2016 NFL Week 16

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  1. Mablung

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    Clearly Zenner's best performance and on Monday Night Football no less. Hopefully for next week and next season this helps Zenner stay ahead of Dwayne Washington but next year he'll still be behind Abdullah and Riddick and thats if he doesn't have to compete with a newly drafted RB as well. I really believe Zenner has the goods and pray he'll get bumped up in the depth chart or another team takes a liking to him and grabs him in a year or two.
     
  2. Lew

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    Kaepernick has just as much white blood as either of those two and also scored much higher on the wonderlic than either one of them . And that didn't stop him from falling off a cliff once the league figured him out and the talent level around him dropped. The only reason for Prescott's success is because he plays on the most talented team in all of football . We know how the media loves to hype up quotabacks coming out of college, and he wasn't even good enough to get any of that hype his senior year . He was lucky to get drafted. Even the media and DWF called him the black Tebow, in a derogatory way of course . But now we're all supposed to believe he's a high level NFL starter.

    What's going on with Dallas is so much worse than what happened in SF with Alex Smith. Romo is being royally screwed. I'd rather see Seattle get to the super bowl this year than Dallas
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    What I wrote was that intelligence plays a "big factor" in the success of Wilson and Prescott. But, there are many 100 percent White quarterbacks who have failed miserably in the NFL. The quarterback position requires a combination of mental and physical abilities to be played successfully.

    Russell Wilson has been an excellent NFL quarterback. Dak Prescott has been terrific as a rookie starter. Neither is "lucky," they both took advantage of opportunity.

    Can we only defend White quarterbacks by never saying anything positive about black ones?

    It's about opportunity, and the NFL and big-time college football is all about giving abundant opportunities to blacks at every position, while denying fair opportunities to Whites at most positions. Give enough blacks (or anyone else) enough chances at something, and some will succeed. Give enough White running backs the chance to succeed in the big college football programs, and a majority of starting running backs will be White. It's about fairness and justice, at least trying as best as possible in a country obsessed with race, to have a level playing field when it comes to opportunity.
     
  4. Lew

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    I have a hard time saying anything nice about black players when most of them wouldn't even be in the league if not for their race. I actually like Wilson personally but there's no way he gets drafted if he's a 5'10 white quarterback. Dak Prescott wouldn't even have gotten a d1 scholarship if he were White

    And yes they are lucky, every black qb who has some level of success in the pros does so because they're lucky enough to get drafted on to great teams. You really don't think there are dozens of young white qb's rotting on benches and practice squads who couldn't take over for Prescott and do just as well? Would the Seahawks have been worse off 4 years ago if they stuck with Matt Flynn ? What if Anderson was starting for the Panthers instead of sCam ?

    When blacks succeed it's because the odds are stacked overwhelmingly in their favor. I mean look at the months long crusade the media went on to ensure Prescott remains the starter over Romo. I don't think they would have done that if Mark Sanchez were playing . When whites fail it's usually because the odds are stacked against them
     
  5. Don Wassall

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    To answer your three questions: 1. no, there's not. 2. yes. 3. wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl last year, or this year.
     
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    Great week! Aside from our individual players (Zenner, Theilen, Nelson, Olsen, Kelce), the Raiders were severely weakened with Carr's injury (helping the Pats), the Packers inexplicably fought their way back and are in position to win their division, the Pats are in a position to get a 1st round bye and home field, Seattle's inconsistency looms large (they could still clinch a 1st round bye, though unlikely), Cam missed the playoffs, the all-black Bills probably cost Rex Ryan his job, Mariotta is out for the Titans, etc.

    It would be amazing to see Edelman and Thielen reach 1,000 yards next week to close out what was a surprisingly great season for white players...despite the fact that our very best (Watt, Gronk, Decker, Woodhead) are on IR.

    Like most years, I'll be hoping for a Patriots-Packers Super Bowl. It never seems to happen.

    The great Christian McCaffrey should be drafted high in April and could be a day 1 starter at RB next September. Nightmarish times ahead for the caste NFL.
     
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    http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2016/12/zach_zenner_lions_find_running.html

    Lions "find" Zach Zenner. Rips it up in the first half and they give him TWO carries in the second.

    Media never questions why a team with no running game and a player who can clearly run the ball on the roster hasnt used him before now, "they found him out of nowhere", not "why has he been sitting on the bench all year!"
     
  9. Leonardfan

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    Nice to see Zenner have a good game on MNF. It was a nice cap to a good Christmas weekend of games for our guys.

    Just to add onto the comments between Don and Lew regarding Prescott and quotabacks at large. I think we can all agree that Wilson has done enough to establish himself as a good QB in the NFL. Personally I am not sold on Prescott having long term success just because more game film and tape will be available next year. I have said this before but the Cowboys offense due to design or lack of execution by the coal defenses in the NFL seem to allow for easy wide open throws for Prescott about 70% of the time it seems. Prescott was put into the ideal situation with one of the best offensive lines and a good running back to take pressure off of him. Not once have I seen him mentioned as a game manager. Time will tell with Prescott but once that offensive line starts missing pieces a better evaluation can be made of him. Let's not forget 2012 when the Gremlin and Toucan had strong seasons and were described as the evolution of the position and all that other nonsense. 4 seasons later and their careers are on life support.

    Scam has had a huge drop off from last year when he was the MVP and that is not being covered as it should. Jameezz [deleted] gets glowing media coverage even though he is turnover prone, nothing in Buffalo is the Idler Arms fault. I think that it is only natural to have some resentment towards success when we see our guys get screwed over year after year. The lack of racial fairness in the NFL, the media and the drunk white fan bases fuels a lot of my animosity personally and I would venture to say it does the same for alot of the CF members.
     
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  10. celticdb15

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    Dallas could be in trouble if LT Tyron Smith is indeed hurt, saw him hobbling around at end of the game last night. That would be a huge loss for Cowboys if he's out heading into crunch time and the playoffs!
     
  11. Don Wassall

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    I noticed that when Zenner was being used in the first half there were about 400 lurkers here, more than double the usual amount when NFL games are on. Could have been coincidence, but might have been more people than usual were interested in our comments about him running the ball well.
     
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    Lol at local Bmore sports radio DWF's calling in saying Jusicyck sp? should have took a knee at the 2 yard line instead of pounding it in for the Ravens touchdown
     
  13. Leonardfan

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    Just saw a tweet indicating that Whaley will lead the head coaching search...unreal. Expect a black head coach and another coal black draft under this black supremacist. I did my best on twitter to get the fire whaley message across but I guess it did not work. Black GMs seem to have the most secure job in the NFL.
     
  14. celticdb15

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    Whaley takes the cake for the most anti white bigot in the league. That's a hard task considering so many ******** vying for that position! I hope Buffalo continues to stink!
     
  15. Johnny_U

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    ....not to mention the best Oline in the league, a great run game to help him and a dumbed down short passing offensive scheme
     
  16. MrPoon

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    Zenner did great. Clearly the best Detroit running back. He should be a starter on half the teams in the league. I don't think he got a lot of carries in the second half because the Lions were down so far they had to pass to score. And they turned the ball over. Dallas had some long drives too. A shame Stafford and his receivers stunk...Zenner would have broken 100 yards easy if the passing game worked.
     
  17. Leonardfan

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    Yea he's a demented bigot - marred a white woman though - mudsharks gonna mudshark
     
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    Ugh! Why can't the Bills just show this idiot the door already?! You know just speaking on behalf of my Dolphin-fandom, I've always had a soft spot for the Bills. As I've mentioned many times before, my favorite football memories were those Dolphins/Bills shootouts from the early 90's. Even though we've had caste stooges like Nick Saban, Joe Philbin, Jeff Ireland and Mike Tannenbaum running this team, we at least have a couple of playoff appearances (in between being mired with losing seasons full of coal black teams) to show for it. The poor sad sack Bills haven't made the playoffs since 1999, yet this clown Whaley still miraculously keeps his job! What a joke!
     
  19. Lew

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    1. Really, there aren't tons of White bench warmers who couldn't go stand behind the best o-line in football, basically face no pass rush, and just throw a bunch of 5 yard passes to wide open receivers ? And you get to play with the leading NFL rusher. I don't understand what you think is so special about Prescott. He's black for christ's sakes, don't you think if he were any good at all that he would have been hyped to the moon coming out of college ? He wouldn't have been projected as a late rounder or UDFA

    2. In only his second career start in the league Matt Flynn threw for 480 yards and 6 touchdowns. I have trouble believing a guy like that wouldn't find success on a team with the best defense and best running back in the league.

    3. sCam's MVP season is turning out to be a huge fluke. It wasn't even that great if you go back and look at it by a game by game basis. 42% of his 35 touchdown passes came from three 5 td games. He played like his typical sCam self in almost every other game. This year he's playing at a historically bad level. I don't see why that team would be worse with Derek Anderson or Mike Glennon or Chase Daniel or a handful of any other under appreciated underutilized white quarterbacks. Anderson played pretty well for Carolina when sCam was out.

    Just so we're all on the same page when it comes to Wilson, he's a decent QB, but he wouldn't be in the league as a qb if he were White. He wouldn't even have been offered a D1 scholarship. Can you imagine how many thousands of immensely talented white high school quarterbacks there are who are under 6 feet tall ? These guys could be future superstars but they're told they have zero chance of making it past high school just because they're not 6'2. Do you have any idea how rare it is to be that tall, that's like the 95% percentile. So we're already eliminating 95% of the potential talent pool for white quarterbacks. Hey it doesn't matter if you're black though, none of those rules apply to you. You could be 5'8 and make it the NBA if you're black.
     
  20. Don Wassall

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    Matt Flynn had one great game, in Week 17 of 2011, the week that often produces some strange stat lines as various playoff teams bench some starters while other teams don't even try. Other than that he's been mediocre. I liked Flynn a lot at LSU, but he's a marginal NFL starter at best.

    Seattle's o-line has been pretty bad this year and their running game hasn't been anything special, yet Wilson is still playing well.

    I've been critical of Newton a lot. But is Derek Anderson a Super Bowl-quality quarterback? Other than one very good year with Cleveland, the answer is an obvious no.

    When you describe Prescott as doing nothing but throwing 5 yard passes, you're describing a lot of NFL offenses these days. And when Prescott does throw downfield he's been accurate most of the time. He's a rookie leading the best regular season team in the NFC, one that nobody predicted would be this good, yet you don't see a single positive quality about him. Let's turn the tables -- if this was a White rookie QB doing what Prescott is and a troll came on here who would only criticize him, you'd be one of the White rookie's biggest defenders.

    Prescott has been a big surprise, the best rookie quarterback in the league. Admitting that doesn't change how I feel about the Caste System at all. Never acknowledging when blacks do something well only diminishes Caste Football's ability to educate lurkers, fence sitters, and others who are beginning to see what we've known for a long time.
     
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    Lew, I agree with your points concerning Russell Wilson not being offered a D1 scholarship (or playing QB in the NFL) if he was white, but I believe the guy has real talent. He was essentially one play away from winning 2 consecutive Super Bowl rings (thankfully, he lost SB 49 to the lily-white Pats in one if the best football games ever played), something that very few white QB's have ever done in the era of free agency. In my opinion, the attribute that Wilson possesses that separates him from so many black QB's over the past 30 years is his unyielding composure. He's very even keel and rarely gets too high or low. Unfortunely, I see a similar quslities in Prescott and believe he could achieve analogous success.

    You're also correct that Wilson and Prescott play on very talented squads, but so did Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Big Ben when they had great success as rookies. At the time, we gave them credit nonetheless.
     
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    Lew, I think we have to give Wilson and Prescott a lil credit. Both came into the league with little fanfare, lucked onto good teams and have done their job. They also act maturely, show good leadership and to date have not engaged in TNB. Will the Tom Iron rule eventually prevail? Perhaps but for now there is not much to criticize.

    On Newton you are 100% correct. Other than running abilities, Cam has always been below average. Last year was an anomaly. This year he even has his top receiver Benjamin healthy and he's playing at historically bad levels. I believe he's both the most obnoxious and overrated in a league full of black narcissistic busts.
     
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    On Sunday night, how refreshing was it to hear weird uncle Al say Gronk and Kelce were the two best tight ends in the league? And in the next sentence say Greg Olsen is ranked right there with them.
     
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    Ironically the draft "experts" are lauding this class to be so deep at the TE position because there are so many "athletes" at the position aka black players at the position. I can't think of one dominant black TE in the NFL right now though.
     
  25. Lew

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    I get it, you're being fair, objective, reasonable, and honest. That's how you've been ever since I joined this site over 5 years ago. And I really appreciated it over the years. I always knew any time you said something positive about a black player or negative about a white player that I could take it to the bank. I looked at this site the same way the DWF look at ESPN. I've just grown tired of one side playing fair and by the rules and the other side cheating all the time. On every site, every channel, and every radio station I have to listen to non-stop propaganda hyping up blacks and tearing down whites. Why can't there be one place where we unabashedly hype up our side and tear them down all the time? Why do we have to be fair and reasonable? I want to come here and listen to people vent and even use slurs. I don't want to come here and read good things about quotabacks or bad things about white college basketball players, even if it's true. I get enough of that every other place I go including real life conversations with people.

    If you think it hurts us from a strategic point of view I don't think that's right. We're living in a time of extreme confirmation bias. If you're a conservative you go to Breitbart, if you're a liberal you go to Salon. You never see any pro trump articles on Salon and you'll never see any anti-trump articles on Breitbart. Now considering everything that's been going on lately with the rise of Trump and BLM and the Kaepernick protests this would be the perfect time to start taking our own side and throw objectivity out the window. For every fence sitting coward there are at least 10 people filled with rage and anger and they don't know where to direct it at, and they would probably love to join our side. That's why I joined. I didn't lurk or sit on the fence.
     

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