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  1. Don Wassall

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    Did you know that "genetic freak" Sehorn played safety at USC, not cornerback, and was a backup safety and special teams player his first two seasons with the Giants? This is how even White "genetic freaks" are routinely treated. It was only in his third season in the NFL that Sehorn was moved to cornerback, and likely then only because the Giants went through a welcome but unfortunately short-lived phase in the mid to late 1990s where they challenged entrenched Caste System stereotypes, as besides moving Sehorn to corner, they "shockingly" drafted Sean Bennett in the fourth round as a tailback (Bennett otherwise wouldn't have been drafted), and drafted WR Joe Jurevicius in the second round.

    Sehorn wasn't a "genetic freak" so much as he was the extremely rare White athlete given a chance to play cornerback, and he excelled when given the opportunity. Cornerback play in the NFL is generally putrid; the few good ones like Revis are far better than most blacks playing the position. The idea that generations can pass without a single White football player being able to compete at cornerback in the NFL is so irrational as to defy belief not to mention common sense, yet 99% of White football fans believe this lie, so well indoctrinated are they in the extremist and demonstrably false cult of black athletic supremacy.
     
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  2. FootballDad

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    As has been mentioned on this site before, the NFL and most D1 college programs are effectively saying that the BEST white CB is not as good as the lowliest black scrub CB who is being burned every other play. Our local HS has a white "shutdown" corner who has blanked many heavily-recruited black receivers who play 5a and 6a ball in the Kansas City area, but he will not be playing D1 because of his lack of melanin.
     
  3. formerwhitecornerback

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    I will say that all of you on here are very hardcore and know your stuff about football(which is great, and makes this a informative website!). I disagree that Sehorn is not unusual, and he is not a rare athlete(most of you seem to disagree with this, which is mind boggling to me...I'm NOT talking about people like Woodhead, Welker, etc)-- WHITE OR BLACK! Also, I feel that playing/coaching in college and especially professionally gives you first hand experience to make a sound opinion, which I feel that I have.

    I played three major sports in high school.. 1) Football 2) Basketball 3) Baseball. I was 6"0 180-185lbs. I will say it again, that I played at high levels and at a very populated area of the country in the East Bay Area(and only encountered ONE white athlete who was on my par, which I discus below)...

    His name was Chris Walsh(and a three sport star and went on to Stanford and played with Minnesota in the NFL), BUT, he wasn't that athletic. I played againist him(football and basketball, btw, his verticle defianlty wasn't very good), so I have a good barometer. He ran a 4.6 and I could easily cover him in high school and the guy was ****y as heck! hated him... Back to my point about someone like Sehorn.... I have met Sehorn- he was easily 2 inches taller than me and had some very good size to him(defiantly legit 215-220). How is this guy not a genetic freak!? I know...I know...there are all kinds of Seahorn's out there who don't get chances(and are 6'3 220 who can run a 4.30 AND can play corner/safety! come on)...

    Ever hear of De La Salle in Concord, California? well, I didn't play there, but my younger brother did(he played with Ammani Toomer, etc and won a national title). I have folllowed them since the early 90s...they have had maybe 10(could be slightly higher/lower) good white athletic players(ones that can run a 4.5 or better, that went on to play college ball, and a few that made the league)...THAT'S IT! and the team is mostly white! that's not a great ratio for a team that almost always is rated in the top 10 in the country and has the all time high school win streak. And no,(some of you would love this hard working/disaplined white team, I do!) player's are not getting screwed by the recruting services because I have watched many games, and the white guys were never speedsters--besides a few exceptions!


    It seems all of you think that there are TONS of fast white(Skill) guys who get screwed over...MAYBE, like some have pointed out, that a lot of white's don't even play football, and could be super speedsters if they did, but that's another discussion... I'm sure I will have many people again disagreeing with me, that's fine. I can't wait to read the responses! :) But, again if you haven't played or coached, I don't think you have a good argument with me. Of course none of you think that it matters(playing), but it really does...

    PS... this is all in good fun. Having whites play or not in college or the NFL doesn't effect me one bit. Just entertainment. Sometimes people(me included) get WAY to caught up in sports. Its a problem, and I'm guility of it sometimes. This is a good board! I usually never post on message boards, and am enjoying the banter! I just disagree with some of you is all. No biggie. I'm sure some of you are very nice, intelligent people that I would enjoy hanging out with. I Would love to see some former white speedsters that played professionally come on here and chime in,btw!
     
  4. formerwhitecornerback

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    dwid...thank you!

    I just went back and read the rest of the posts(I posted my last message without reading all responses). This is my main point, which you get. Sehorn WAS unusual because of his size. That's it.
     
  5. formerwhitecornerback

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    football dad...

    Does your son play high school ball? is he fast?

    Admin, I agree that its ridiculous their are no whites playing corner in the NFL or college( 1A, that I'm aware of). Its maddening. There definalty are MANY whites that play reciever that could play the position. I feel there definatly is a reverse discrimination going on and I welcome the day that I see a white guy playing corner who shuts down a big time black guy!! I know I would watch every game he played in. But, where I disagree with some of you is that there are a lot of fast athletic white guys playing in high school, college, NFL, etc....OF COURSE there are a lot of good white athlete's who get screwed over by the Caste system, but there just are not tons of fast athletic white players that play american football(maybe they are in other sports like soccer and Lacrosse).

    I asked this on another thread, are their any white 1A or even 1AA corner's?? I would like to follow them if there are. I remember a few years ago when Colorado St(brother was recrutied by them, btw) had THREE white guys playing DB for them. I was shocked the first time I saw this on tv. You better believe I started following this team-- being a ex fast(would kill myself if I tried to run a 40 now! hehe) white guy I can defiantly sympathesize with the discrimination going on!
     
  6. Jimmy Chitwood

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    i disagree with a lot of what you insist is true, because on this website i've posted about abundant White defensive backs who measure up to (or physically surpass) their black counterparts. ergo, they defy your claims by their very existence. three that quickly come to mind are all from BYU. Nate Soelberg was the fastest defensive back in the country (as well as a standout sprinter in college) in his draft class, and he was known as a physical tackler (and was even the required special teams demon). yet, he didn't even get a shot in an NFL training camp. Brandon Heaney ran an electronic 4.3 in the 40 at BYU's Pro Day the year of his draft eligibility, was all-everything as far as collegiate honors go, and yet he didn't get a try either. Ben Criddle was a sub-4.5 corner at 6-feet. he was known as a big-hitter, despite being an elite cover corner. he, also, received numerous accolades for his play. yet he got nothing from the League, either. Criddle and Heaney are regarded as possibly the best cover men in BYU history ... yet nothing.

    i'd re-post more of them, but you've neglected to "have the time" to read what has been suggested to you by other posters, so why should i bother ...

    at any rate, the only White corner currently starting in Division One that i'm aware of is Boston College's sophomore, Sean Sylvia. despite being on the same field as outstanding linebacker Nick Clancy (93 total tackles already), Sylvia is likely the Eagles' best defensive player.

    there are several starting in the FCS.
     
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  7. jaxvid

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    I have a couple of questions. So Sehorn was a genetic freak that no other White man will ever match. Ok. Did Sehorn have "loose hips"? If yes, why is he the only White guy who had them? If no, how was he so good?

    This loose hips stuff you mention, even saying that you your self lacked, is it a race thing? Can only blacks have it? If so at what point of racial dilution does it disappear? I see lots of mixed race cornerbacks so I guess the loose hips gene can be passed on. How White does one have to be before that is no longer the case?

    Also why do you think the loose hips can not be measured and can only be determined by coaches, scouts, and guys like you that played at a high level? How is it such an important thing is not measurable. You have already said that cone and shuttle drill do not measure for loose hips-ness, because obviously since White players do very well at it then it cannot be due to loose hippyness.

    Since your football career was effected by the simple fact that you were not descended from a native african and thus did not have the necessary swivel hippyness to succeed, even though you were fast, could jump, worked hard, etc. did it ever occur to you to try and improve your hippyness by some sort of drill or practice (breakdancing perhaps--another activity White men cannot do).
     
  8. formerwhitecornerback

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    jaxvid...

    good questions....The turning of the hips in off man coverage or some other zone coverage was always difficult for me. I falsed stepped. Yes, I corrected it, but in college we had very simple coverages(our DB coach was Craig Bray, who I believe is the DCord for Arizona St now) and he kind of gave up on a lot of deeper zone coverages where a lot of backpeddling was involved and turning the hips. In high school and JC the coaches just had no clue and I never learned how to properly backpeddle and turn the hips without false stepping until 4 yr college. So, we played a lot of basic Cover 0, 1 and 3 from a bump position(coaches decision which the players all liked). Not seen nowadays with the spread sets, etc...Also, no I don't think "loose" hips are a race thing. White guys have loose hips and so do blacks. I didn't, so maybe it is/was a touchy subject for me.
     
  9. formerwhitecornerback

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    jimmy Chitwood...

    One question....did you play or have you played DB in college or pro? just a question, nothing more. I willl be back tommorrow night(no smart phone) to respond to more posts and topics! goodnight!
     
  10. sport historian

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    Thank you for posting. I've never played, but per my name am a serious student of sports history, especially football which I have observed since 1958.

    I generally agree with much of what you say. Sometimes the members don't like my posts either as I try to be objective, something some folks don't want to hear.

    Your take on Sehorn (white athletes like Welker certainly are common) is interesting. Sehorn had a very good year in 1997. In a meaningless preseason game in 1998, he tore up a knee returning a kickoff of all things and missed the entire season.

    Sehorn came back in 1999 weighing 228 and not really the same as in 1997.

    The position whites are really shut out of is running back. There were quite a few white runners on playoff teams in the 1970's and this was a time when white cornerbacks had almost vanished.
     
  11. Awake in America

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    Just a quick point about "loose hips"

    Judging from the crappy play of most corners in the NFL, I would say that black players also lack loose hips. Loose hips and hip swivel seem to exist only at draft time. :D

    The dance goes something like this: Take a standout white corner or running back at the high school level. He's plenty fast, good vertical (the relevance for football is lost on me, but whatever), good stats, etc... Let's say he's 5'9". A college recruiter will immediately pass him over. Why? He's too short to roid into a fullback or safety. Let's say he's 6'1". Perfect! We can roid him up into a fullback/safety. 5'11"? Ask him to come on as a "preferred walkon", we need special teams players. The idea of him playing his natural position never enters the picture. "Loose hips" or the ability to turn and run is much easier for shorter players. Tim Jennings (for example) is considered a solid NFL corner, and I would be shocked if he's over 5'7". I've met him, he's tiny. No way a white player who is 5'7" gets a look (maybe at Chadron State), even if he has the loosest hips this side of a bordello.

    Despite the blatant biases across the board, I can put together an all-white lineup of NFL players that would be pretty amazing, but for corner. That doesn't make sense. Every white standout at a caste position is not a genetic freak. There are no genetic freaks.
     
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  12. FootballDad

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    Yes, he plays RB as a sophomore, runs a 5.58 40 (in tennis shoes, he forgot his track cleats) and a 4.12 short shuttle, which is better than most NFL combine players. We are going to do speed work this offseason to get him into the low 4.4's.
     
  13. Liverlips

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    I never played football but have a serious questions as to "loose hips."

    Soccer seems to have some of the same movements needed for cornerbacks. So why did all white teams like Italy and Spain win the last two world cups?

    Shouldn't all-black African sides be dominating soccer?

    Moreover, why do all-white high school football teams tend to win state championships - often over all-black schools?
     
  14. Wes Woodhead

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    This whole "hip structure" nonsense is just silly as heck. Over 80 percent of Highschool football players are white in America. Many high schools dont even have a black on the team. So obviously they have to use white cornerbacks. Many of these kids are excellent, and many of these all white teams win routinely. Its the caste system, and ONLY the caste system that explains the lack of white cornerbacks. Furthermore, as has been mentioned before, but cant be overstated, the play of cornerback in the NFL is horrible nowadays.
     
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    What is your name and where did you play? If you want to present yourself as having more knowledge because you experienced playing as a DB in college and know all about the mythical "loose hips" that happens to be just a black thing then you should reveal that information, and prove it.
     
  16. 'sup bro?

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    oh the humanity! whites cheering and wanting to see the success of others that share their heritage.

    please show us the way! please!:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:
     
  17. Liverlips

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    I know ... I mean look at all the blacks who love watching hockey ...
     
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    Steve Sailer wrote an interesting blog post about Territorialism Versus Tribalism in pro sports fandom. While it's worth a read, the title is rich enough to spark discussion on its own. Why should I support a roster of foreigners on my local squad? I share no commonality with those people. Perhaps the lofty ambition of the cosmopolitanism mantra is that I will cheer for the aesthetic beauty of the sport itself. Then, my team can discard all its players at the end of the season and import a fresh batch of interchangeable superstars whenever that becomes economically viable.

    Your local sports team used to have a surplus of overlap with its fan base. Not only would the team be comprised of local area athletes, but they all looked like us, too! Multiculturalism, dressed up in some libertarian veil, has relegated professional sports to our present-day free-for-all, where mercenary athletes bounce around between teams. Boy, I hate that one player, but wouldn't it be great if he played for our team?

    For quite some time, I donned a cap with my state's initials and watched the franchise trot out some medley of blacks and mestizos, taking for granted that those players gave us the best chance to win. There was never a catharsis for me - I did not suddenly wake up and become a sour racist. Rather, I gradually refined my taste for what seems pleasant, comfortable, and correct. In sports, that's rooting for white players.

    Imagine a world of absolute rules, where blacks are the best football players, mexicans are the best baseball players, and collegiate sports scholarships are only available to non-white minorities. Why, then, would I ever tune in to some game of any sort? Without a rooting interest, sports immediately become a frivolity. Territorialism is simply not a sustainable pique.
     
  19. white defensive back

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    I agree that there are a ton of white guys that are athletic freaks but some of them are just not good football players. Look aty Cody Searcy. The kid is an athletic god but he ran poor routes and dropped a lot of passes in college and in pre-season camp.
    I recall Phill Steeles College magazine about 8 years ago listing 4 BYU players with 4.3 speed. Two were corners ( Nate Soelberg and Brandon Heany and 2 were wide receivers in Nathan Travis and Cody Fonnesbeck. I beleive at one point Fonnesbeck ran a 10.31 100 meters yet he was small and just was not a natural receiver.
    I would rather have a 4.5 white guy that can tackle and catch than a 4.4 black guy who generally is a prima dona and can't catch or tackle.
     
  20. Wes Woodhead

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    Nate Soelberg, and Brandon Heany should be starting corners in the NFL right now.
     
  21. formerwhitecornerback

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    obviously most on here are not going to agree with me in terms of white(skill)athletes. MOST on here seem to think 4.4- 40 inch vertical white guys grow off tress! AGAIN, I AM A WHITE GUY! I DON"T DISLIKE WHITE PEOPLE... I WANT THEIR TO BE WHITE SKIILL PLAYERS IN THE NFL/COLLEGE!!! But, their are not as many athletic white SKILL players who are 4.5 speedsters as you all think their are(again, maybe they aren't playing football at a young age, due to the caste system.. this is very plausable!). I ask if people played at the college or pro level because obviously that gives you first hand experience, and you can see for yourself what really is going on.

    Btw, my name is Greg and I'm not putting my last name on a internet web site. Sorry. I played JC for 2 years and at Idaho for 1 1/2 till I was forced to quit due to personal issues. If someone on here says they have played the game(and are fast, because my points are about athletic skill white players, not lineman, qbs, etc) then I will listen to your arguments a little more. I figure I will be getting banned anyway pretty soon. Because I'm defiantly not the norm for this web site and don't agree with everything on here, and it seems people that disagree are frowned upon. I wish I was in contact with some ex- white athletes, would LOVE to hear some of their opinions on things on this web site. I am going to try to recruit one or two though. I do know Doug Nussmeier(Offensive coordinator at Alabama, but he is sort of busy).
     
  22. sport historian

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    Thanks for your input. A lot of the posters on this Forum are inclined to wishful thinking.
     
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    there's enough of those very athletic white players coming through the cracks in the system, not only with great physical measurables but also proven winners at collegiate level that i fully believe in the caste system purposely keeping many of them down. i understand that we can sometimes overhype players here, but not to this extent and surely not all of them. look at some very successful college runningbacks... i don't even have to name them, the proof is in the pudding.
     
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    Matt Jones is an example of how white players are kept down.

    Jones was a tremendous athlete who was a proven success at WR in the NFL.

    He made a mistake and that mistake was used to end his career. Blacks who make similar mistakes get endless second chances.
     
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    What years?
     

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