2011 Green Bay Packers

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  1. celticdb15

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    It looks like it will be sumo Newhouse at LT, Dietrich Smith at LG, Wells at Center, Sitton at RG, and Lang will move from left guard out to Right Tackle. As for who they move up who knows, it depends on if Bulaga and Clifton can make quick recoveries.
     
  2. celticdb15

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    The Packers were due for a loss. They have the chance to finish out the year strong and beat two division rivals to close out the year and have a first round bye locked up and home field advantage come playoff time! Nelson needs to have a big game and Driver and Finley need to first and foremost catch the ball with their hands. Too many dropped passes.
     
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    and after being disappointed in both Sherrod and Newhouse, they went out and got another black G/T in Herbert Taylor...
     
  4. referendum

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    This is very disappointing, as it shows that the overall trend of the Packers concerning their O-line is toward a the NFL norm, not back toward a Patriots or Colts direction.
     
  5. celticdb15

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    Good lord yet another sumo.. :thumbdown: Watching fatass DT Howard Green is already bad enough.
     
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  7. Don Wassall

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    I do an occasional search for Caste Football to see what shows up. There's an interesting topic on a site called community.sportsbubbler.com under its Packers Message Board. The name of the thread is "Is Ted Thompson a Racist?" and from the search results this site is mentioned, probably prominently, but I can never get that particular thread to open as it always times out. Do a search for caste football green bay packers ted thompson racist and it should show up at the top, at least it does on Google. If anyone can open that thread and link to it, it should make for interesting reading.
     
  8. celticdb15

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    [h=3]The makeup of the Packers[/h][TABLE]
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    [TD]Clay Matthews was a walk-on in college before becoming an all-pro with the Packers. (David Stluka/Associated Press/)[/TD]
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    It had been pointed out to me that the Packers' locker room is unique in that it is largely devoid of cliques, something you rarely see in the NFL. And so in my 10 days there recently, I tried to figure out how that came to be.

    CEO Mark Murphy gave me the best answer. He said that, by design, the roster that GM Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy have constructed is stocked with players who had been dismissed at one point or another on their road to Green Bay. Seems weird when you think about the Packers, with their core of 20-something stars that promise to keep this operation rolling for a long time to come.

    But it actually is true. Take their six Pro Bowlers from last year:
    » Greg Jennings: Lightly recruited out of Kalamazoo, Mich., Jennings stayed home for college, and went to Western Michigan. Starred there and was drafted in the second round in 2006.

    » Chad Clifton: Still a second-round pick, and has a good pedigree, as Peyton Manning's left tackle at Tennessee. But he did overcome a serious pelvic injury in 2002 and is a 12-year Packer staple.

    » Clay Matthews: Was a 170-pound high school safety who walked
    on at USC and worked his way into becoming a first-round pick. Didn't even start for the Trojans until his senior year.

    » Charles Woodson: Another one who came to the NFL with an unquestioned pedigree, but struggled mid-career, dealing with injuries as a Raider before being discarded, reluctantly heading to Green Bay.

    » Tramon Williams: Overlooked in favor of teammate Brandon Jacobs in high school, Williams walked on at Louisiana Tech and was cut by Houston in 2006 after getting a shot as an undrafted free agent.
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    » Nick Collins: Started his career at I-AA Bethune-Cookman as a linebacker, before switching to safety and playing his way into the second round of the 2005 draft.

    » Then, there's Aaron Rodgers, who wasn't a Pro Bowler last year, being edged out by Mike Vick, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. The quarterback was barely recruited at all coming out of high school, went to junior college, landed at Cal and dealt with the Brett Favre drama when he got to the NFL.
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    lmost everyone in the locker room has a story like that. The belief in Green Bay is that's why the team doesn't have a sense of entitlement, and it's no mistake the roster has been constructed this way.

    "Every decision that's made, when Ted and I sit around and talk about bringing a guy in during the draft or otherwise, the last thing that's always said is, 'How would he fit in the locker room?'" McCarthy told me, after I asked about that dynamic. "It's something we've really invested in since '06. We're really conscious of the people we bring in here. It's not just that they're all really good guys. We believe culture wins. People win, people lose. At the end of the day, it's about people."

    Those people just got done winning 19 games in a row. And when you really pore over the above, it's not really all that hard to see why none of it has gone to these players' heads
     
  9. Don Wassall

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    If the Packers don't keep him, watch Driver end up on some other team getting playing time over a better young White receiver.

    Donald Driver said Monday he has no intention of retiring. Driver tumbled down the Packers' depth chart this season, turns 37 next month and is due $5 million in salary and bonuses. He is unlikely to be back with the Packers. "Right now, I'm not ready to put the cleats up, so I guess I'll be going somewhere else to play," Driver said. He's spent 13 seasons with the Pack.
     
  10. jacknyc

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    Trade for some solid defensive player!
     
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    Rodgers couldn't hide his frustration with all the drops last night. He wasn't right on target as much as he usually is, but most of the throws were still catcheable. In his three years as a starter he has seen three or four games worth of all-pro calibre passes (many of them would have been TDs) bounce off or whistle right through his professional receivers hands. I think he's just about had it, and he's not the most diplomatic guy either. He's made subtle observations about Finley's work ethic in particular, and last night it seemed Finley had let his football catching skills erode during his time off. The noticeable blackening of the roster may well have had an effect on the overall team work ethic, and the Pack paid for it.
     
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    Finley has horrible hands. He's extremely over-rated, almost always mentioned among the "elite" tight ends in the league based solely on a few good games he had at the end of the 2009 season and into the playoffs that year. He's also regularly praised as a "phenomenal" athlete for reasons that escape me other than having the right colored skin. It's amazing how many blacks are supposedly wonderful athletes yet are incapable of producing at anything approaching the level that a great athlete should.

    If the Packers start next season not using Jordy on the outside on every play along with Jennings, and continue to try to force the ball to hands of stone Finley, washed up Driver (if he's still on the team), hands of stone Jones -- who was a free agent after the 2010 season but couldn't find a single team willing to sign him to starter's money -- and hands of stone Randall Cobb while Nelson remains a part-time player, it means that they're hopelessly committed to looking and acting like a typical NFL team over winning, when winning may mean having noticeably more White players than most teams.
     
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    Funny thing is that Finley wasn't hyped up like this when he was in college and during the draft. All this nonsense started during his pro career. Finley is a 4.85 guy and not a single scouting report was labeling him as athletic coming out of college. He's proven he has terrible hands but the one area scouts were praising him on was his "sure hands." That was supposed to his strong point. As soon as he played a few games in the NFL all the announcers were calling him very athletic and loads of other baloney. He's nowhere near as athletic as Gronkowski, Clark, and the other stud tight ends.
     
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    In over 50 years of watching football, I don't think I've ever seen receivers on the same team drop as many passes as Jones and Finley. Usually the drops are in key situations. Even wearing gloves, mind you, which they didn't have in the old days.
     
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    A smart GM can probably land Jared Crick in the 2nd round, especially since he was injured after around half-way point of the Husker's season, and was double-teamed the whole time before that. He would do wonders for the dismal Packers pass rush.
     
  16. celticdb15

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    I concur adding Crick would be an instant upgrade. I hope he has a good combine like Watt did last year :biggrin:
     
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    Although it is hard to argue with a 15-1 regular season, but there should be concerns in Green Bay. I see several critical flaws which will lead to their demise, if continued: The under-utilization of Jordy Nelson is criminal. The blackening of the defense was costly. The reliance on the belief that Jermichael Finley is an elite tight-end is ruinous. The drafting of sumo o-linemen is trainwreck waiting to crush Aaron Rodgers. The ill-fated move of sitting Aaron Rodgers for the entire week 17 game not only caused rust, but it gave super back-up Matt Flynn the opportunity to shine and now he will leave in free-agency.
     
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    I doubt it because of the injury, they took a guy named Harrel who had a back injury and he never panned out, he was injured more than Ed Reed. If they took Crick without a solid combine effort and a massive effort to prove his health Thompson would be roasted to high heaven. They need Justin Smith, when they lost Jenkins they lost the push on the right side which enabled average LBs at ROLB to get sacks and took the double teams from Clay. The Pack media is all up in arms over the pass rush failures and they are taking their cues from Woodson who has said the same all year long. And they need a pro bowl safety to replace Collins who has that black player neck injury thing.
     
  19. Don Wassall

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    Here's a couple blurbs from Weenieworld that shows how unsuccessful the Packers move toward sumos on the o-line was last season:

    Packers OT Marshall Newhouse allowed a team-high 10.5 sacks and 41.5 pressures in 2011. A fifth-round pick in 2010, Newhouse made 10 starts at left tackle and three at right tackle after not appearing in a game as a rookie. Although he did play better down the stretch, Newhouse's struggles could complicate the Packers' thinking on LT Chad Clifton, who is currently set to make $5.5 million during his age-36 season in 2012. If Clifton is released and Green Bay isn't ready to turn to Newhouse, RT Bryan Bulaga would likely be shifted to the blindside.

    According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, "there's no guarantee" Packers OT Derek Sherrod (broken leg) will be able to play in 2012. The Packers' 2011 first-round pick underwent emergency surgery after breaking his right tibia and fibula in Week 15. Sherrod's health coupled with Marshall Newhouse's inconsistent play could compel the Packers to retain aging and injury-prone LT Chad Clifton.

     
  20. FootballDad

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    Although a new thread for the 2012 Packers should be created, I didn't want to lead off the new thread with this piece of news.

    [h=1]Packers release veteran LT Chad Clifton[/h].....And his replacement according to the article is sumo Marshall Newhouse. The Packers white purge continues!
     
  21. wile

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    And their first udfa signing is the explosive Marc Tyler with a combine 4.72 and 30 vertical, jeezus this crap sucks.
     

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