A Look at the '09-'10 NBA by the Numbers

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  1. ToughJ.Riggins

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    A Look at the NBA for the '09-'10 Season:

    I have created a grading scale (as related to fairness to white ballers). This is how the grading criteria is derived:
    We are approximately a 75% white country. Teams carry 13-15 roster players. Despite the fact that basketball is HUGE in the black community and in inner city school yards in America, a team won't meet the satisfactory grade unless right around half the listed roster and half the playing time goes to white players. Basketball is also huge in parts of Europe- and there should be more of an influx of white players with the talent pool over there as well. This is especially so, with how well Spain and Argentina have done against the U.S in international play. Many American whites still practice hardcore for their dream of making it in the NBA. Basketball is by no means a "black thing"Â￾- despite attempts to make white ballers feel inferior by the media. If fair- the majority of the teams in the NBA would grade out to 14 points or more, with of course some variation in points from team to team.

    Grading will be derived as follows:
    3 points for each white starter.
    2 points for each white 2nd team player.
    1 point for each white 3rd team player.

    Satisfactory Grade (C and up): 14 points or more.
    C-: 12-13 points
    D+: 10-11 points
    D: 7-9 points
    D-: 5-6 points
    F=Fully frekin racist: 0-4 points

    Atlanta Hawks:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 1- C Zaza Pachulia
    White 3rd team: 0
    2 pts.:Grade: F (for fully frekin racist)

    Boston "Celtics"Â￾:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 0
    White 3rd Team: 1- PF Brian Scalabrine
    1 pt.: Grade: F (fully frekin racist; the "Celtics"Â￾ have a lot of black star power, but refuse to acknowledge there is a lot of white star power out there as well)

    Charlotte Bobcats:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 1- SF Vladimir Radmanovic
    White 3rd Team: 0
    2 pts.: Grade: F (fully frekin racist)

    Chicago Bulls:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 2- PG Kirk Hinrich, C Brad Miller
    White 3rd Team: 1- C Aaron Gray
    5 pts.: Grade: D-

    Cleveland Cavaliers:
    White Starters: 1- PF Anderson Varejao (looks like a mostly white Brazilian to me)
    White 2nd Team: 1- C Zydrunas Ilgauskas
    White 3rd Team: 1- SG Coby Karl
    6 pts.: Grade: D-

    Dallas Mavericks:
    White Starters: 1- PF Dirk Nowitzki
    White 2nd Team: 1- PG Jose Juan Barea
    White 3rd Team: 2- SG Matt Carroll, PF Kris Humphries (Might be 1/4 black, but looks white enough to be labeled white by the caste system)
    7 pts.: Grade: D

    Denver Nuggets:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 1- PF/C Chris "Birdman"Â￾ Anderson
    White 3rd Team: 0
    2 pts.: Grade: F (fully frekin racist)

    Detroit Pistons:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 1- SF Jonas Jerebko
    White 3rd Team: 0
    2 pts.: Grade: F (fully frekin racist)

    Golden State Warriors:
    White Starters: 1- C Andris Biedrins
    White 2nd Team: 0
    White 3rd Team: 0
    3 pts.: Grade: F (fully frekin racist)

    Houston Rockets:
    White Starters: 1- PF Luis Scola
    White 2nd Team: 2- SG/SF Chase Budinger, C David Anderson
    White 3rd Team: 0
    7 pts.: Grade: D (they also score points with me for having all star Chinese center Yao Ming. Asians are victims of the caste system as well. Unfortunately, Yao is out with a chronic foot injury indefinitely this year)

    Indiana Pacers:
    White Starters: 3- SG/SF Mike Dunleavy (will back up Granger at SF, but will get a lot of time at SG while they groom Brandon Rush- whose still a bit raw going into his 2nd NBA season. I'm not worried about Dahntay Jones at SG, he's never been more than an average journeyman at best. Dunleavy should see close to 30 minutes a game, so he's basically a starter) PF Troy Murphy, C Jeff Foster
    White 2nd Team: 1- PF Josh McRoberts
    White 3rd Team: 2- PG Travis Diener, PF Tyler Hansbrough (should earn more time- as he should improve quickly as a rookie with the skills he brings to the table)
    13 pts.: C- (And the DWFs and media are laughing about the Pacers being a "white haven"Â￾ for a team that earns a C- for fairness to whites.

    Los Angeles Clippers:
    White Starters: 1- C Chris Kaman
    White 2nd Team: 0
    White 3rd Team: 1- SF Steve Novak
    4 pts.: Grade: F (fully frekin racist)

    Los Angeles Lakers:
    White Starters: 1- PF Pau Gasol
    White 2nd Team: 2- SG Sasha Vujacic, SF Luke Walton (Jordan Farmer looks as much as 1/2 black and is considered black by the caste system.)
    White 3rd Team: 2- SG/SF Tony Gaffney, SF Adam Morrison
    9 pts.: Grade: D

    Memphis Grizzlies:
    White Starters: 1- C Marc Gasol
    White 2nd Team: 1- SG Marco Jaric
    White 3rd Team: 0 (although Iranian center Hamed Haddadi looks to have a mix of Aryan (Azeri), Persian and Mongoloid features and doesn't benefit from the caste system)
    5 pts.: Grade: D-

    Miami Heat:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 1- PG Chris Quinn
    White 3rd Team: 2- PG Carlos Arroyo, PF Shavlik Randolph
    4 pts.: Grade: F (fully frekin racist)

    Milwaukee Bucks:
    White Starters: 1- C Andrew Bogut
    White 2nd Team: 3- PG Luke Ridnour, SG/SF Carlos Delfino, PF Joe Alexander (Alexander is nursing a hamstring injury. His minutes will slowly be increased when he returns)
    White 3rd Team: 2- PG Roko Ukic, SF Ersan Ilyasova
    11 pts.: Grade: D+

    Minnesota Timberwolves:
    White Starters: 1- PF Kevin Love (recovering from a broken left hand)
    White 2nd Team: 2- SG Sasha Pavlovic, SF/PF Oleksiy Pecherov
    White 3rd Team: 1- PF Brian Cardinal
    8 pts.: Grade: D

    New Jersey Nets:
    White Starters: 1- C Brook Lopez (researched to find his father is a half black Cuban so he's 1/4 black. However, this Stanford grad looks white, is basically white culturally (loves surfing)- and probably would be considered such by the caste system)
    White 2nd Team: 1- SF Eduardo Najera (A mostly white Mexican with maybe 1/4-3/8 Indigenous admixture)
    White 3rd Team: 0
    5 pts.: Grade: D- (the Nets also score points with me for having a rare Asian player on the roster, Chinese PF Yi Jianlian. He's raw, but has potential and is exciting)

    New Orleans Hornets:
    White Starters: 1- SF Peja Stojakovic (somehow listed as a backup behind Julian Wright by ESPN, but I just can't fathom that being true, they need Peja's shooting ability and Paul can get him easy looks- Peja still has all star type potential if he can stay healthy)
    White 2nd Team: 1- PF Darius Songalia
    White 3rd Team: 1- PF Sean Marks
    6 pts.: Grade: D-

    New York Knicks:
    White Starters: 1- C David Lee
    White 2nd Team: 2- SF Danilo Gallinari, C Darko Milicic
    White 3rd Team: 0
    7 pts.: Grade: D

    Oklahoma City Thunder:
    White Starters: 1- C Nenad Krstic
    White 2nd Team: 3- SF Ryan Bowen, PF Nick Collison, C BJ Mullens (I expect him to pass scrub Etan Thomas before long)
    White 3rd Team: 0
    9 pts.: Grade: D

    Orlando Magic:
    White Starters: 1- PF Ryan Anderson (the Magic love Anderson's shooting ability on a team of lightning quick penetrators)
    White 2nd Team: 3- PG Jason Williams, SG J.J Redick (Redick's sort of between 2nd and 3rd team right now b/c the Magic have both backup SFs Pietrus or Barnes, who they can plug in at backup shooting guard also. Redick is now an above average defender, but will have to get his field goal percentage up over 40% again to earn more time on this team of offensive and defensive stars. He'll have to get his 3 ball close to 40% as well. It's ironic that average mid range and 3 point shooting is what's hindering Redick's minutes right now), C Marcin Gortat
    White 3rd Team: 0
    9 pts.: Grade: D

    Philadelphia 76ers:
    White Starters: 0
    White 2nd Team: 2- SG/SF Jason Kapono, PF Jason Smith
    White 3rd Team: 1- C Primoz Brezec
    5 pts.: Grade: D-

    Phoenix Suns:
    White Starters: 1- PG Steve Nash
    White 2nd Team: 3- PG Goran Dragic, PF Louis Amundson, C Robin Lopez (Brook Lopez's twin brother)
    White 3rd Team: 0
    9 pts.: Grade: D

    Portland Trailblazers:
    White Starters: 1- PG Steve Blake (Listed as the starter, but will evenly split time with Andre Miller)
    White 2nd Team: 2- SG Rudy Fernandez, C Joel Przybilla
    White 3rd Team: 0
    7 pts.: Grade: D

    Sacramento Kings:
    White Starters: 1- C Spencer Hawes (will get starter's minutes, but will come off the bench to make sure both him and Jason Thompson-the team's two big men- don't both get in foul trouble at once early in the game)
    White 2nd Team: 2- PG Beno Udrih, SF Andrew Nocioni
    White 3rd Team: 3- PG Sergio Rodriguez, SF Omri Casspi, PF/C Jon Brockman
    10 pts.: Grade: D+

    San Antonio Spurs:
    White Starters: 1- SG Manu Ginobili (although not technically a starter, he'll play 30 minutes. Popovich said a few years ago- that he brings Manu off the bench because Manu gets the jitters if he starts on the floor at tip off and makes turnovers or gets in foul trouble.)
    White 2nd Team: 1- PF Matt Bonner
    White 3rd Team: 0
    5 pts.: Grade: D-

    Toronto Raptors:
    White Starters: 3- PG Jose Calderon, SF Hedo Turkoglu, C Andrea Bargnani
    White 2nd Team: 2- SG Marco Belinelli, C Rasho Nesterovic
    White 3rd Team: 0
    13 pts.: Grade: C-

    Utah Jazz:
    White Starters: 2- SF Andrei Kirilenko, C Mehmet Okur
    White 2nd Team: 2- SG Kyle Korver, C Kosta Koufos
    White 3rd Team: 2- SG/SF Matt Harpring, C Kyrylo Fesenko
    12 pts.: Grade: C-

    Washington Wizards:
    White Starters: 1- SG Mike Miller
    White 2nd Team: 1- C Fabricio Oberto
    White 3rd Team: 1- C Paul Davis
    6 pts.: Grade: D-

    League Numbers:
    White players: 95 of 434 in the NBA: 95/434= 21.9% white
    White Starters: 27 of 150 in the NBA: 27/150= 18% white
    White 2nd Team: 45 of 150 in the NBA: 45/150= 30% white
    Rotation Players: 72 of 300 in the NBA: 69/300= 24% white
    White 3rd Team: 23 of 134 in the NBA: 23/ 134= 17.2% white

    Numbers may indicate a caste system: Numbers can show signs of discrimination. There are many white rotation players that are extremely important to the team's success, but starting them is rather rare. There are only 23 white 3rd team players on the cusp of NBA rosters. A white fringe player is likely to get cut to appease the CaucasianRivals media, DWFs and any racist blacks (if any are on the roster) for black fringe players based on supposed black "raw"Â￾ upside. American white players often go from being "scrubs"Â￾ and having to play in Europe to eventual key 2nd team guys in the NBA because they are much better than given credit for. Something doesn't add up here!

    Points: 194 out of 884 points earned: 194/884: 21.9% of points are from white players.

    Positional breakdown: For our purposes I will list SG/SFs as SGs and PF/Cs as PFs because whites are rarer at SG and PF than at SF and C.
    There are 14 white PGs in the NBA
    There are 17 white SGs in the NBA
    There are 15 white SFs in the NBA
    There are 22 white PFs in the NBA
    There are 27 white Cs in the NBA

    There were 90 white players on NBA rosters when last season kicked off. We have made a net gain of 5 white players! [​IMG] Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
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    Interesting info Tough. Thanks for the work you put into compiling all this![​IMG]
     
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    Peja is still dealing with his back injury, it is still bothering him I believe. Every interview I have heard has said the Hornet's season is riding on the health of Peja, along with Chris Paul. They were saying he was going to be used like Ginobili, so he will not technically be a starter.Edited by: dwid
     
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    Reposting from the other thread:
    The 1st post above, could be an article for the homepage if Don wants to put it up. Guys feel free to add scouting reports if you'd like.

    One thing that is good about the NBA is that there are no banned positions for whites. About 22% of NBA players are white. About 20-23% of playing time goes to white players. Realistically the NBA should be anywhere from 45-60% white, 30-40% black and 12-16% Asian/Middle Eastern/Mestizo/Aboriginal/Other based on size, skills and interest. There is much less racial cohesion (ie. racial cliques) on a roster of only 13-15 players. Also, basketball is a statistical team oriented sport, more than an individual glory sport. Black players may take a big liking to white play makers who set them up for easy scores. These are some reasons why the NBA is a little more fair than the NFL and that there are no banned positions for whites. Considering that African American interest surpasses American white interest on average per persons in population (evidence points to this, but how much of a disparity is open to question), the NBA is not as bad as it seems. It is nowhere near where it should be, but it is clearly not as bad as the NFL racially if you ask me.

    Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
  5. Jack Lambert

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    It seems like the NBA is improving somewhat. I can seem to remember last year there were a lot of all black teams. There are still a lot this year, but not as many. At least, unlike the NFL, there are several teams (Pacers, Raptors, Jazz, and Bucks,) that should be worth watching this year.
     
  6. j41181

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    NBA teams worth watching (these have 4+ whites):

    Minnesota, Toronto, Milwaukee, Sacramento, Utah, Indiana, & Orlando

    Dallas (Dirk), Phoenix (Nash), and Los Angeles (Pau) are also worth watching. New Jersey has Brooke Lopez and Yi Jianlianm (both very interesting prospects). Houston has two incoming whites in David Andersen and Chase Budinger, despite Yao Ming virtually out for the season. Memphis has Marc Gasol (very solid player). This will be a very interesting NBA season.Edited by: j41181
     
  7. whiteathlete33

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    Great job ToughJ.  Reddick had 10 points last night and I hope he can average at least 10 points a game for this season.  He is the best shooter in the league and can be really good.
     
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    If Redick can get the offensive confidence back he had in college, he could be a Michael Redd type. According to statistics in last year's playoffs, Redick is now an above average perimeter defender and Stan Van Gundy has stated these facts to the media as well. I hope to see Redick as a key 6th or 7th man this year for the Magic that can drop 10-15 points a game on a consistent basis!
     
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    I hope he continues to get the opportunity he had in the playoffs and to begin the season. Often one bad game can often send a white player back to the end of the bench. Let's hope that doesn't happen to JJ Redick.
     
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    What is going on with Morrison?  I see he didn't play at all in the last game.
     
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    The NBA in some cases is worse than the NFL.  Take Atlanta for example.  Only one white player on the entire team and he's an international guy.  
     
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    Yeah there are some teams, the Hawks, Pistons, and "Celtics," that only have one white player on their rosters. Also, the NBA seems to be about just as thuggish as the NFL in some cases. Except, whites are not banned at any position in the NBA. We have also made a net gain of 5 this year in the NBA.
     
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    Why are there less European whites coming in?  About 10 years ago there were tons of European whites getting drafted. Now it seems every year its less and less.  Also very few white Americans are being drafted as well.
     
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    Less Europeans are going to be NBA for 2 reasons:

    * Darko Milicic - many "idiotic" NBA experts have forever conluded that for every Dirk Nowitzki, there's a Darko Milicic.

    * Money & Culture - why risk going overseas when the Euros can make as much money right at their own backyard, and NBA culture is just hostile towards the Euros. Even though it's long proven they can play and hang it up with the "best", practically all NBA coaches have little or no patience in waiting for the Euros to adjust and make results. Plus, the Afros will "never" get along with them, an 80's Euro who played 1 year in Phoenix best put it: "They never pass the ball to me"

    Many American whites are no longer viewed as NBA material. In order to be NBA material, they have to standout. But that's easier said than done, so there has been a recent trend of many American whites going overseas. That's for them to get playing time rather than rot on an NBA bench.

    I can't help but ponder why but, after reaching it's zenith in the years 1998-2004, the European invasion has suddenly vanished. It's funny how the Chinese are now the next victims of the NBA's caste system.
     
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    Most of the American whites that get drafted now in days are centers or power forwards.  There are less and less guards like Mark Price and Bobby Hurley.
     
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    After Steve Nash is gone, I fear there won't be a top-notch white guard for many years to come. That clearly sucks![​IMG]
     
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    Well Kirk Hinrich is very good though he's not a superstar.
     
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    I'm disgusted that Ben Woodside had to go oversees. Woodside is a similar player to Jose Juan Barea, who is an important role player for Dallas and scouts should have noticed this. Woodside is probably even quicker to the paint than Barea, but might be a slightly less gifted passer for the NBA level at this point. There are so many teams that could use a great spark off the bench like Woodside. Woodside could even become a TJ Ford type starter down the road. We need more white American guards. Lee Cummard and Micah Downs were screwed this year as well. [​IMG]
     
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    J41181, you made some great points on the dwindling of the Euro invasion. Darko hasn't panned out at all- as far as worthiness of a 2nd pick overall. Tskitishvilli (spelling?) was another big flop at the #5 pick. Darko has become at least an important role player after not seeing the floor for Detroit and is quite and efficient player who does well in the +/- category. Then there were guys who their teams never let see the floor despite lots of talent, like Greek PG Spanoulis or Russian PF Korolev. There are just as high a percentage of black busts though, but the enemy media only discusses white busts, so the black busts fade from memory.

    The media also would never put a guy like Stephon "Shooting Starbury" Marbury on the all time "bust" list simply b/c he puts up points. But has the guy ever done anything other than make his team worse? There are many blacks like him that put up lots of points, but are very "inefficient". How about former Knicks Zach Randolph or Jamal Crawford. That's three inefficient blacks all on one team- and I didn't even mention two ridiculously overpaid Knicks, Eddie Curry and Jerome James!
     
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    Also there were American jump shooting guards like Matt Walsh- who never got put on the floor for minutes to be given the reins to shoot. Or how about Luke Jackson? He was starting to play decent as a rookie, but then quickly hurt his back and never got into a rotation again and gets called a huge bust at pick 10. Dunleavy was almost labeled a huge bust at pick number 3, but luckily was given more time than most white players and now has put together a solid career for a number 3 pick.
     
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    Yes Darko has been a bust so far but he can be effective if given a chance.  There are however tons of good European players.  Gallinari, Nowitzki,Bargnani, Drazen Petrovic, Nenad Kristic, and Stojakovic are just some of the very talented Europeans to be drafted in the years.
     
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    I remember when Maximus put together a list of all the white players in the league in recent years and tried to say that guys like Kirilenko, Bogut, Kaman and David Lee etc. were "average" NBA players. His list was ridiculous. Average white players, to him, stunk and quality white starters were average, all-star whites were just pretty good. [​IMG] Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
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    Thanks, ToughJR, for the great work (as always). We do appreciate it.

    Looking at these rosters almost makes me want to cry. There are so many outstanding white players in the NCAA tournament, year after year, who simply disappear after college. There is always some reason given for why they can't play in the NBA. My new favorite, which they first used extensively on J.J. Redick, is that "he can't create his own shot." What does that even mean? The question itself denotes the kind of selfish thug mentality that persists in the NBA- "creating your own shot" means doing something individually, not working with your teammates. What a wonderful trait for a player to possess.

    The European players are dwindling, but without them in the league, what would the percentage of white players be? How many white Americans even start in today's NBA? Are there any? (remember, Nash is Canadian). I suspect that there is a strict quota placed on white players in the league, much as there is in the NFL. Thus, if fewer Europeans enter the NBA over the next decade, there will be a slight increase in white American players, in order to keep up that magical 20% or so figure.

    I'd like to know what the percentage of white players in the NBA was before the Europeans started being recruited. Despite John Thompson's Don King-like patriotic lament that "American players" were being replaced as a result, my hunch is that most of the roster spots those European players earned were at the expense of white Americans. Otherwise, we should have seen a dramatic increase in white players in the NBA once the Europeans were added. There are so many deserving white players purposefully kept off NBA rosters.
     
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    To make things worse, the nba has now decided to court mexico and south america more. The will be their main goal. I have a feeling we are going to see alot of mexican players and south american players from Brazil and other countries. The whites in the nba will most likely continue to decline. Let's just hope that the guys that do make it have a huge impact. We need more Nowitzki type players!
     
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    There should also be more NBA coaches like Don Nelson & Mike D'antoni. Nelson gave Dirk & Nash lots of room in becoming the superstars they are now, and he made Biedrins into a solid player, as well as Bellineli (prior to his injury). Mike D'antoni made Nash in to a 2-time MVP, and now he's giving enough room for both Lee and Gallinari in becoming solid players, can't say the same for Darko.

    Jay Triano, I'm not sure. But after seeing Bargnani & Calderon enjoy breakout performances last season, I'm beginning to like him as a coach. I'm sure Belinelli will flourish under him too.

    Phil Jackson ironically, has always had a good white player in his teams over the years (save for the 2000-02 Laker teams). But, seeing Adam Morrison rot on the bench is a clear indication he does not develop young players.

    Rick Adelman is another coach I respect (Peja Stojakovic). I'm hoping he'll give Chase Budinger & David Andersen lots of time and room to grow.
     

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