2019 NFL Week 15

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  1. Kaptain

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    It's frustrating because white athletic quarterbacks have not been allowed to run an offense curtailed to their running ability if given a chance at all. There has definitely been a void of athleticism at the QB position forever that only now is getting filled and unfortunately only getting filled by black QBs. Traditional defenses are just not equipped to defend against the additional threat of the run. It would have been awesome if Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Matt Jones, ..... the list goes on would have been allowed to run such an offense instead of seemingly being sabotaged by their own offensive coordinators. I don't know how many times in my life I've heard the criticism of athletic white quarterbacks as they run that they "have got to learn to stay in the pocket" - a line you never hear uttered when it comes to the black "new breed" quarterback.
     
  2. La France Blanche

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    What Thursday Night Football should be. Rams-Vikings 2018 with Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, Adam Thielen, and Cooper Kupp all having great performances. Best TNF game I can remember.



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  3. La France Blanche

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    Josh Allen is the only White QB this year who's really been allowed to use his running ability. If Mitch Trubisky was allowed to lead a similar offense, the Bears would be in much better shape.

    Some White QBs are traditional pocket passers, others are dual threats. But because of racist stereotyping that portrays White guys as "slow," White dual threats are being blocked from reaching their true potential.
     
  4. FootballDad

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    It's not just that. Head coaches and offensive coordinators are not at smart as many people think. They develop an offense "philosophy" that they simple plug players into. Even black QBs have been "plugged" into systems that don't work for them. A good example is Russell Wilson. His first year at Seattle he was simply playing in the offense that Plantation Pete and his coordinator "liked". The only plays where he was effective were traditional roll-out plays that isolated one side of the field. Even Michael Vick played in a "traditional" offense that just happened to feature designed runs for the QB, but nothing like what RG3 had or Jackson has.

    Of course it drives me nutz that defensive coordinators can't figure out how to stop Jackson. They say that since they don't see this kind of offense ever, they rarely have to prepare for it, so....... It's BS.
     
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    Sitting here at the hotel breakfast area, BSPN is doing a round table discussion on “Lamarvelous”. Being discussed, slobbered over, is the question “how impressed were you with Lamar?” I’m glad the volume is so low that I can’t hear it.
     
  6. dwid

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    This happens every half decade where dwfs are mesmerized that a team can put a running back behind center that can sort of throw and pretty much all of them fall off after a short stint. It's exciting to watch but it's still not a long term viable solution.

    It is a shame that our athletic guys don't get to run a similar type of offense but Tebow did run some option when he played for Denver, and he won a playoff game. They said he couldn't throw, I mean it did look awkward but I'm still not convinced Jackson can throw either, at least consistent NFL type throws. He's having success due to defenses biting hard on the fakes. If anyone was built to withstand the wear and tear of running each game it was Tebow but I still think when it is all said and done, pocket passing will still dominate, Jackson's play will decline and there will be a new quotaback that people will be in love with "but this one is different!"
     
  7. sprintstar

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    Tebow only looked awkward because he is a lefty. he got screwed as we know because he is a huge threat to the BS stereotype that Blacks are athletically superior, which we here all know they aren't.
     
  8. dwid

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    Yes I know , I have made many Highlight videos and the only one that was ever taken down was the one advocating for Tebow to be a running back. It was a video showing all of his college runs and it was taken down. I was flagged for copyright infringement before but it just keeps the video up and diverts the revenue from the clicks to the original broadcasters so there was no reason to take the video down. I haven't earned a dime from any of my videos which have combined for over 2 million views. The Tebow one was gaining way more views than any of the others and the revenue was going to the right people, not me so there is no other explanation. I put it back up under another profile years later but the hype died and it wasn't gaining as much traction .
     
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  9. Don Wassall

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    It was symbolic to see the long ago washed up RGIII come in for garbage time last night.

    Patrick Mahomes has gone from 50 TD passes last year to just 21 this year. Part of that is because he's been banged up, but the fact that he's been banged up already at his age is not a good sign that he's going to be a top QB for an extended period of time.

    Thirty years ago it was Randall Cunningham, 20 years ago it was Kordell Stewart, 15 years ago it was Michael Vick, almost 10 years ago now it was RGIII, the beat goes on and on and so does the pattern of black QBs quickly declining after they've had success.

    When posters obsess about black QBs instead of focusing on the many White athletes there are to root for, we're really the mirror opposite of the "mainstream" media and its obsession with black QBs.
     
  10. dwid

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    I get that the focus of conversation should be elsewhere but I frequent DWF fan boards and many there seem to think that the NFL is trying hard to prop up Mahomes and the Chiefs with favourable calls and non calls. I haven't watched any of their games so I can't say but it seems to match up with what posters are saying here, so it's not just us.
     
  11. Don Wassall

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    I understand that it's an important topic, but it just seems that CF has gotten a little out of kilter over it. We're supposed to be a unique alternative to everyone else in that we root for White athletes. You can't bring about change without pointing out what's wrong, along with the positive and your proposed solutions, but it does annoy me when I catch up on the weekly NFL thread and there's post after post about black QBs, usually with a derogatory nickname thrown in, throwing an interception for example, as if White quarterbacks don't throw picks or have bad games. Rather than celebrating what White players are doing, there's more of an anti-black agenda that's emphasized in many posts. We've gone from what traditionally was a pretty good balance of discussing the good and the bad, to too much emphasis on black QBs.
     
  12. wile

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    Oh good Lord that one poster who writes a novella of his deepest held feelings is wasting his life, I skim his posts at most. Too bad he is a smart guy but in my experience the smart dudes put themselves on a track then stay on it.

    Anyway up thread FD mentioned coaches, is there not a bigger scam than football "coach?" NE last year in the SB impressed me by being able to adjust and build a team that could adjust on the fly but most coaches are just scam artists out to rip off either the idiot owner or the trustees of the college they coach for. I used to side with the coaches most of the time in the usual squabbles but after watching Aaron Rogers deal with the head of stone McCarthy and his looks of sideline befuddlement that view is changing. And most coaches are white, so look at the temptation to follow the herd, play the "real athletes" recruit the "stars" cash big checks. Dirty hos
     
  13. Truthteller

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    Comparing a 35 year old Randall Cunningham to a much younger Lamar Jackson is not ideal. Not only is there a substantial age difference, but Randall could throw the ball down field to his wide receivers and did not run like he did after suffering two early season ending injuries in 1991 and 1993. Lamar Jackson is much more like a young Steve McNair, who was nothing more than a dink-dunk king that could run for a lot of yards.

    Nonetheless, this current Baltimore team reminds me a lot of the pretty much all-black 1998 Minnesota Vikings, who blazed through that season going 15-1 and outscoring opponents 35-18 (average). Even with all the media hype and talk (at the time) of that being the best NFL team ever, that Minnesota team eventually fell to a seemingly pedestrian Falcons team in the NFC title game. With, young rising "superstar" Duante Culpepper at the helm, the Vikings made it to back the NFC Championship game in 2000, before getting smashed 41-0 to a not so great Giants team. After that, the team faded fairly quickly and did not return to prominence until 2009, with 40 year old Brett Favre leading the Vikings to the NFC title game.

    We'll see how far Baltimore could go. But I'd love to see the Rams sneak into the playoffs and get a re-match. Whoever they play in the NFC in the Super Bowl (if they get that far), the game will be held at a neutral site.


    P.S.: Wile, please check the top right side of your screen (letter icon). Not sure if you read it or not, but I sent you a message regarding another topic last week. Might want to check it out. Thanks.
     
  14. dwid

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    I never compared him to Cunningham. I said most running qbs fail after a while. A few can adapt but a majority will fail. I think Cunningham was not just a runner even early on, he could also use his mobility to extend plays in the pocket . I think it's the same with alot of our guys that were athletic as well like Steve Young. I think Russel Wilson does the same but others like Cam Newton are awful at it and when confined to the pocket they wind up getting sacked alot, they aren't used to going through their reads . They are used to wide open windows, making one read and either running or throwing to a safety valve. When they are no longer a threat to run those windows are much tighter.

    I think there's a difference between a running qb and a mobile qb.
     
  15. Don Wassall

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    Truthteller, the 1998 Falcons who beat the 15-1 Vikings in the NFC Championship game were 14-2 that season, that's quite a bit better than pedestrian. And Jackson is much more than a dink and dunker, he's thrown a number of long TD passes this season. The one he threw last night was a perfect throw. He's got a lot of talent and is a very fast runner; the real question is will he stay at a high level for very long? The history of run first black QBs says no, which is why I'm a lot more interested in the White athletes in the NFL, including the young White QBs who have made their mark this season, than I am in Lamar Jackson.
     
  16. La France Blanche

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    I understand where you're coming from, and I try to keep my own posts leaning more pro-white than anti-black, but I think the single biggest reason for the increase in black QB talk is the sheer number of black QBs the NFL has placed on the field this year, along with the accompanying media hype. The number of black starters is close to double what it was a few years ago. How many nationally televised games this year have had both QBs white? It seems like less than half.

    But at the end of the day, I agree that wanting to see white players do well is the primary reason I still tune into this league - although I have to admit my favorite play is a white defender picking off a black QB. :)
     
  17. dwid

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    I think the run pass option is essentially giving your qb training wheels. I don't think it does the qb any favors in the long run which is why I'm not too concerned with having a White qb run it. It's comparable to having a super dominant running back and play action works every single time. I think it's more suited for the lower levels. I wouldn't mind seeing it run as part of an offense but having your franchise qb, White or black run the ball 150 times a year isn't very smart .

    I don't really have a problem with black qbs. I just have a problem with our guys being marginalized. I like to watch football but it's hard when the few games I can find to watch feature so few Whites. Qb was once one of the few positions that was White dominated. I wouldn't care if there were more black qbs if it meant more White running backs, safeties , receivers etc. That's not happening.
     
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  18. Truthteller

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    Don, you are correct regarding the 1998 Falcons. I guess my memory has faded a bit. I really remember how no one in the media gave them much of any chance @ Minnesota (Vikings were 11 point favorites) and assumed Atlanta was like 11-5 team that year. I also remember how Denver destroyed them in Super Bowl, clouding my memory of that teams' regular season success a bit more. Denver was up 31-6 in the SB, but Atlanta scored some garbage time TD's to make it a bit closer (34-19) at the end. That was a weird team. Only four white starters listed, but a lot of notable white backups -- Tim Dwight, Keith Brooking, Todd Kinchen, Bob Christian, Ronnie Harris.

    As far as Jackson, haven't watched him much at all. I'm sure he completes some deep balls when the receivers are wide open, but when I've watched he's mostly been a Red Zone terror: According to NFL Network's Ben Fennell, the Ravens quarterback entered Thursday with 24 touchdowns and zero interceptions inside the 30-yard line. He added four more to that total against the Jets.

    After last night's game (which I did not watch), he now has 22 Red Zone TD tosses. With the Majority of those coming inside the 10 yard line (16). Most of his longer TD's were week 1, against a terrible Miami secondary. I agree he's had a great season and will likely win the MVP, but every time I turn around, it seems like he's throwing a TD inside the 10 yard line. Almost half his TD's are like that. Most short TD's I've seen, he doesn't even need to "thread the needle", as the receivers are inexplicably wide open in the end zone?
     
  19. Extra Point

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    Is it possible that black defensive players are intentionally playing badly against Jackson so he can look good? Or is that Big Unreal territory?
     
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    I tend to think that most defenses are kinda horrible to begin with. Jackson is playing well and will probably win MVP. That's okay as long as one of our Veteran QBs can bring home The Lombardi.
     
  21. PHillisFan

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    It has seemed like the effort has definitely not been there. Not even does future HOF Drew Brees eclipse a 5 TD game without throwing for over 300+ yards. The fact that Jackson has had (2) 5 TD games throwing under 200 yds is just beyond strange. This guy is already being given MVP yet might not even surpass 3,000 passing yds this season. When sCam won MVP he had around 3,800 passing yds at least even as a dual threat.
     
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    For me if a black QB is throwing to white receivers I don't get too rattled. Still it is true the media is using Jackson as a warrior symbol and it is way overbearing. However the questions above are elusive but can't be entirely dismissed. That is a tricky story. Still forgetting that theme for a moment.

    It is worth pointing out Jackson missed a wide open TE Andrews on a sure huge TD bomb which would have made the game go down easier.

    That said I think we need to broaden our horizons. Yes there are more media hyped up black QBs now more than ever it seems.

    But for me last night I could point to two maybe three positives and one wild negative.

    TE Andrews was solid and the Ravens white TE fleet is impressive.

    Jets PR ( I missed his chunk return) Braxton Berrios continues to lead the entire NFL in punt return average.

    And QB Sam Darnold looks like the Jets franchise QB and has the potential to become great but that is conjecture at this point. He seems to have the talent to become a major figure in the NFL but he is only in his second year so it is hard to firmly predict on such matters.

    But I would be remiss if I didn't mention what I think is the other probably bigger elephant in the room. The Jets had a white DT ( usually the least important position when discussing caste on defense) and he was the lone white defender on the field last night. The Ravens had zero white defenders and I don't even think they have white back ups on defense.

    Which gets me back to Extra Point's question. This season we have even ( all black of course) defensive stalwart teams like Alabama take a big step back. The disintegration of proper defenses have roots. I believe the source of this is high school recruiting where 40 yard dash times and sleeve length not to mention black DBs with the classic steroid look have changed the way defenses are made up hence we get nearly all black defenses that are usually lacking in key fundamentals. These camps don't pay too much attention to actual tackling and defensive awareness. They are mainly interested in work out numbers which often don't translate into good intuitive defensive players who can actually tackle.

    So to me perhaps the biggest travesty in the NFL ( along with the lack of white wide receivers of course) these days is the lack of white players on defense. How many NFL teams start more than one white player? Not many. And many don't start any. To me this is even a worse problem than the uptick of black QBs.
     
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    Don,

    I just wanted to share my opinion on the whole quotaback discussion. I'll be the first to admit I post as much as I can when a quotaback throws and interception, fumbles, makes a bonehead play etc. I'll try to be a little less obnoxious about it but I do feel part of the weekly threads should be pointing out bad plays made by the "chosen" ones at QB and every other position as well as rooting for white athletes. No other site will tell it like it is when it comes to black players. We are the only ones that acknowledge that not all blacks are superior athletes and point out the odious double standard that exists when compared to white athletes - most of our great members have posted ad nasuem about the caste speak and racial slotting in every sport. We acknowledge the biases that exist in all levels of football - from FBS/FCS schools ignoring hugely productive (in some case state record holders) from getting recruited to the draft where we see productive white athletes get the shaft during the draft process because they do not have "upside" of some black player who has a high vertical/runs a fast 40 but has no production.

    As for Lamar Jackson - he has had a good year for sure in an offense built around him. It's a very simplistic offense and most of the time he throws to his first read immediately. The hype/forget/rinse/repeat cycle of black quarterbacks is annoying - plain and simple. The short-memories of coaches/defensive coordinators, media and idiotic fan bases is frustrating to an extent as well. We saw the exact same offense being run in 2012 only to see the neutralization of them in 2013 - how these supposed genius football minds are not able to make that connection is beyond me (others have made mention of the inept coaching in the NFL in this thread). I do feel that Jackson will eventually be figured out and the 5+ yard open windows he has will begin to shrink and deficiencies in being a quality passing quarterback will become evident, the run game will become less efficient and the game film will start filling in some of the voids in terms of opposing teams preparing to face the Ravens.

    I'll end on this - I caught a highlight earlier this year where Haurbaugh was talking to Lamar Jackson on the sideline and said something about him influencing the next generation of quarterbacks. I couldn't help by think to myself why isn't anyone telling Christian McCaffrey he is influencing the next generation of running backs. The double standard is stunning and out there in plain view for everyone to see but no one wants to acknowledge it.
     
  24. Don Wassall

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    The double standards and the ridiculous media hype is out there in every sphere of society. We live in a country that is becoming non-White as rapidly as possible. An important part of that process is degrading Whites, even demonizing them. Why would it be any different when it comes to black quarterbacks?

    The pushing of black quarterbacks is not going to end. It's been going on for a long time now, and for the first time there's been several successful ones at the same time. So what is our response going to be -- letting it get to us and dominate and in my opinion ruin Caste Football? To have a poster apparently seriously asking in this thread if black defensive players deliberately let Lamar Jackson have big plays shows that we're starting to border on deranged.

    The Caste System has been around a long time. Every poster here is assumed to know about it and understand it. The point of this site is to support those White athletes who succeed in spite of the Caste System, as well as pointing out when they are discriminated against and held back, which happens a lot more often than when one succeeds.

    I come here to get away from the endless media hype of black athletes. But now it's infected this site as well. We're getting away from our mission and becoming obsessed with black quarterbacks.

    And as far as pointing out individual bad plays by black quarterbacks, that's no more meaningful than pointing individual bad plays by White QBs. A valid comparison is to compare them over time, at the very least an entire game and more realistically over the course of a season or seasons. But really, the weekly threads are primarily to celebrate the athletes we root for. It's about a healthy balance, and right now there's an unhealthy balance, with this thread being a great example. One or two mentions of Mark Andrews and the great breakout year he's having, and post after post about Lamar Jackson. I've pointed out the double standards more than anyone -- no one can seriously say I'm not aware of all the bs going on or that I'm not an expert on the Caste System, I've dedicated many years of my life to exposing it -- but it needs to be balanced by a healthy dose of rooting for the lunch pail guys.
     
  25. La France Blanche

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    All White QB nationally televised games coming up:

    Josh Allen vs. Devlin Hodges (Bills vs. Steelers), Sunday Night Football, December 15
    Aaron Rodgers vs. Kirk Cousins (Packers vs. Vikings), Monday Night Football, December 23
     

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