely surprised by the composition of the opponents' team and some of them even joked that there could have been a mistake (with the wrong club making the trip to the Balkans/a random Ivorian side pretending to be from Belgium). Beveren actually started the first leg vs. Levski with 11 Ivorians, but their goalkeeper Boubacar Barry was injured in the early stages of the game and Volders came on as a substitute.

    I think that the games in question were not fixed, as the matches were relatively ill-tempered (there were a number of bookings) and most of the players gave their best (also, the coach Stoilov was quite inexperienced and quite a few of the Bulgarian footballers were not in top shape). However, you are absolutely right that games involving Balkan teams (especially in the less prestigious UEFA Europa League tournament) are often bound to be suspicious.


    Here's another odd story - the Cyprus football federation feels that it has to postpone the match in order to preserve a semblance of integrity when it comes to the game!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jan/21/cyprus-betting-postpones-match?newsfeed=true

     
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    2 former beveren players are having trouble in turkish league
    zokora has been racially abused by the turk emre:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17784555
    zokora didn't officially play for beveren but he was part of this fraud
    he started his career at guillou's african academy

    in the french media they say that a 2 matches ban is not enough for emre

    and a turkish suporter tried to attack emmanuel eboué, former arsenal and beveren player:

    [video=dailymotion;xq6qax]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq6qax_eboue-tout-proche-de-se-faire-agresser-en-plein-match_sport?from_fb_popup=1&code=AQADGoV8nn40DR08A RL3ARJJnOv98O-ubsUSPWdpQl7YgS8QO9mfszPBiLnfgKvs7emjC2tm_ftiqjCsJ JBeQKOk-kVOsO3LXkWKwoKDn7MF8ysu22yAuiudF1GGBlyhywji7m4gbDn 35aTXzTdUb_vm9DtUZp1-upYxPEMx0ynCS8Wm1CYGLUagTbLRJPsEis0&fbc=422[/video]

    ridiculous music :biggrin1:

    they can't figure out that if they are in such trouble, and everybody hate them, maybe it's because they are bad players?
    a lot of black brazilian players play for turkish clubs and they are not hated, some of them are legends for their club (for example alex from fenerbahce)
     
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    I am so sick of these black players crying that someone called them a name. Then they get someone a suspension. This is why I can't stand watching it much. Spain seems to have the fewest black players. which makes it the most watchable.
     
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    jean marc guillou, the man responsible for the flooding of african players from his "academy" in ivory coast to europe,is still at it

    what i will post here comes from an article in "france football" from the 03/08/2012:
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    the article was 3 pages long

    guillou has now several "academies" around the world, in algeria, morocco, mali, madagascar...
    he will now be in charge of a french team that plays 3rd division: paris FC (3rd club of paris after "red star" and ofcourse paris saint germain)
    he will do the same than he did in beveren: flood the club with african players from his academies
    next season, there will be 9 players from his academies in the team

    interestingly, the coach will be jean marc guillou's nephew (he also has a brother who is in charge of one of his academies in africa
    he will try to take the club to the first division in the future, but the most important for him will be to use the club as a way to show his players to the other clubs (he will get 80% of the money the club will make when selling one of his players - he wasn't compared to a slave owner in belgium for no reason)

    they also say in the article that guillou was condemned to 5 years in prison in ivory coast, so he isn't welcome there anymore

    then guillou mentions that a lot of players that he trained at his academy played in big clubs, to answer the ones that called him a modern-day slave-owner....what a joke! some of his players played for arsenal because arsenal invested money in his academy, that's the only reason!

    the only player that has really been succeessful is yaya toure, but he plays as a defensive middlefielder...and you know what it means - that he is just a token black defensive middlefielder: http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...n-talent-trawl?p=253183&viewfull=1#post253183 (it was especially true when he played at barcelona)
    what a great achievement for an academy that his owner compares to barcelona! in barcelona they train skilled players, and guillou likes to believe that he trains skilled players too (he says it in the article, his players play in a similar way to barcelona, relying mostly on skill), but actually the big european club don't care about his "skilled" blacks because they can have much more skilled european and south american players, so they just buy the physical ones and use them as defensive middlefielders (the token black player position) or fullback (another token black player position)
    however, you can see that he has a different approach because most of the players that guillou trained are relatively skilled when you compare them with the black bodybuilders that the european clubs buy
    you can tell it by noticing that yaya touré, althought playing in a defensive middlefielder position, is pretty skilled for a defensive middlefielder - his best position is probably play-maker or offensive middlefielder
     
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    there is also this academy in ghana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feyenoord_Ghana
    which is close to guillou's academy (they are affiliated)

    on the wikipedia page you have some of the players from this academy that made it to professional football, most of them in holland
     
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    interesting news from paris FC, the club in which guillou is involved, the new beveren
    the results since he brought many foreign players from his academies are very bad
    the club has 12 non-black players out of 28, this means that their club is 60% black (the 12 players are mostly arabs anyways)
    after 10 matches, paris FC had only 1 victory, and they were in a bad position: they will be fighting relagation this season instead of trying to be promoted to 2nd division

    guillou's son, who was the coach of the team (obvious nepotism since he had no coaching experience) has been fired by the owners of the club, so i guess that guillou is less involved in the club now

    so this has been a huge failure :icon_lol:
     

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