A toast to Tiki Barber

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I would like to give an ode to my favourite black player to ever play professional football, or professional sports for that matter. Why? because he was a selfless team first player and caste-buster. I will explain what I mean by caste-buster later.

If you want to find a "caste-busting" black, team player look no farther than Tiki Barber. You see in the Cadillac commercial about how grateful he felt to get a chance as NY's starting RB and how he worked his tail off to seize the opportunity. He never complained about undeservedly being a backup for his first few years in the league despite being a 2nd round pick and having a brother already starring for the Bucs.

Barber was a late bloomer not getting his chance to shine until his 4th season. Barber also never complained how "inferior" rookie Ron Dayne was still taking many carries away from him when he did get a chance in the 2000 season. Most black second round RBs would have been quickly inserted into the lineup, with the team dealing with their "growing pains." Especially when the Giants roster had less than stellar RBs ahead of him such as Joe Montgomery, and Brown (He isn't even impressive enough for me to remember his first name). I receive the Giant newsletter "Giant Insider" and I will explain how he is a "caste-buster."

In training camp before the 2001 season Barber was asked about the "oft-injured" backup RB Sean Bennett by GiantInsider. The Giants were calling him "the secret weapon." He stated something like this. "The guy clearly has the talent to help this team, great speed and size, getting him on the field will only help us this season."

What makes this even more surprising was that Barber had just become the full time starter in the season before which was Dayne's rookie season of 2000. And "Big Butt" Dayne had already taken lots of carries from him in his first year. Barber retaining his starting job wasn't full-proof at this point. Dayne hadn't shown much in his rookie season, but being the 11th? overall pick in the 2000 draft, he was destined to get another opportunity to surpass Barber. Thunder and lightning could quickly become just "thunder" if Tiki was outperformed. Barber was good friends with Sean Bennett and Greg Commella a Fullback, and to a lesser extent Dayne and the rest of the Giants RBs. Barber often did training with Commella and Bennett running up hills.

Dayne was too lazy to join in this training comraderie. Bennett was cut the next season, which I thought was pre-mature (if he was black he would have gotten another season, or two, or three), however he was constantly injured.

Then at the end of his career before last season Barber originally commented on how he wanted Brandon Jacobs to spell him more than the previous season. Barber was clearly feeling overworked under Coughlin. Barber was always more concerned with winning than personal goals. He is one of the most charitable players in the league according to what I have read in Giants insider and never took for granted his stardom.

I did think his comments to the media about Coughlin overworking players being a "big factor in his retirement" were unnecessary, but many have commented on Coughlin's grueling military style including Shockey more than once. I recall Barber was a big fan of Jim Fossil and the change to Coughlin, was probably like night and day to the Giant veterans. Barber was not among one of the three "respected" Giant's veterans that had complained to the Player's association about Coughlin. Barber is a member of the media now and will be asked to give his opinion constantly so I don't really fault him for it. He certainly isn't a loose cannon.

Overall, I think Barber is one of the biggest team players to ever play in the NFL, which is why I have always been a big fan. How many black starting RB's do you think would have taken the chance to be cynical or put down the "oft-injured, backup white RB Bennett" (from Northwestern of all places.) A lot of them likely. Barber's friendship with Bennett, and his belief in the truth were more important to him than building himself up by putting down Bennett. By the way Bennett wasn't "super" fast NFLdraftscout.com had his speed listed as 4.6 which is only good for a RB of Bennett's size. (I am going to re-check this) Bennett was also undoubtedly competing with Barber for playing time. I would think that most of the black RB's who wouldn't say something negative about Bennett in Barbers situation, would have likely at least felt negative toward him.

This is what makes Barber one of the most open minded black athletes toward white players. Barber will be missed amongst Giants fans for his "team first mentality and excellent play." Hopefully the guy will coach one day, as I think he would be a Mike Martz or Dungy type coach and be "relatively fair" to white players, or as fair as he could be with the current situation in the NFL. So as it is something I rarely do, I give a toast to a black player, My favourite NY Giant Tiki Barber!

P.S: Fitting that he went out on top to pursue other endeavors. Doing so he is passing the torch to talented Auburn castoff Brandon Jacobs, who Barber holds in high regard. I only wish Tre Smith would have been smart enough to realize he was a castoff at Auburn too. Tre is better than Jacobs IMO.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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Barber is a Christian, he obviously has similar values to white middle class people. Black football players that generally hangout with white players either grew up in the burbs or are Christians. The ghetto banger types, would rarely hangout with white players unless the guy was an Eminem type....
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Have always liked Tiki. A well spoken class act. I believe there is a similar thread in happy hour about Tiki.
 

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I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but Tiki is seething with racial animosity toward whites.

Have you guys seen his stance on growing up in a white area? He states that "he wanted to prove that he could be smarter than whites intellectually as well as take his rightful place as their athletic superior."(hint: only a brother could do both)

Hey, I agree he can , at times, demonstrate a level of humility and decency that we respect in our own , but scratch the surface and he would be the first to have the typical violent brother aggression if you didn't accept him as the civil, righteous, strong black man that he IS.

Hey, maybe he is a good guy and I am reading him wrong, but he still plays the race card when given the chance.

He gets put in the smilin' Negro category that the media just loves to shove down our throats.

On the bright side, he married an asian woman at least
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Me neither. When did he say that? Prove it and I am off his bandwagon, so to speak.
 

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Tiki does actually have a very high IQ, it was mentioned in Giants Insider, it was close to 200. I don't remember precisely what it was. If he said that he wanted to achieve more academically than whites, I think it was only because most expect very little from black athletes academically. He went to UVA, which is a very good state institution. He may have some disdain for the fact that whites make up most of the Harvard Academia elite, but from everything I've read about him, he has no animosity toward white athletes. If he did does than I am certainly no longer a fan!Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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I think some on this site don't ever want to believe that there are good and charitable black men that aren't reverse racists. I personally have disdain for a lot of black inner-city culture, especially hip-hop. However most suburban black people that I have met I have found to be reasonable people. There are good black men out there too.

Two other cases are of Native African athletes:
Manute Bole bankrupted himself sending all his money in support of his people being killed in the Sudan. He is now living off the NBA players pension. Diekembe Mutumbo was always very charitable and it wasn't only toward black charities. He stated it was because he didn't deserve all he had because he knows what it is like to come from nothing. I would most certainly rather live next to David Robinson or Tiki than Mark Gastinou or Barrett Robbins.
 

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In defense of Voice, I did hear something like that being quoted by an ESPN biography show on Tiki Barber. Not sure if it was straight from Tiki's mouth or an embellishment by ESPN. Neither would surprise me. Even well-educated and well-behaved blacks tend to be incredibly loyal to their race. Us glorifying Tiki Barber for simply for acting like nearly every white athlete does is telling. I'm sure blackathlete.com doesn't spend time writing about what a wonderful person Peyton Manning is. All the same I do wish more blacks acting like Tiki, but even more so I wish more whites who already act like Tiki would get a chance to take his place.
 

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Kaptain Poop said:
All the same I do wish more blacks acting like Tiki, but even more so I wish more whites who already act like Tiki would get a chance to take his place.


I agree 100%!
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Kaptain Poop said:
In defense of Voice, I did hear something like that being quoted by an ESPN biography show on Tiki Barber. Not sure if it was straight from Tiki's mouth or an embellishment by ESPN. Neither would surprise me. Even well-educated and well-behaved blacks tend to be incredibly loyal to their race. Us glorifying Tiki Barber for simply for acting like nearly every white athlete does is telling. I'm sure blackathlete.com doesn't spend time writing about what a wonderful person Peyton Manning is. All the same I do wish more blacks acting like Tiki, but even more so I wish more whites who already act like Tiki would get a chance to take his place.

Thanks Kaptain Poop, my sentiments exactly....
 

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ToughJ.Riggins said:
Tiki does actually have a very high IQ, it was mentioned in Giants Insider, it was close to 200.


Come on now Riggins! You're trying too hard. Close to 100 is more likely.
 

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Tiki is a well-spoken and intelligent individual. If the NFL had more Tiki Barber type players, the league would be entirely different.
 

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he's not insulting anyone he's just pointing out the truth...an iq of near 200 means you are one of the smartest handful of people on earth..tiki is smart but he is nowhere near that smart..hes probly anywhere between 110-130 from the stuff ive heard which is still damn good
 

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Tiki's is very smart and does have a very high IQ but I doubt the 200 figure. Nobody with a IQ of 200 would be dumb enough to play professional football
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. He would be inventing a time travel device, or creating Jurassic Park or something.
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ToughJ.Riggins said:
I would like to give an ode to my favourite black player to ever play professional football, or professional sports for that matter. Why? because he was a selfless team first player and caste-buster.

Don't forget, Tiki is articulate, too - just like Barack Obama.
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Is this an attempt to point out that 'not all blacks are the same?'

Who's your favorite white player? And why?
 

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Not picking on you Riggins. You are one of my favorite posters here at CF. I just can't beleive the 200 IQ thing for Tiki or almost anybody else for that matter.
 

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I find this thread to be symptomatic of the guilt-ridden, fawning over blacks and pandering to themthat characterizes the mindset of so many whites, as well as illustrates the double standards and hypocrisy that characterizes race relations in the U.S.


It's only a matter of degrees to go from a "toast to Tiki Barber" to this pathetically repulsivequote by Sports Illustratedwriter Karl TaroGreenfeld about Barber:


"In profile, against the orange sun setting into the smog over the industrial badlands of northern New Jersey, Barber's facial structure is so defined that you imagine you know what he will look like in a thousand years, long after the flesh has decomposed and he is only bone. His face is all sharp angles and perfect planes. His broad smile bares gleaming white, evenly arrayed teeth, an extra helping of perfection after the symmetry of his features."


Read the article in the current Sports Illustrated about Chris Drury if you want tolearn about a man with great character, an amazingly successful athlete and leader ever since leading his Little League teamto the championship in a huge upset over Taiwan in1989 as a 13-year-old. Isn't the point of this site to "toast" deserving white athletes rather than go all googly-eyed over a black athlete who if he was white would beinseparable fromthe great majority of white athletes when it comes to how he conducts himself off the field?


It's like that line from one of Chris Rock's HBO specials about blacks proudly telling him things like how they're taking care of their kid or how they have a job. "That's what the f--- you're supposed to be doin'! What do you want, a medal!!"


Here's to Tiki Barber. We toast you for not speaking Ebonics and for not being an *******.
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Don Wassall said:
Isn't the point of this site to "toast" deserving white athletes rather than go all googly-eyed over a black athlete who if he was white would be inseparable from the great majority of white athletes when it comes to how he conducts himself off the field?

It's like that line from one of Chris Rock's HBO specials about blacks proudly telling him things like how they're taking care of their kid or how they have a job. "That's what the f--- you're supposed to be doin'! What do you want, a medal!!"

Here's to Tiki Barber. We toast you for not speaking Ebonics and for not being an *******.

My sentiments exactly.

Thanks, Don.
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What white athlete do blacks toast?





Actually, a lot. I see plenty of blacks wearing Unitas, Bird, Manning, Urlacher, and Nash jerseys.
 

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spotle1 said:
C Darwin said:
What white athlete do blacks toast?





Actually, a lot. I see plenty of blacks wearing Unitas, Bird, Manning, Urlacher, and Nash jerseys.

Maybe they're gang colors.
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