2018 NBA Draft Big Board

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  1. Deceptive Speed

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    It's never too early to start predicting the future! I'm tired of reading the same old draft predictions that list a few of our star players, but mainly dedicate their site's to promoting black's. So I decided to knock-off BSPN's Chad Ford, and make my own big board ranking top White prospects. So here you go!
    Deceptive Speed's 2018 NBA Draft Big Board:
    Rank/ Size/ Position, Country or Team/ Pick Prediction
    1. Luka Doncic 6'7 220, SG, Slovenia, Real Madrid, 1st overall pick!!

    2. Grayson Allen 6'5 210, SG, USA, Duke, Lottery pick

    3. Killin Tillie 6'10 215, SF/PF, France, Gonzaga, Lottery pick

    4. Rodions Kurucs 6'9 220, SF, Latvia, FC Barcelona, Mid-late 1st round

    5. Dzanan Musa 6'9 195, SF, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Cedevita, Mid-late 1st round

    6. Ethan Happ 6'10 235, PF/C, USA, Wisconsin, Late 1st round

    7. Moritz Wagner 6'11 235, PF, Germany, Michigan, Late 1st round

    8. Sviatoslav Mykhaliuk 6'8 205, Ukraine, Kansas, Late 1st-early 2nd round

    9. Omer Yurtseven 7'0 250, C, Turkey, NC State, Late 1st-early 2nd round (Turkish kinda dark??)

    9. Arnoldas Kulboka 6'9 205, SF, Lithuania, Capo D'Orlando, Early 2nd round

    10. Drew Eubanks 6'10 240, USA, PF/C, Oregon State, Early 2nd round

    11. Thomas Welsh 7'1 255, C, USA, UCLA, Early 2nd round

    13. Jock Landale 6'11 255, PF/C, Australia, Saint Marys, Early-mid 2nd round

    14. Borisa Simanic 6'10 220, SF/PF, Serbia, Crvena Zvezda, Early-mid 2nd round

    15. Isaac Haas 7'2 290, C, USA, Purdue, Mid 2nd round

    15. Tadas Sedekerskis 6'10 210, SF, Lithuania, Baskonia, Mid 2nd round

    16. Matt Farrell 6'1 180, PG, USA, Notre Dame, Mid-late 2nd round (Hard seeing him this late)

    17. J.P. Macura 6'5 205, SG, USA, Xavier, Late 2nd round

    18. Dino Radoncic 6'8 220, SF, Serbia, Real Madrid, Late 2nd round

    19. Vanjah Marinkovic 6'7 200, SG/SF, Serbia, Partizan, Late 2nd-UDFA

    20. Ben Lammers 6'10 235, PF/C, USA, Georgia Tech, UDFA

    21. Vladimir Bodziansky 6'11 230, PF, Slovakia, TCU, UDFA

    22. Bryant McIntosh 6'3 200, PG, USA, Northwestern, UDFA

    23. Goga Bitadze 6'11 250, C, Georgia, Mega Bemax, Late 2nd-UDFA

    24. Tryggvi Hlinason 7'1 260, C, Iceland, Valencia, Late 2nd-UDFA
     
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  2. white lightning

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  3. Shadowlight

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    One could argue until they turn blue if it is better in the long run for white players to declare early for the NBA. In nearly all but a few cases I would argue it is BETTER for them to stay in school for their long haul future outlook. Preferably all four years with but a few three year exceptions.

    The NBA is NOT what it used to be. There was always a heavy black presence going back many years but it was still a foundational coach driven league until the late 80's. Over the years it has evolved into a black social club making it much more difficult now than ever before for white "stars" to emerge. As I mentioned earlier I no longer enjoy the NBA game much. There are still whites dotting rosters but the majority of them are either role players, bench dwellers or in several cases all star caliber players. The question I have asked for countless years is if we will ever see another Larry Bird like player emerge in the NBA and sadly the answer has been a resounding no. What you rarely see these days are top teams led by a white star. Only Gordon Hayward ( out) and maybe Goran Dragic fit that description. Players like Nikola Jokic and Porzingis have talent but neither one has led their team to the playoffs ( Denver fell short last night).

    With that backdrop why are white American players in such a rush to join the NBA?

    Last year I argued that the early entry white players for this season made a mistake. Only Lauri Markkanen had a very good rookie season averaging 15 pts and 7.5 rebounds a game. I think he surprised a lot of experts who had their doubts about him. Even so Markkanen in my opinion should have stayed at Arizona for at least one more year. He is the rare white player who was somewhat NBA ready after just one college season. But again for long term purposes jumping early doesn't mean it will help his career in the long haul good rookie season or not.

    As I predicted the results for the remaining three were pretty damn bad.

    The next best was Luke Kennard who averaged over 7 pts a game. But his career path is eerily similar to another SG who left after two years of college, Nick Stauskas. Stauskas jumped far too early and has never developed beyond a role player. Will Kennard suffer the same fate? Too early to tell but at least one more season at Duke was warranted. Imagine an Allen/Kennard back court together for one more shot at the title?

    TJ Leaf had an exciting freshman season at UCLA with his flashy dunking and all around play but spent this last season as a bench warmer.

    Tyler Lydon disappeared into the "G" league then hurt is knee.

    The frustrating thing about these three players is they played for the highest profile colleges in the country and would have been marquee college stars this past season. Maybe superstars. In our faces daily and impossible for ESPN to ignore. Instead they opted for the anonymity of the NBA and from a caste perspective this scenario DID NOT help MOVE the anti caste NEEDLE. If these players including Marrkanen had stayed in school imagine what a Duke/Syracuse/Arizona/UCLA Final Four would have looked like in terms of putting a hurt on the caste narrative? Thankfully Donte D helped bail out that situation to a certain degree.

    C Jakob Poetltl left after two years and while he is contributing nicely off the Toronto bench in his second season he is still a "role" player.

    So at least I am happy to report that Gonzaga's PF Killian Tillie will remain at school for his junior season. I would hope other whites follow him. Mo Wagner, Ethan Happ and Drew Eubanks I have but one thing to say. STAY IN SCHOOL!!
     
  4. Jack Lambert

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    Great post Shadowlight!! I have to type my agreement with this sentiment yet again. This could have been a great year for our guys, but NONE of these guys languishing in the G-League or whatever it is now are helping fight against the Caste System. Is Kennard really helping against the caste system with his minuscule minutes off the Detroit bench most nights? Or, would it have helped more to see him and Grayson Allen, as shadow mentioned.

    Here's one shadow missed: former Marquette star Henry Ellenson, who bolted to the draft after one year. He's now averaging 4 whole points off the bench in 38 games for Detroit. Yeah, leaving after one year was an awful decision for him too.

    I'm glad to hear Tillie went back, but Wagner and Eubanks are heading to the NBA. Wagner, I don't mind as much, but wish he would've came back. Eubanks, not so much. Terrible decision on his part. Won't be drafted, and will be forgotten about overseas within a couple of years. Happ better not go. Wisconsin will be a Top 15 team with Happ next year. Tillie's decision great; everything I heard said he was going to the draft. Jon Elmore is one who also declared; he better come back.

    It's better for us both in terms of the NBA and NCAA if our guys stay in college. They can be great players at the college level, and their pro prospects will get better.
     
  5. celticdb15

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    Nice thread!

    First I've heard of Doncic!
     
  6. The Hock

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    Even if a white player fails to make that big a splash in the NBA the money will damn sure make a huge splash in his bank account.

    If you know you'll get drafted and make a roster it's hard to risk injury for another year in college and lose all that.

    Take the money and run says I.
     
  7. Shadowlight

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    Following up on JL's post we now have another supreme dumb ass move as talented but raw Drew Eubanks declares for the NBA draft. With another year of seasoning he could have been a border line first round draft pick. He was vastly improving each of his first three seasons. He could have turned into a Mason Plumlee like player at the NBA level with some more seasoning. Like JL says now he might not get drafted at all. These white players are getting infected from the black playground mentality of grabbing the GUSTO as quick as possible without any foresight. Stop drinking that cool aid.

    Happ would be foolish to declare and I suspect Jon Elmore will be back at school because unlike Eubanks he was smart enough to test the waters before taking the plunge.

    As for Mo Wagner hell even his cute mom could pass as a college upper class college student which tells me he is too young to declare. Why declare early when you can improve your draft status by staying in school one more season? Too much instant gratification going on in society with young people today. Too bad they don't look before they leap.

    The NBA is a black social club run by "their inner rules." It is not like college basketball at all where the coach lays down the law and teams practice unity and teamwork. More than any other league blacks control things in the NBA.
     
  8. Shadowlight

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    Later this week is the NBA Combine. Key players attending will be Mo Wagner, Grayson Allen plus Donte D, Kevin Huerter ( 2 underclassmen who have not hired an agent) and Svi. We should keep an eye on their vertical jumps. I have a feeling a few of these guys will put up big numbers.
     
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    I've never understood why the NBA is different than the other leagues in that the players do seem to run things.

    You have the same setup as the others in terms of (((owners))) who are part of a small, elite club that's very hard to get into. But unlike MLB where a lot of old traditions still seem to survive and the NFL where the owners do yield quite a bit of power, the NBA owners give their players a lot of latitude to operate, but why? They didn't even hesitate to instantly throw one of their (((own))) under the bus and take his team away all because of a private conversation that was leaked by one of his ho's.
     
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    The NBA Combine is under way and three of our favorites are performing at a very high level on the athletic tests. Really doing well in the speed and agility tests. All TOP TIER ATHLETES!!!!

    Below are their vertical leaps.

    Donte D-42 inches

    Grayson Allen-40.5 inches

    Kevin Huerter-38 inches

    More on this later.
     
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    A terrific overall NBA Combine for five notable players. Below is a quick summary.

    Mo Wagner--Displayed better athleticism than last year scoring very high on quickness and agility drills. Also a solid 34 inch vertical for a 6'11" player. He still is coming out too early as most have him listed as an early 2nd round pick. Could sneak into the first but one more year in college would have solidified that. Has translatable NBA skills.

    Svi--Longtime favorite here Svi came in trimmer this year and jumped 37 inches, a much better number than last year. ( He participated in last year's combine just like Wagner). Svi has a short wing span but is athletic, versatile and can really shoot. Most have him listed as a 2nd round pick but given his young age, he is still only 20, I think he is being shortchanged as he is 6'8" with guard skills. Some people have him dropping off that draft but I suspect he will land in the 2nd round. Showed well here.

    Grayson Allen--If Allen was black his television "resume" would have focused a lot more on his athletic explosion. But he is white so his athletic ability was rarely mentioned. His 40.5 inch vertical was off of one foot which is harder to maximize. He killed in all the agility and speed events so those poor man Russell Westbrook comparisons aren't a reach at all. What hurt him this past season was his inconsistent three point shot. Still even though he is listed as an early round 2nd round pick I for one thinks he has first round talent. I enjoyed watching Allen and his exciting style for four years at super high profile Duke. And I never wavered in my support for him even through a few silly incidents which really weren't as awful as the press made them out to be.

    Kevin Huerter--Huerter put on a show. His 2.96 short shuttle, fastest at the combine, was off the charts. Great speed numbers too to go along with a 38" vertical. Has an exciting all around game. Much like Troy Apke caste football was likely the first media outlet to "alert" the public about his athleticism. Once again the national media pigeon holed him as a "classic white" stand still shooter which couldn't be further from the truth. He does however have a great long distance stroke. Huerter is just a sophomore and could sneak into the first round. Rumor has it he wants to stay in school one more year and jump up into a lottery pick. I hope that is true because that would be his best move by far in my mind. Unlike Wagner he has not hired an agent. One more year in college and he could end up being a top ten pick in 2019 plus we would get to enjoy him at Maryland for one more season.

    Donte D--The hero of the national Championship has continued his "hot" streak. Athletically he has few peers and was the best leaper at the combine with a 42 inch vertical. He can do a lot of things on a basketball court and already is NBA ready strength wise. His stock rose after a stellar combine so now the question is will he turn pro? If he was to come out next year he would be a lottery lock so in my mind one more year in college, like Huerter, is warranted. That said most think he will hire an agent and get selected in the mid latter half of the first round but not the lottery.

    Beyond the Combine two foreign players are expected to get selected in the first round. Highly advertised Luka Doncic is expected to be chosen first or second. Many of the reports on him have been stereotypical because they are downgrading his athletic ability big time. But he is playing at a high level on what is essentially a pro league in Europe and he is only 19!! And he seems like a pretty decent athlete to me.

    Another player to remember for the 1st round is Dzanan Musa, a quick tall shooting guard who can really score.

    If Donte D stays in the draft it looks like three white players will be chosen in the first round although someone like Allen or Wagner could sneak into the first round.

    As for the NBA Combine it was nice to see the five above displaying "caste busting" athleticism. Always a welcome sight!!!!
     
  13. Riggins44

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    Now that it is official that both Donte D and now Kevin Huerter are remaining in the draft it is time to reflect for a minute. Have to say I am surprised Huerter isn't going back to Maryland.

    As most probably know by now I am NO fan of white players declaring early and last year was a prime example of what happens to most of them when they do declare early. Tyler Lydon vanished and TJ Leaf barely saw the court. Luke Kennard played some but didn't make enough of a splash to warrant leaving Duke early. If he stayed at Duke he would have been a true college star. Then he could have declared as a junior.

    Only Lauri Markkanen showed real spark for a bad team. At the end of the day though if he had stayed at Arizona one more season I believe things would turn out even better for him in the long haul.

    Granted with more prominent white players in the mix the build up and draft night itself will be of greater interest to me and to fans here. Both Donte D and Kevin Huerter are betting on the notion they will be picked in the twenties, preferably between 20 and 25. Maybe even the late teens!! One more year in school would have likely vaulted both into the lottery. Neither player was projected much at all before the season and Huerter's athletic ability was first noted here at caste and it wasn't until the NBA Combine when the general media FINALLY had to admit he IS ATHLETIC!!

    And in an odd twist of fate these players may push both Grayson Allen and Mo Wagner into the second round. Both Allen and Wagner are listed as borderline late first early second round picks.

    The NBA is NOT NCAA Basketball. As much as there is a caste stream lining the way in the high school and the college ranks at least college players are involved with what we call a team.

    The NBA on the other hand is a WALK THE BLACK PLANK CLUB which makes it very difficult for white players to rise to the top. Unlike the past the NBA ruling class is almost exclusively black and when a white player does emerge of late he is usually playing for a bottom feeder team.

    The four years the mostly black Golden State Warriors have dominated has accentuated the point of black prominence in the league. Their coach Steve Kerr was one of the most caste laden announcers ever when he was on TV. I couldn't stand him then and still find him to be an asshole of the highest degree.

    The best way for whites to make real progress in the NBA is to increase their numbers in the league. Both Donte D and Huerter have the raw talent and the type of athletic ability to succeed under the right circumstances. They are still way to green in my book although one can say that about the bevy of black players who have declared early too. Only time will tell if they can work their way into stardom. We can only hope.
     
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    I subscribe to the argument that the best way to improve at basketball is to be a full-time professional. Going to class, practice restrictions, college coaching, and only playing 30 games per season doesn’t cut it. Grayson Allen would have been a lottery pick after his sophomore season. He would have 2 years of professional experience under his belt already. Now, he’ll be lucky to be a late first rounder and begin his racial apprenticeship. There is no credibility for White players to be college stars and not translate to the NBA (Tyler Hansbrough).
     
  17. celticdb15

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    I see the case for guys to stay in school but gotta say I lean more to what you're saying for the ELITE talents. I think the fact that many young white Euros turn pro in the Europe Leagues at a young age prepares them mentally and physically for the NBA. Case in point Doncic is 19, been a pro since he was 14! Played 35+mpg in Europe's toughest league this past year and may be NBA's number one pick.
     
  18. celticdb15

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    In other news Ethan Happ returns for his Senior Year! Excellent news for Badgers, him leaving would have had them heading towards a dreadful 2018 season.
     
  19. Shadowlight

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    The draft is just one week away. I was happy to see the NBA finals ratings took a nose dive. See below.
    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2018/06/11/espn-takes-massive-ratings-hit-as-nba-finals-crumble/

    Four straight years in a row with the same two teams where the outcome was pretty much preordained and people finally started to get bored. Even with "famous" Lebron James in the mix the series was a complete dud outside of controversial game one.

    Golden State is obviously a great team led by their caste infused asshole of a coach who has made it a point to sideline the few whites he has coached over the past few years.

    There were signs of slippage last year in the NBA as a whole and now it seems the slide is gaining momentum. My simple argument remains that there are not enough white "stars" in the NBA. Yes there are still white players but the majority of them are not stars. And too many are bench warmers.

    Unless the NBA starts featuring star white players I think the NBA will continue to lose fans, which is what I predicted a couple of years ago.

    This year's draft rates better than average and will be worth watching. I can't recall a draft with so many potential first round white "wing" players.

    So quickly the latest buzz points in the following direction.

    Expect Euro sensation Luka Doncic to be taken among the first 6 picks and as high as number 2.

    Both athletic early entries Donte D and Kevin Huerter are expected to go mid to mid late first round.

    Dzanan Musa is expected to go mid late to late first round but could still slip into the early second. I hope not. Could be a real sleeper. My guess is he gets selected in the first.

    Grayson Allen's arrow has been pointing up of late so many think he will get nabbed late in the first. This is an improvement from earlier forecasts but he still risks slipping out of the first.

    He has shown that he is a top fight athlete and as a mature 4 year player who graduated from a big time school with leadership skills I think he totally deserves to get chosen in the first round.

    The buzz around Mo Wagner has stagnated. He could still slip into the first but at this moment he looks like he will get picked early second. I am sure it has been mentioned here but Mo has a younger brother Franz who is eligible for the class of 2018 college wise. Reports suggest he has even more talent than Mo. So one to follow. About the same size as his big brother.

    Svi and two wing foreigners Kulboka and Kurucs look to be second round picks although some mocks don't have sharp shooting Svi being drafted but I suspect he will get nabbed by some team.

    So all in all should be an interesting night. I have seen worse draft set ups and next year could be awful but no need to worry about that right now. The current draft looks relatively exciting.
     
  20. white lightning

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    Luka Doncic was just drafted as the 3rd pick in the 1st round by the Atl. Hawks. There is a tentative
    trade to the Dallas Mavericks where he would get to play with the legend Dirk Nowitzki. I love this trade.
    I hope it gets approved shortly. At only 19 year of age, Luka should be a star for the next decade & beyond!
     
  21. celticdb15

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    Donte D to Milwaukee!
     
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    Yeah this will be a great trade for Doncic if it happens. Dirk could serve as his mentor for a year until he retires.

    Good to see Donte D get picked at 17. Let's hope a few more of our guys get picked in Round 1.

    And the Hawks choose Kevin Huerter at 19.
     
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    And the Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21! Make Utah White Again!
     
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    Moritz Wagner (Michigan) goes #25 to the L.A. Lakers
     
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    Mo Wagner picked 25 by the Lakers. Jay Bilas says he's "not a great athlete."
     

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