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Jimmy Chitwood
01-28-2009, 04:39 AM
Arkansas high school football is yet another in the long list of states (I'd say about 50, give or take smileys/smiley2.gif ) that annually give lie to the notion that blacks are inherently superior to whites in the game of football. It's a little late in the year to talk high school, but I've been busy. So cut me some slack.

To begin this thread, I will explain the division system of Arkansas high schools, and then list and describe the state championship teams at the various levels. I'm guessing it won't be a surprise to anyone here at Caste Football how the demographics of a successful team look ...

Arkansas has six divisions, based on school enrollment, that play football in the state. The largest division is 7A, going down to the smallest, 2A. Class 1A includes schools that are too small to offer football. Private schools are forced to play up in size, meaning that they are placed in one division higher than their enrollment would dictate. (It is said they recruit, but they inevitably are all-white schools so is that even possible?)

The Class 7A (the 16 largest schools in the state) state champion, was all-white Bentonville. Considered by many to be the best overall team in Arkansas, Bentonville comfortably defeated racially diverse and pre-season #1 pick Southside (Fort Smith) in the championship contest, led by dynamic senior cornerback/return man Chase Baggett.

In Class 6A (the next 16 largest schools) all-white Lake Hamilton defeated nearly all-back El Dorado to win the state championship in a near-blowout. Lake Hamilton senior quarterback Phillip Butterfield, one of the best talents in the state, earned championship game MVP honors, passing for 140 yards and two touchdowns. Butterfield also rushed for 147 yards and two scores AND intercepted a late El Dorado pass to seal the victory. Senior receiver/safety Josh Proffit had 84 yards receiving, two touchdowns, and four pass break-ups to aid in the victory.

Class 5A (the next 32 largest schools) saw a match-up between what many claimed were the best two teams in the state: all-white private school Pulaski Academy and all-black Helena-West Helena Central. It was a game of momentum shifts and gritty performances, with Pulaski Academy overcoming injuries and a severe flu bug (resulting in vomiting and severe dehydration throughout the game) to key players and with Helena battling back from a large deficit. In the end, PA avenged its one loss of the season (to Helena in Week 1 of the season) and emerged victorious. Senior receiver Carson McKnight caught six passes for 100 yards in the first half, but injured his leg on the first play of the second half. Senior quarterback Spencer Keith, a finalist for the State Farm Awards Class 5A Offensive Player of the Year, ran for 87 yards and a touchdown, twice turning third and long situations into fourth and 1. Keith also completed 20 of 41 passes for 244 yards and a pair of touchdowns.

Class 4A saw all-white private school Shiloh Christian continue its tradition of dominance. The only Arkansas high school ranked nationally (#52 Prep, #99 Rivals, #24 Vype) and arguably the best overall team in the state despite being a small Christian school, Shiloh destroyed all-black Dollarway, 42-18, to win the state championship. The 24-point margin of victory was the narrowest to a 4A opponent all season; Shiloh had beaten every other Class 4A opponent by at least 35 points, including playoff wins over all-white Clarksville 84-14 in the second round, mostly-black Lonoke 47-7 in the quarterfinals and all-black Osceola 51-12 in the semifinals. Shiloh Christian's only loss on the season was to fellow nationally-ranked Evangel Christian (Shreveport, Louisiana) in their opening game.

Class 3A saw two undefeated teams enter the contest: nearly all-white Fountain Lake with one of the most dominant rushing attacks in state history, and all-white Charleston, led by one of the most versatile talents in the state. In the end, Fountain Lake's one-dimensional ground game wasn't enough to keep up with Charleston's quarterback/cornerback, senior Jordan Shelby. Shelby threw for 280 yards and 2 touchdowns, and ran for 93 yards and 2 more scores en route to being named game MVP. All-white Charleston ended the season a perfect 14-0, while Fountain Lake fell one game short, 13-1.

In the state's smallest football classification, 2A, undefeated and mostly-white Des Arc (13-0) faced off with undefeated and mostly-black Junction City (12-0), a traditional power. In what was easily the closest championship game of the year, defense reigned supreme. Des Arc mustered just 166 yards of offense, including only 36 rushing yards, while Junction City managed a meager 209 yards and only 36 passing yards. The game was decided by a Junction City field goal as time expired to give Junction City a 10-8 victory.

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This is obviously just one year, but what an unusual year it must be for those folks who claim that blacks have a vastly superior amount of talent. Out of 6 state championship games, only one majority black team prevailed, and even it was a narrow thing born of a miracle finish. Meanwhile, five all-white teams emerged victorious. Furthermore, of the four teams in the argument to be the state's overall best, three were all-white, all won state championships, and one defeated the best all-black team in the championship game.

How can this be?!?

In the next few days, I will post about some of the numerous talented white players who dominated high school football in Arkansas this year, many helping lead their team to championship game victories on all-white rosters. Sadly, most of them are being bypassed by collegiate scouts (and the accompanying scholarships) who favor their less talented, but blacker, peers.

Apparently winning isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood

ToughJ.Riggins
01-29-2009, 01:21 AM
Thanks for the write-up. I will look forward to reading this tomorrow night when I have time. JC wasn't Derek Lawson who plays for Arkansas State and has looked very good from Arkansas? Hopefully a lot of these players will be recruited to play in state like Lawson was.

Riddlewire
01-29-2009, 02:34 AM
Hopefully a lot of these players will be recruited to play in state like Lawson was.
Well, I don't know which players Jimmy will be writing about, but I can already provide an answer to this one (assuming you're talking about D1A).
Petrino doesn't want them. Not the ones who play the positions we covet, anyway. He offered one receiver from in-state, and even that was under questionable circumstances. Arkansas produces multiple white QBs each year that have tons of experience running an offense similar to what Petrino does at Arkansas, but he doesn't seem to care about any of them (although I lay the blame for this at the feet of his black recruiting coordinator, who just scared away the only white QB recruit for this year, if current reports are to be believed). The most skilled and experienced receivers in spread offenses in Arkansas are all white. But Petrino doesn't want them, either. Runningback? Forget about it. Most of the high school coaches here won't let a white player line up at tailback, even at all-white (practically) schools. There are some great ones in the state (Davis at Fountain Lake has the moves of McGuffie), but they get no coverage at all, and Petrino loves those Rivals star ratings.
As for ASU, Steve Roberts has it pretty rough. Recruiting to a school that most people think is DivIII is not easy. They currently have ten commits, and they'll fill the rest up on signing day. That's pretty common. Roberts has never shown any consistent trends regarding Caste-type recruiting. Although he's under pressure from the boosters to rack up those stars. And when it comes to Arkansas high schoolers, that's just never going to be any white players. As far as offensive/defensive skill players from in-state that are committed to ASU, only two are white (and only if you count 'kicker' as an offensive skill player). But, again, the signing class isn't even half full yet.
Now, if only care that the good white players from the state get to play football ANYWHERE, then the news is much better. Most of them can get scholarships to the DivII schools in Arkansas. Although that bastard Conque at UCA won't take them.

Ok, end of an unrequested lengthy post.
But there is one more thing I want to mention.
Every friday during football season, the Rivals representative for the state of Arkansas shows up on the major sports talk radio show to talk recruiting and take questions. He's a pretty good source of information if you want to know what goes on inside the minds at Rivals. I'm pretty sure their "system" operates from a playbook. Kinda like door-to-door salesmen who are given a pamphlet on "best practices" for selling vacuum cleaners. By listening to him, I've learned a lot about the tendencies of Rivals when it comes to scouting players and schools. And from what I can tell, it's exactly as bad as we all fear.

Jimmy Chitwood
01-30-2009, 04:34 AM
JC wasn't Derek Lawson who plays for Arkansas State and has looked very good from Arkansas? Hopefully a lot of these players will be recruited to play in state like Lawson was.

yes, Derek Lawson played in Arkansas. in his first year as a tailback (his senior year), Lawson broke a rushing record that was said to be unbreakable, yet his ONLY D-I scholarship offer was from Arkansas State. meanwhile, Arkansas (Fayetteville) targeted numerous black backs who had the complete trifecta in comparison to Lawson: they were smaller, slower, AND far less productive. i don't have the words to describe how wrong that is.

also, everything Riddlewire said in his above post is absolutely correct.

in a situation that is too screwed up for me to comprehend, you will be able to count the number of white skill position players from Arkansas who will earn D-I scholarships on one hand. smileys/smiley11.gif smileys/smiley7.gif smileys/smiley5.gif

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in my list of talented white players, i won't mention many (if any) white linemen. several of them still garner plenty of recruiting interest, and there are lots of them around the state. what's "funny" is that many of the white linemen who get scholarships played at all-white schools and are the only white kids in school history to get offered. however, if a rare black skill position kid played there and was any good at all, he inevitably gets multiple offers. i could provide numerous examples of this, but i won't get into it.

also, i'm sure i'll miss some very good players, but i'm going to try and list only the most gifted white kids i know about, those who would have multiple big-time schools in pursuit of their services if they had blacker skin.

making this list is damn frustrating.

Jimmy Chitwood
01-30-2009, 06:31 AM
Unless otherwise noted, all the players I mention from here on out are seniors in 2008-09.

I'll start off talking about some players from 5A state champion Pulaski Academy. I had the chance to see them play multiple times this fall, and they looked like the old BYU teams, only with a better defense.

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5A state champions Pulaski Academy

Tailback D.J. Daniel (6-0, 185, reports vary on his speed from the high 4.4's to the low 4.5's) rushed for 1,677 yards and 14 touchdowns while averaging 7.8 yards-per-carry as the lone back in a spread offense. He also caught 89 balls for 1,042 yards and 14 touchdowns. He averaged 197.8 all-purpose yards-per-game. He was an All-State performer.

Daniel plays very similarly to Florida's Percy Harvin. Is he a wide receiver with tailback skills, or is he a tailback who can run routes and catch like a wide receiver? Though Daniel isn't an elite sprinter like Harvin, he actually was more productive at the high school level.

But while Harvin was recruited by every big time D-I school in the nation and considered an elite recruit, Daniel hasn't been offered a single Division I scholarship.

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D.J. Daniel walks in for the score in the title game

Wide receiver Carson McKnight (6-0, 185, officially runs a 4.5) caught 130 balls for 1,897 yards. He led the state in both categories, and he is only the second player in Arkansas high school history to catch at least 130 passes in a single season. (Not coincidentally, the other was also a white receiver who didn't get a scholarship offer from anyone.) McKnight also totaled 18 touchdown receptions and averaged 135.5 receiving yards-per-game en route to being named an All-State performer.

McKnight hasn't been offered a single Division I scholarship.

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Carson McKnight being "covered" by the nation's best, Darius Winston. Notice he "only" got about 8 yards of separation.

Here is a brief highlight video for Daniel and McKnight and some comments from their head coach. (http://www2.arkansasonline.com/videos/2008/dec/03/3357/?template=hsfootball) Please notice how physically young the two players appear (indicating they both have a lot of upside), and also how the head coach modestly under-estimates McKnight's speed. Black defensive backs did the same thing all year, to their regret.

Wide receiver Neal Barlow (http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=3385180) (6-6, 205, 4.6) is the only white skill position player in the state to get a scholarship offer from the University of Arkansas. He caught 96 balls for 1,512 yards, and 23 touchdowns (which led the state). Much like NFL wideout Drew Bennett, Barlow is faster than he is quick, and runs by people on deep routes. Barlow is literally a huge mismatch downfield and on jump balls. Here are some highlights that show what I'm talking about. (http://www2.arkansasonline.com/videos/2008/aug/16/2679/) It will be interesting to see if he remains a wideout at Arkansas or if he is bulked up to play tight end (like current Razorback Ben Cleveland, a similar player whose career has been devastated by injuries after he was forced to put on too much weight). Barlow was named an All-State performer, and was named to the AP Arkansas Super Team (22 position players and 3 all-purpose players) as a receiver.

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Neal Barlow is a big target

Quarterback Spencer Keith was honored as the State Farm Award class 5A Offensive Player of the Year. Keith won the award after breaking the Arkansas state record for passing yards in a season with 5,310 while leading the Bruins to the 08-09 state championship. Keith also received the Most Valuable Player award for the 5A State Championship game. On the year, he completed 63.4% of his passes and threw 70 touchdowns to just 24 interceptions. He also ran for 296 yards and 7 touchdowns. He was an All-State performer, and was named to the AP Super Team as a quarterback.

While I personally feel he put up such huge numbers because of all the dynamic weapons he was throwing to (much like Danny Weurffel at Florida so many years ago) and lacks the physical tools to play at a high-level D-I school, it is somewhat befuddling that Keith has not yet received a single scholarship offer to play anywhere.

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record-setting quarterback Spencer Keith

Pulaski Academy had a tremendous, gang-tackling defense. However, there is one defensive player who was simply record-breaking good:

Defensive end Zeke Tanner (6-0, 235) had 54 tackles-for-loss and 28 sacks on the year. Both shattered the state record. He recorded his 20th sack in the last game of the regular season to break the previous record of 19. He went on to record 8 more sacks in the playoffs. Tanner, who would project as an outside linebacker at the collegiate level, also forced 5 fumbles, recovered 3 fumbles, and intercepted a pass. Tanner was one of three finalists for the State Farm Award class 5A Offensive Player of the Year, but didn't win. He was an All-State performer, and was named to the AP Super Team as a defensive end.

Tanner hasn't been offered a single Division I scholarship.

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Zeke Tanner (right) and his younger, but bigger, brother Dirk, who is a very good sophomore.

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Now, I want you to take the following into consideration. Pulaski Academy made it to the state championship game with only two D-I scholarship players (Barlow, and o-lineman Austin Noonan, who is headed to Army after being ignored by the Razorbacks). They were matched up against all-black Helena-West Helena and the state's most hyped, and highly rated, player: Darius Winston. He is the #3-rated cornerback in the nation. Here's a blurb on him and his team:


(Helena-West Helena's) Darius Winston reports 30 scholarship offers from the likes of Arkansas, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, LSU, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and others. Winston is great in coverage, he is explosive, he has great hips, he is aggressive, he is considered a very good tackler, he has blazing speed and is considered a 'big' cornerback.

He is one of six very good senior prospects out of Helena-West Helena Central High School. He had another fantastic season and helped lead Helena to the state championship game. He made the cut for the US Army All-America Bowl Game.

So Helena has six D-I signees in its senior class alone, and P.A. has a total of just two. Now let's take a look at the stats of the championship game and see how the two teams did.

Pulaski Academy mustered 446 yards of offense to West Helena's 219.

P.A. was forced into three turnovers (two interceptions and a fumble), while Helena was forced into four (two interceptions and two fumbles).

Non-scholarship-worthy receiver Carson McKnight had 6 catches and 100 yards receiving at halftime, being covered man-to-man by the aforementioned "phenom" Darius Winston. McKnight was injured on the first play of the second half. Neal Barlow, despite a severe flu and severe dehydration, caught 6 passes for 63 yards and 2 touchdowns.

Also battling a severe flu and severe dehydration, non-scholarship-worthy tailback D.J. Daniel had 23 carries for 87 yards and a touchdown, and 4 catches for 13 yards. Helena's entire backfield with all its "speed" managed just 80 total rushing yards and two touchdowns.

Non-scholarship-worthy quarterback Spencer Keith was 21 of 42 for 256 yards and 2 touchdowns with two interceptions through the air, and ran for 91 yards and a touchdown on 14 carries.

Non-scholarship-worthy defensive end/linebacker Zeke Tanner had 3 sacks, 6 tackles-for-loss, and a fumble recovery.

Oh, and just for kicks, offensive lineman Austin Noonan gave up ZERO total tackles or sacks to the #3-rated player in Arkansas (and #20 defensive end in the nation), black defensive end Eric Smiley. Smiley has a scholarship to Ole Miss.

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Austin Noonan (74) owned Eric Smiley all night.

It is very clear, of course, that scholarships are given out based strictly on merit. Skin color has nothing at all to do with it. Right? smileys/smiley2.gif

Colonel_Reb
01-31-2009, 09:17 PM
Great thread JC! To help put this info into perspective, your readers should know that about 68% of the overall student population (not just public high schools) of Arkansas in 2006-2007 was white. The rest were 23% black, 8% mexican, 1% asian, and less than 1% native American.


http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/ar/district_profile/69#s (http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/ar/district_profile/69#students) tudents

Colonel_Reb
01-31-2009, 11:30 PM
A couple of years before that data was collected, I remember that Arkansas public high schools were roughly 55% white and 45% black. The mexican population, like thatof several Southern states, has increased dramaticallyover the last few years.

ToughJ.Riggins
02-01-2009, 01:05 AM
I think maybe JC's thread could be an article for the homepage? It could be called "A look at Arkansas H.S Football Brings Proof of a Caste System".

It's baffling that D.J Daniel and especially Carson McKnight were snubbed by Div. IA. Carson got open consistently against the 3rd ranked CB in the nation in the biggest game of the year and runs an official 4.5; yet gets no interest. smileys/smiley7.gif I am literally so sick of this. Rivals and ESPN are the biggest enemies this nation has as far as building a fair society.

I just checked the 2010 ESPN 150 Watch List and that "vermin of a man" (or should I just say leech) Tom Luginbill has one white WR out of about 45 or so WRs on the list. He has zero white tailbacks out of about 45 and a mere 4 white Athletes on the list; two projected to play LB by Rivals already in college, one a Safety by Scout and one a running QB.

Now lets take a look at a black kid on the ESPN 150 Watch List: Andrew Carswell is a 6'4 WR who ran a pathetic 4.97 40 yard dash at the Scout.com Nike Combine. How about 6'3 WR John Harris running a 4.73 40 yard dash and pathetic 7.64 3-cone; he's also on the 150 Watch List.

Then there is RB James Hall from this year's class; although he wasn't ranked that high by any service this kid is a tiny 5'7 170 lbs. running a mere 4.74 40 yard dash for his small stature. Also he is from the football non-powerhouse state of New Mexico. But he has an in state New Mexico State scholarship offer.

His stats are good, but you can bet if this kid were white he'd be very lucky to get even an FCS offer. Just look at the case of Shad Bride if you don't believe it. Shad was the top RB statistically in Arizona and runs a 4.55 and is much bigger than Hall. Shad is definitely a better prospect and gets nothing. smileys/smiley7.gif smileys/smiley7.gif smileys/smiley7.gif Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

Jimmy Chitwood
02-03-2009, 02:32 AM
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6A state champions, Lake Hamilton.

Lake Hamilton had a trio of offensive weapons who were every bit as good as Pulaski Academy's four.

Fortunately, the caste system still allows white quarterbacks to get noticed for stellar performance and outstanding physical attributes. Lake Hamilton quarterback Phillip Butterfield ( http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=3603058) is going to Arkansas State University after a record-setting high school career.

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Butterfield started every game of his high school career and led Lake Hamilton to back-to-back state championship games, winning as a senior. The most prolific passer in Lake Hamilton history with 6, 937 career yards, Butterfield threw for 2,761 yards and 22 touchdowns as a senior to go along with 462 yards rushing and 15 more touchdowns. Like all great quarterbacks, he came up big in his team's biggest games. Butterfield threw for 140 yards and 2 touchdowns, ran 15 times for 147 yards and 2 more touchdowns, and with 1:30 left in the game, he intercepted a pass in the endzone to seal the victory. Named the Little Rock Touchdown Club's 6A Offensive Player of the Year, Butterfield was also named to the AP Arkansas Super Team as an All-Purpose player in addition to being named an All-State performer.

Regarded by most as the top quarterback in the state, Butterfield originally committed to Tulsa but later backed out and is now committed to Arkansas State. Arkansas didn't offer him, but at least he's playing D-I, unlike his two talented receivers.

Wide receivers Josh Proffitt and Tauno Vannucci are both 2-time All-State performers, and were named the starting wideouts on the Vype All-Central Arkansas team this season. Vannucci and Proffitt are very similar players, both in build and performance. Vannucci is slightly taller and thinner (6-2, 175) than Proffitt (6-1, 180), though both have 4.5 speed and are equally outstanding as defensive backs. Vannucci plays cornerback, and Proffitt is primarily a safety.

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Tauno Vannucci (left) and Josh Proffitt

Another thing the duo has in common is their complete rejection by Division One football programs despite having ideal size and speed for the wide receiver position, as well as dominant on-field production.

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Vannucci finished the season with 60 catches for 997 yards and 10 touchdowns, bringing his career total at Lake Hamilton (in just two seasons) to 95 catches for 1,778 yards, and 16 touchdowns.

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Proffitt set a school record as a junior in '07 for receiving yards with 976 yards on just 45 catches for 11 touchdowns. He broke that record this year with 1,003 yards on just 47 catches for 11 more touchdowns, two of which came in the state championship game. You can do the math for his two-year total.

You can see Tauno Vannucci's junior year highlights here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsPJny_vTZE) Josh Proffit's highlights from a couple of early games this season can be found here. (http://www2.arkansasonline.com/videos/2009/jan/02/3394/?template=hsfootball)

Unlike many talented white kids in Arkansas, at least these two will get scholarships, albeit to lower division schools. Proffitt will be playing college ball at Southern Arkansas University, in the Gulf South Conference. Vannucci has committed to the University of Central Arkansas, which very rarely recruits white skill position guys.

Lake Hamilton has a history of producing talented football players who get bypassed by D-I programs. In the class of 2008, All-State cornerback Cole Lorigan didn't get a single scholarship offer, despite giving up only 3 completions all season and being a dynamic return man.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-03-2009, 03:44 PM
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The 7A state champion Bentonville Tigers had an abundance of talented players. Their talent, depth, and balance made them successful, but it prevented most of their players from putting up huge numbers. However, two seniors still shone bright.

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Erik Ragsdale breaking through tacklers

Linebacker/strong safety Erik Ragsdale (6-1, 195, 4.7) was awesome on both sides of the ball, a rarity in the state's largest classification. Ragsdale, the MVP of the State Championship, played with a determination to win that the rest of the team fed off of while watching the senior shed tackler after tackler all the way to the Class 7A crown.

In the state championship game, Ragsdale ran for game-highs of 125 yards and three touchdowns (one a 90-yarder that can be seen on this short championship game video ( http://www2.arkansasonline.com/videos/2008/dec/06/3367/?template=hsfootball)) on just 11 carries. Ragsdale also intercepted a pass late in the first half that set up a field goal.

In spot duty as a tailback this season, Ragsdale rushed for 800 yards and 15 touchdowns on 107 carries. On defense, the versatile athlete completely dominated with 135 tackles, 6 interceptions (one returned for a touchdown), 3 sacks, and 2 blocked punts.

Ragsdale was an All-State performer, was named to the AP Arkansas Super Team as a linebacker, and was the Vype Western Arkansas Player of the Year. He doesn't have a single scholarship offer from anywhere.

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Chase Baggett returns an interception

Cornerback Chase Baggett (5-10, 175, 4.7) was brilliant as a cover corner and kick/punt returner while coming up with a big play seemingly every time Bentonville needed one.

In the State Championship, besides locking down Southside receiver Chase Dixon from his position at cornerback for the second time this season (Bentonville played Southside in conference action), Baggett made another big play. The play.

Or two plays. Whatever. "Big Play" Baggett made good things happen.

Bentonville was reeling when he blocked an extra point attempt that kept the Tigers ahead, 19-13. He then returned the ensuing kick 61 yards to set up what proved to be the game-winning touchdown.

During their first match-up of the season, Bentonville's Baggett helped pick off then-top-ranked Fort Smith Southside during a 14-7 win. Literally. Baggett had three interceptions in the upset for the then-No. 2 Tigers. His second interception led to what proved to be the game-winning touchdown and his third interception came late in the fourth quarter to help seal the victory. "He's a very good corner," said Bentonville coach Barry Lunney Sr. "I know a lot of times, receivers look out there as a mismatch because he's not real tall, but he's got a good vertical. One of the things about Chase is he can turn and jump and elevate, and some guys can't do that, even bigger guys. When we looked at him, I think that's what we saw. He just kept making plays."

While his timed speed isn't phenomenal, opposing coaches learned to their detriment that he plays faster on the football field than he does on a stopwatch. "Every time you thought you had him in a bad match-up or situation, you couldn't take advantage of him," said rival Fayetteville head coach Daryl Patton, "He didn't get beat deep. And the kicking game, that's another area he was a big, big threat." Not coincidentally, Fayetteville passed for a season-low 101 yards when they played Bentonville.

Baggett averaged 30 yards-per-kick return, including a 99-yard touchdown in the second round of the playoffs, while finishing the season with 8 interceptions (third most in the state) despite most teams trying to throw away from him. He also had 39 solo tackles (60 total), 6 pass break-ups, and recovered 3 fumbles (1 returned for a touchdown).

In addition to being named an All-State performer, Baggett was named the Little Rock Touchdown Club 7A Player of the Year ( http://cfc.katv.com/external.cfm?p=lrtouchdown) (just click on his name to see some highlights), the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette Defensive Player of the Year, and the Vype Most Dynamic Player of the Year.

Despite all the accolades, he hasn't been offered a scholarship to play anywhere.

A player to keep an eye on is Bentonville junior running back Shane Boedeker (5-11, 175, 4.5). Boedeker led the Tigers in rushing this year (his first as a starter) with 1,210 yards and 11 touchdowns. As of yet, no colleges have shown interest in him, either.

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Shane Boedeker leaves a defender in his wake

Colonel_Reb
02-03-2009, 03:53 PM
Good stuff JC! smileys/smiley32.gif

johnnyboy
02-04-2009, 12:28 AM
Jimmy,

this stuff is priceless man. this is a monumental article/post for this website and this cause.

God Bless

Electric Slide
02-04-2009, 03:53 AM
Jimmy, have you considered starting a blog specifically about high school football? From my understanding it is not too hard to do, and it can have it's own domain name and such. It seems like you combine the stats with just the right amount of commentary and appropriate links that would easily capture a lot of people's interest. I think a lot of high school kids would look at a high school specific blog, and it can have "friends" links to castefootball as well as the myspace page.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-06-2009, 06:40 PM
thanks for the kind words, gentlemen. smileys/smiley1.gif

Electric Slide, i have actually thought about it. and not just one for high school football, but college basketball and football, as well. unfortunately, it would take a lot of time i don't have. and while posting info for Caste Football is a work of love, it doesn't pay the bills. so unless i could make enough to live on, i don't see it happening any time soon.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-06-2009, 06:42 PM
"Somehow" State Champion and nationally ranked Shiloh Christian completely dominated Arkansas football like no other team this season. Why did I put "somehow" in quotation marks? Because Shiloh only had one player sign a scholarship to play college football at any level. O-lineman/d-lineman Nick O'Quinn (6-2, 265) signed to play D-I football at Arkansas State.

And while it's true that Shiloh Christian was an incredibly young team, this still stretches the limit of legitimacy. That is, of course, if football recruiters are color blind.

The cupboard is far from bare for the Saints, however, as they have an abundance of gifted underclassmen returning. The most notable are sophomore lineman Samuel Harvill (6-1, 250, 4.8), sophomore tailback/free safety Garrett Harper (5-10, 175, 4.5), and sophomore o-lineman Travis Bodenstein (6-4, 290).

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Harvill is simply an athletic beast (http://www.samuelharvill53.com/Home.html). He has the world bench press record for his age (500 pounds), can rep 225-pounds 42 times, squats 550 pounds, and can run a 4.8 40. He was Schuman's National Underclassmen Combine Overall MVP last summer, an AP Arkansas Super Sophomore, and Arkansas Sophomore Defensive Player of the Year. He is simply incredible.

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Harper was the Team MVP of the 13-1 State Champions. He led the team in receiving yards and tied for the lead in receiving touchdowns (24 catches for 558 yards and 6 touchdowns) while rushing for 392 yards and 5 touchdowns on just 50 carries. He was an AP Arkansas Super Sophomore.

Bodenstein was the only sophomore to crack the AP Arkansas Super Team, composed of the state's top players regardless of class. He has already been offered a scholarship to Tulsa.

Other underclassmen that should draw recruiters to Shiloh Christian include sophomore wide receiver Zann Jones (6-0, 180, 4.65), junior center Josh Salsbury (6-0, 245, AP Super Sophomore in '07), junior linebacker Mitchell Roberts (6.2, 220. 4.8, already has offer from Tulsa as an H-back), sophomore wide receiver Jon Hawes (6-3, 200, 4.7), and junior wide receiver/cornerback Jake Ryan (5-10, 160, 4.5).

To put the caste system in perspective yet again, Shiloh plays two quarterbacks and both are sophomores. The only black kid on the team is one of them, and he already has a D-I scholarship offer. Black sophomore Kiehl Frazier (6-2, 195, 4.7) got more snaps, but split time with white sophomore David Matthews (5-10, 160, 4.7). Frazier went 74-115 passing for 1,069 yards, 13 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions. Matthews threw 46-78 for 1,082 yards, 13 touchdowns, and only 1 interception. Frazier ran more times for more yards (actually, due to getting more snaps ran 10 times as much and totaled 12 touchdowns to Matthews 1), but Matthews had the higher yards-per-carry average. One of these guys has scouts drooling, the other is looking at a future not involving football.

The numbers make it pretty clear, eh? No, not really.

Shiloh has a really sweet website (http://www.shilohchristianfootball.com/), if you want to check it out.

johnnyboy
02-07-2009, 06:58 AM
Garrett's Youtube Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptVaewKizt4)

Hey Jimmy,

i found this highlight video of Garrett. i had posted it back in Nov. 07 but then i couldn't find more info on the kid. its great to see he's kicking butt.

Colonel_Reb
02-08-2009, 08:24 PM
JC, I posted your original post on the CF myspace page, just so you know.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-10-2009, 08:14 PM
thanks, Colonel and johnnyboy. smileys/smiley1.gif

I think the point has been made about the big schools in Arkansas by now, so from here on out I'll be focusing on individual players.

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Versatile Charleston quarterback/defensive back Jordan Shelby (5-9, 160, 4.58) could project as a tailback, slot receiver, or cornerback at the college level.

In his first year at quarterback, Shelby not only led his team to an UNDEFEATED SEASON and a State Championship, he rushed for 1,500 yards, passed for 1,340 yards, and accounted for 36 total touchdowns. (He led his team in receiving a year ago.)

Like all great players, he played his best in the biggest games. Shelby ran for 172 yards and 2 touchdowns and threw for another TD in a 27-20 state tournament semi-final win over Lamar. Shelby then won MVP of the State Championship game, going 8-13 passing for 280 yards and 2 touchdowns and running 16 times for 93 yards and 2 more touchdowns.

In addition to being the state championship MVP, he was named the State Farm 3A Offensive Player of the Year and was even better on the defensive side of the ball, where he was named to the AP Arkansas Super Team as a defensive back.

He wasn't offered a scholarship offer from anyone at any level.

ToughJ.Riggins
02-11-2009, 01:26 AM
I think it's usually an easier switch for a running QB to play tailback than WR (IMO that is definitely what Eric Crouch should have been tried at in the NFL if QB didn't work out, not WR); although you said this kid also has had receiving work in this case.

I have never seen the guy play, but he must be very athletic to accomplish what he has.

A 4.58 40 time for an FBS starting CB isn't all that special, but it's good enough; it sounds like this guy could at least make a good mid-major FBS starter with his all round ability and accomplishments. Any highlights of him? I'm guessing he's very agile.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

Jimmy Chitwood
02-11-2009, 03:11 AM
sorry, Tough. i don't have any video of him. i actually called his coach today to confirm my information, and he was COMPLETELY BAFFLED at the lack of interest in Shelby. the coach simply couldn't believe this kid didn't even get an offer from a small in-state school!

and as for his 40 time, you are absolutely correct. it's not phenomenal, but it's certainly good enough to play D-I.

the reason he's been ignored, of course, is as simple as black and white. smileys/smiley7.gif

maybe his head coach should artificially lower his time like they do with so many black players... otherwise, how is it possible for these entire recruiting classes for teams to run sub-4.4s then run 4.6s and 4.7s 4-5 years later at their Pro Days.

the drunk white fans are so f-ing stupid to keep believing that crap.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-11-2009, 03:12 AM
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Taylor Genz tailback/wide receiver/defensive back (6-1, 175, 4.51 laser-timed 40) from West Fork was "THE" guy on an otherwise terrible team. He had a quarterback that couldn't throw, and an offensive line that couldn't block (click here for video evidence from his junior year) ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqSY2navRQA), but this year Genz led his team to its first conference title since 1985, and its first undefeated conference season since 1968.

Genz led West Fork on the ground with 960 rushing yards and 16 touchdowns. He also led the team in receiving touchdowns with 3 and third most receiving yards with 275. The senior finished his high school football career with 2,425 total yards, 30 touchdowns and the school's most successful run in over two decades.

He was an All-State performer.

A natural athlete who plays multiple sports, Genz is also looking to lead his basketball team to its second consecutive state tourney appearance.

"He's an athlete," said David Ferrell, West Fork's head basketball coach. "He's not really a basketball player. He can't go to his right or left and he's not a very good shooter, but he always ends up with 10 or 12 points and 10 or 12 rebounds. He's an athlete and a competitor."

This raw, natural athlete has received exactly ZERO scholarship offers from any level.

ToughJ.Riggins
02-11-2009, 03:27 AM
sorry, Tough. i don't have any video of him. i actually called his coach today to confirm my information, and he was COMPLETELY BAFFLED at the lack of interest in Shelby. the coach simply couldn't believe this kid didn't even get an offer from a small in-state school!

and as for his 40 time, you are absolutely correct. it's not phenomenal, but it's certainly good enough to play D-I.

the reason he's been ignored, of course, is as simple as black and white. smileys/smiley7.gif

maybe his head coach should artificially lower his time like they do with so many black players... otherwise, how is it possible for these entire recruiting classes for teams to run sub-4.4s then run 4.6s and 4.7s 4-5 years later at their Pro Days.

the drunk white fans are so f-ing stupid to keep believing that crap.


You are correct about a lot of the top prospects out of H.S running significantly slower 3 or 4 years latter at the Combine or their Pro-day. But two things about the Combine. The Combine until a year or two ago if I recall was a slow track and electronic times are usually a little slower than hand-times, b/c hand-times start on first motion. That could account for probably a .05-.08 second difference. But you would think these guys would be getting faster through training in college and that wouldn't explain why many of these guys run significantly slower at their Pro-days which are almost always hand-timed 3 or 4 years latter.

As far as average CB times for guys invited to the NFL Combine; I think it was 4.48 last year if I recall from Draftdaddy, which is maybe just a little faster than usual. But still, compare that to the RB electronic averaged time of 4.56 last year and a WR electronic average of 4.57 if I recall. It is listed on Draftdaddy somewhere so I will check it tomorrow.

But what this tells us is that CB is absolutely the fastest position amongst the elite prospects playing in the NFL and the only position that blacks probably have a "slight" natural advantage at. Most other positions in football are either race neutral or a small white advantage.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-11-2009, 05:56 PM
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Cornerback Nick Brill (5-11, 175) of Siloam Springs. I couldn't find an official 40 time for him, but Brill was known for his closing speed and leaping ability.

Despite being the best defensive back on a below average team in a very tough big-school conference (Class 5A) and having teams scheme to stay away from him, Brill still led the state with 12 interceptions and was in on 72 tackles.

Brill was the key component in the winningest senior class at Siloam Springs in more than 50 years. He was named an All-State performer.

He was not offered a scholarship by anyone at any level.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-12-2009, 03:10 PM
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Tailback Derek Brinker (6-0, 209, 4.6) of Springdale Har-Ber is your classic power running back. His powerful running style punishes defenders until they don't want to get smacked any more, yet he has surprisingly nimble feet. He also is an excellent receiver out of the backfield. You can see his skill set by clicking here (http://www.derekbrinker3.com/Video.html). He looks like a young Brock Bolen.

Coaches polled said Brinker was the best player they faced all season, not to mention the toughest to stop. The Wildcats' senior rushed for 1,582 yards and 14 touchdowns on 304 carries while also catching 23 passes for 245 yards and two touchdowns. As a junior he carried the ball 194 times for 1,015 yards and 15 touchdowns.

Brinker turned in one of his best performances of the season in a 37-21 win against North Little Rock in the first round of the state playoffs. The Wildcats' senior rushed for 194 yards and 3 touchdowns, scoring on runs of 57, 73 and 1. His 57-yarder came on the game's third play and gave Har-Ber a 7-0 lead it would never relinquish.

Named the Vype.Com Arkansas Most Valuable Offensive Player, Brinker was also an All-State performer.

He wasn't offered a scholarship to play football anywhere.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-12-2009, 03:53 PM
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Greenwood wide receiver Zach Turpin (6-2, 185, has timed from the mid 4.5s to the low 4.6s) has been one of the most feared/respected wide receivers in the state for the past two years. His size and toughness, a rare trait in a wideout, along with his solid speed and superb hands made him a match-up nightmare on a weekly basis.

Last season, Turpin led his team with 59 receptions for 1,155 yards and 18 touchdowns while catching passes from Razorbacks freshman Tyler Wilson. This season, Turpin again led his team, making 59 catches for 1,023 yards and 18 touchdowns, returning 24 kickoffs for 584 yards and a touchdown, and returning 12 punts for 103 yards. He also intercepted two passes in limited defensive action.

For his career, Turpin had 126 receptions for 2,373 yards and 39 touchdowns and won 2 State Championships (as a sophomore and junior). He is a 2-time All-State performer and was his conference's Outstanding Back this year.

He didn't receive a single scholarship offer to play at any level.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-12-2009, 04:47 PM
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If you want to talk about a raw athlete getting a raw deal, look no further than running back Tim Lackey (5-10, 195, 4.48) from Arkansas High (Texarkana). He is a perfect example of a talented white kid on a predominantly black team getting screwed over. He was screwed by his coach, his teammates, his "fans," and is now being screwed by college scouts.

I watched this kid play in person and posted about it on another thread earlier in the season:

he was clearly the best athlete on the field, despite being on a team that is 2/3 black and playing against a team that was 90% black. however, he didn't have many chances to shine...

his coach is trying to run a spread offense with a black quarterback that can't throw the ball past the line of scrimmage. well, not and have any idea of where the ball is going. his "quarterback" didn't have much of an idea where the ball was going even when he was handing it off! the offense fumbled the ball four times on qb/rb exchanges. ugh!

the opposing defense knew Lackey's team couldn't throw, and with 4 receivers lined up on every play (3 wide-outs and a standing-up tight end), they had 2 unblocked defenders keying on him the whole game.

the opposing defense just stacked men in the box and went straight man in the secondary... it doesn't take a football genius to know what happened.

it wasn't pretty...

furthermore, most of the black "fans" in the stands "supporting" Lackey's team were full of visceral derision for him throughout the game, regardless of the fact it was the terrible black players on the team that were the cause for their team's lack of success.

Despite his horrid situation, and his not getting nearly enough touches in a messed up offense, Lackey still finished second on the team with 482 rushing yards, 436 receiving yards and 8 touchdowns and was named an All-State performer.

As a junior, he totaled 487 rushing yards, 376 receiving yards, and 17 total touchdowns. You can see highlights from his junior season here. (http://www.timlackey23.com/Video.html)

Lackey didn't receive a single scholarship offer to play at any level.

Riddlewire
02-13-2009, 05:48 AM
Spencer Keith of Pulaski Academy has accepted a scholarship offer to play QB for Kent State.
Congrats to him and Kent State.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-15-2009, 04:08 PM
thanks for the info, Riddlewire. and congratulations to Keith.

"strangely" there is still no interest in his two most dangerous weapons... smileys/smiley5.gif smileys/smiley7.gif

Jimmy Chitwood
02-15-2009, 04:09 PM
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Jake Bolt safety (6-1, 175, 4.6) led Mountain Home in tackles and interceptions as both a junior and senior. One of the most talked about defensive backs in the state since the beginning of his junior year, Bolt did nothing but fulfill expectations.

He was a 2-time All-State selection and a Vype Arkansas Super Squad honoree.

But despite the media acclaim and on-field dominance, he didn't receive a single scholarship offer. From anyone at any level.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-15-2009, 04:20 PM
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Dax Dupire (5-11, 180, 4.6) quarterback, running back, do-everything-man for Fort Smith Northside.

No player in Arkansas impacted his team more than Dax Dupire this year, whose stats, talent, and heart earned him the Northwest Arkansas Times' Player of the Year award. Florida has Tim Tebow and Northside boasted Dupire, who posted Tebow-like statistics, helping his dark-horse Grizzlies overachieve in 2008 with an 8-4 record and a first-round playoff win.

Dupire completed 63.6 percent of his passes (293 of 461) with 27 touchdown tosses to just 13 picks. He threw for a conference-high 3,603 yards and rushed for a team-high 556 yards and 17 rushing touchdowns. With a minuscule offensive line, Northside coach Darrell Henry altered his offensive philosophy in the off-season to feature Dupire's attributes, which favored the Spread.

"We changed our offense completely and we put it all on Dax's shoulders," Henry said. "It was his job to make the reads and execute the throws. What impressed me was how he handled all that responsibility. He never backed down or got frustrated. He got the system down in the summer and learned it well. To put up the numbers he did having just one year in that system was impressive." Along with being named as the quarterback on the 2008 Times All-7A-West Team, he also earned the 7A-West's Outstanding Back and received an All-State selection as well. "When you're responsible for over 4,000 yards of offense and 44 touchdowns in 12 games, that's pretty hard to do and he had a great year," Henry said. "It's hard to beat that.

Dupire didn't receive a single scholarship at any level of collegiate football.

PhillyBirds
02-15-2009, 10:19 PM
All great-looking players. Thanks for bringing them to our attention, Jimmy.

That being said, this is all kind of depressing...

Jimmy Chitwood
02-16-2009, 02:24 AM
All great-looking players. Thanks for bringing them to our attention, Jimmy.

That being said, this is all kind of depressing...

it truly is depressing, PhillyBirds. so i think i'll wrap up adding more players soon. it is starting to get me down. smileys/smiley18.gif

however, i think this kind of information is vital in proving that there are abundant white talents who routinely get ignored by collegiate programs, often in favor of black players who aren't as good. this, even in a state as small as Arkansas.

this type of evidence is factual, verifiable, and essential in disproving the widely spread, widely believed myth that white athletes are inferior.

as tough as it is to document this information, i feel it is worth the effort. and i wish more CFers would take the time to do the same.

Riddlewire
02-16-2009, 05:51 AM
From Bentonville:
Erik Ragsdale has accepted a scholarship to play for Harding University (their website lists him as DB).
Chase Baggett received a full academic scholarship to UCA and plans to walk-on there (not sure if D1AA has different rules about that).
From Texarkana:
Tim Lackey plans to walk-on at Harding.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-16-2009, 03:41 PM
Riddlewire, that these kids have to go that route is just sad. very, very sad.

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Tailback/cornerback Kenneth Golden (5-foot-9, 180, 4.51) played running back for Russellville because they wanted to get the ball in the hands of their most explosive player as often as possible. After watching him play in person, I feel that Golden isn't a true tailback, but he played that position in high school simply because he was easily the most dynamic athlete on the field in most every game he played. In my opinion, he doesn't possess the necessary vision for a collegiate tailback, nor does he have the ability to plant his foot and make a cut that is essential. Rather, he is simply a very fluid, smoother than silk athlete who makes everything look easy, despite playing with a mean streak. I think he is a natural cornerback with tremendous upside. And he can run.

Golden ran a 4.51 in the 40-yard dash at the March 15, 2008 FCA Combine in Little Rock, though Tech coaches reportedly timed him in the high 4.4s.

Golden was named a 7A-Central All-Conference performer and was named the Cyclones Most Outstanding Offensive Player after rushing for 1,023 yards in 2008 and scoring 7 touchdowns for the 9-3 Cyclones that lost in the Class 7A State semifinals to Bentonville in his first year as a starter.

Golden's only scholarship offer came from in-town small college Arkansas Tech, but I guess I should look on the bright side. At least he got a scholarship to play somewhere.

Jimmy Chitwood
02-18-2009, 02:36 AM
Two running backs play in the same backfield, one black and one white. They go about establishing one of the most dominant rushing offenses in the history of Arkansas high school football while leading their team to the state championship game. I'll let you pick which one is white, which one is black, which one got a scholarship (albeit to a non-Division One school), and which one didn't get a single scholarship offer to play anywhere.

Quinton Lindsey of Fountain Lake High School is a 6-foot, 180-pound running back. On the season, Lindsey was named an All-State, All-Conference and an All-Star honoree and was a candidate for KATV's Landers Award. He led the Cobras to a 13-1 record and a Class 3A State runner-up finish in 2008. Lindsey carried the ball 162 times for 1,558 yards (9.61 yards-per-carry) and scored 23 total touchdowns. In addition, Lindsey caught 7 passes for 120 yards, returned a kickoff 91 yards for a touchdown, and had 5 2-point conversion runs. He had one 200-plus-yards rushing game. Lost 3 fumbles.

Andrew Davis of Fountain Lake High School is a 5-10, 175-pound fullback. On the season, Davis was named an All-State, All-Conference and an All-Star honoree and was a candidate for KATV's Landers Award. He led the Cobras to a 13-1 record and a Class 3A State runner-up finish in 2008. Davis carried the ball 181 times for 1,763 yards (9.74 yards-per-carry) and scored 28 total touchdowns. In addition, Davis caught 4 passes for 67 yards, completed 4-7 passes for 51 yards, and had 5 2-point conversion runs. He had 4 200-plus-yards rushing games. He didn't lose a fumble!

So, can you tell which one is the tremendous talent and which one is the gritty over-achiever with the non-stop motor and blue collar work ethic?

ToughJ.Riggins
02-18-2009, 05:05 AM
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If you want to talk about a raw athlete getting a raw deal, look no further than running back Tim Lackey (5-10, 195, 4.48) from Arkansas High (Texarkana). He is a perfect example of a talented white kid on a predominantly black team getting screwed over. He was screwed by his coach, his teammates, his "fans," and is now being screwed by college scouts.

I watched this kid play in person and posted about it on another thread earlier in the season:

he was clearly the best athlete on the field, despite being on a team that is 2/3 black and playing against a team that was 90% black. however, he didn't have many chances to shine...

his coach is trying to run a spread offense with a black quarterback that can't throw the ball past the line of scrimmage. well, not and have any idea of where the ball is going. his "quarterback" didn't have much of an idea where the ball was going even when he was handing it off! the offense fumbled the ball four times on qb/rb exchanges. ugh!

the opposing defense knew Lackey's team couldn't throw, and with 4 receivers lined up on every play (3 wide-outs and a standing-up tight end), they had 2 unblocked defenders keying on him the whole game.

the opposing defense just stacked men in the box and went straight man in the secondary... it doesn't take a football genius to know what happened.

it wasn't pretty...

furthermore, most of the black "fans" in the stands "supporting" Lackey's team were full of visceral derision for him throughout the game, regardless of the fact it was the terrible black players on the team that were the cause for their team's lack of success.

Despite his horrid situation, and his not getting nearly enough touches in a messed up offense, Lackey still finished second on the team with 482 rushing yards, 436 receiving yards and 8 touchdowns and was named an All-State performer.

As a junior, he totaled 487 rushing yards, 376 receiving yards, and 17 total touchdowns. You can see highlights from his junior season here. (http://www.timlackey23.com/Video.html)

Lackey didn't receive a single scholarship offer to play at any level.


I had heard about this kid in another thread; so I'm going to check out his video. You see black RBs on nearly all white teams in h.s shine all the time. The tide is turning more sour, even in h.s football now. I'm not sure what the coaches deal was, but Lackey deserved far more carries. Maybe the coach didn't want to upset "team chemistry" in the locker room by having a white kid star, at what has been wrongly labeled a black position, on a 2/3s black team. It would be hard for him to gain attention with only solid h.s rushing stats as a white kid; Scout.com and especially Rivals.com and ESPN Scouts INC. aren't going to help him get noticed at all.

ToughJ.Riggins
02-18-2009, 05:54 AM
>>>Just watched Lackey's video; I wish ESPN would hire me as a RB and WR analyst. Although I don't have much experience; I am still far more creative and accurate than their scouts when reviewing white players; even when I know little.

My analysis from what I know:

Lackey looks like he could contribute to a backfield at a mid-major Div. IA school; maybe in a Kevin Faulk NE type role or a Marlon Lucky type role at Nebraska. That's how Lackey has seemed to be used in high school; as a guy who displayed good pass catching skills, who never received a lot of carries in a spread type offense.

As a DI RB prospect: Lackey has a good burst, good pass catching skills; solid top-end speed, seems like he possesses good vision and has good measurables (4.48 PR in the 40 yard), with monster squat numbers.

Seems like a legit Div. IA prospect, but his change of direction in tight spaces and when going at full gear isn't much better than average for a Div. IA prospects and you'd like to see better considering he didn't get a lot of running work in high school.

Also, wasn't able to see more than a couple tackle breaking runs in the video either; it wasn't long enough.

Of course it's hard to tell when this kid really didn't get enough carries. Strange b/c Lackey was vital to his teams success, but they didn't use him much on the ground and only mostly through the air on short passes and seemed to favor the QB running the ball despite Lackey's obvious physical talents...He needs to put together a longer video of himself for his site with more runs where he cuts back in another direction or breaks tackles.


Now if you read an ESPN review you know it would be something like this; even though they have none for Lackey:

Lackey is a player who has a few attributes you would want to see in a Division IA prospect, but we feel he is more of a lower level player (lie).

Has a burst from behind the line of scrimmage (true), but seems like mostly a one cut and go type player (not the entire picture and every white player is discriminated like this by Luginbill, even when it is truly ridiculous like with McGuffie, Trumpy, Wegher, Burkhead or Gaffney). There just isn't a lot of hip fluidity or change of direction skills in this player (lie; his change of direction would be somewhere in the middle of the pack of Div. IA RB scholarship athletes from what I've seen), but Lackey doesn't hesitate or dance and will quickly head north-south (isn't that what gaining yards is about).

Lackey also might be a little undersized for the DI level when you consider he isn't a burner and lacks the true change of direction skills of a scat-back (lie; he's 5'10 195 lbs. still as a h.s senior; typical Div. IA size; and has a good burst, great vision, makes a good first cut, runs a 4.48-4.55 40 yard and squats a ridiculous 500 lbs.).

Overall this isn't a player to get real excited about when you consider his lack of production (somewhat of a lie when you consider how his team used him), but could be a great Division II or III prospect and we wish him well (lie; you fabricate about him to protect your job and the black athletic supremacy myth).

I nominate Tom Luginbill for Caste Clown of 2008 smileys/smiley8.gif!

Electric Slide
02-19-2009, 08:03 AM
Guys I see where everyone is coming from, and looking at the situation of many talented players not getting enough oportunities you could consider it as causing depression. I get the the reason, though I would like to give an alternative view. This makes me realize how incredible it is for the white athletes that do make it against daunting odds. It's kind of like seeing the kids on TV living in trash dumps, it makes you realize that yes there are things that need to improve, but our lives aren't so bad compared to that.

I think it is up to us to not be sad and not let ourselves suffer when there's no reason to. If we do this, it means we are basing our lives on the decisions of others. We need to take charge of our own lives and not let others have the power to control our emotions. I know a lot of people were depressed about Peyton Hillis' injury, but I was just extremely happy even if only for 5 games or so do what we all acknowledge is one of the most difficult feats in all sports on the planet Earth, to be a white man starting as running back in the NFL! On top of that he has the opportunity to do it again next year.

Seeing that truly gave me hope that if there's someone like Hillis, I know there are others out there who not only are extremely talented, but to have the fortitude to persist even though he didn't have many allies in his life to encourage him in his dream of playing RB in the NFL. Remember, teachers and other adult figures tell kids from an early age to not hope to play pro-sports. They tell the odds of making it being so slim to ALL kids, so imagine the thought of a WHITE kid wanting to play in the NFL. It takes a lot of persistence to tell yourself that you will do it for all those years, when others tell you "yeah, right." Remember back when you were in high school and college, people asking you what you wanted to do after HS/college. Imagine what people, even with good intentions think when you say NFL, especially if you're white?

That's why it gives me hope that there's other truly independent thinking guys out there that are willing to do extrordinary things. My question to the guys here is if we run into one of these prospects, what are we going to say to them? Will we say it's too bad because you'll get discriminated against? Are we going to say just have fun playing, but don't expect to play in college or pro? Or are we going to encourage them to do everything possible to make it happen and live their dreams?

We can't say "were just being realistic" because in my book that saying is pure garbage and has no place in society because it has never done any good, because all it does is promote a mediocre version of reality, not an amazing extrordinary version. If Peyton Hillis was "being realistic," he would have never done the incredibly risky and uncertain things it took to get himself in the NFL. He wouldn't have even "wasted" his time thinking about going to the NFL, because a "realist" doesn't do such "pointless" things.

As far as Tim Lackey goes, I understand his difficult situation being in a school and having to be the minority race 9 hours a day at school and practice. While rare, I have seen white football and basketball players before that were on majority black teams that were highly supported by the team, coaches, and fans. Most of them where wiggerish, but some where not.

My point is that as much as I would love ideal circumstances for these players, the fact is that life is full of unfavorable situations, and being a white football player is just another one of those. This things are overcome every day when you look at the success stories of Hillis, Hester, and many other white football players at all levels. What I think we should do is figure out ways we can promote these players and educate them on what they need to do to replicate the success of other players in similar situations. That's all it takes.

Anyway sorry for the long post, but I hope you all thought it was inspiring and enjoyed it. I know it's easy to get down, but remember it was only people who looked up who were able to succeed. Stay positive because that's the only way we can strategize to make this situation better! smileys/smiley1.gif

Jimmy Chitwood
03-04-2009, 12:50 AM
does it surprise anyone here that the two fastest verifiable 40 times for football players in Arkansas' senior class belong to white athletes? probably not.

however, it probably also isn't a surprise that neither of them are going to play college football. anywhere. smileys/smiley5.gif

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/kevinault_photos/jacobgrigg.jpg
Cornerback/running back Jacob Grigg, Harrison (5-10, 185, 4.41) - at the March 1, 2008 Combine in Fayetteville, AR, measured out with a 4.41 40, 36 inch vertical, 4.00 shuttle. Grigg also ran at the Dallas NIKE Combine on March 14, where his shuttle time was the fastest of all athletes in attendance, and his 40 time was 8th out of the 800 athletes in attendance.

This fall, he totaled 145 carries for 1,241 yards and 13 touchdowns and 12 receptions for 124 yards and 1 touchdown. He was named an All-State performer. But despite his elite measurables, Grigg's only scholarship offer came from Army (right after his combine performance in Dallas). Grigg turned it down, because he felt he was good enough to go to a more high-profile program.

Not surprisingly to anyone here, no such offer ever materialized.

In a bizarre, and devastating turn of events, Grigg tore up his shoulder at some point this season and will never play football again. However no one, not even his parents or coaches, knew about it until after the season had ended (which goes to show the incredible pain tolerance the kid has). Yet, still no other schools had offered him. Unfortunately, this tremendous talent will never be able to prove his doubters wrong now.

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Hot Springs Lakeside wide receiver/cornerback Ben Crumpton (5-10, some say 5-11, 177, 4.41) recorded the fourth-fastest 40-yard dash, 4.47 seconds at the March 15, 2008 FCA Combine in Little Rock, AR, despite slipping on his start. He had the best times in the pro-shuttle and L-drill, with a 3.95 and 7.09, respectively. (A reminder: a pro shuttle time of less than 4.0 is exceptional.) He also recorded a 31 1 / 2-inch vertical leap, and was named Combine MVP.

He ran a 4.41 in the 40 with a vertical of 37 inches, while replicating his 3.95 in the pro shuttle, at the Max Emfinger All-American Combine.

Crumpton came into the combine somewhat unheralded because he only played in about 4 1/2 games last year (junior season) due to injury. Though his playing time was limited, Crumpton used his speed and athleticism to catch 33 passes for 573 yards and 8 touchdowns as a junior.

Crumpton totaled 55 catches for 1,067 yards and 18 touchdowns in just 8 games as a senior, accounting for more than half of his team's receiving yards and more than two-thirds of the receiving touchdowns. He averaged 133.4 yards-per-game and was second in the state in yards-per-catch. As good as Crumpton was at wide receiver, he was even better at cornerback where he literally took away half of the field in the passing game. His head coach couldn't recall exactly how many completions he gave up, but he said it wasn't many. He was named an All-State performer.

Despite his elite physical measurables and on-field production, Crumpton was not offered a single scholarship from any school at any level.

Jimmy Chitwood
08-24-2009, 09:01 PM
i'm going out to watch a scrimmage tonight between two of the traditional powers in Arkansas football: Shiloh Christian and Fayetteville.

there are a lot of talented White players who should be making an impact. Shiloh Christian, by the way, is ranked as the top overall team in Arkansas and in many polls is in the National Top 25. this despite being all-White except for their mulatto starting quarterback.

Europe
08-24-2009, 10:31 PM
It's amazing how these white athletes don't get scholarships. In '77 when ND won the national title I believe they had an all white receiving corp.-- Kris Haines, Pete Holohan, and ken Mcafee. So, there are no good white receivers now?

Jimmy Chitwood
08-25-2009, 02:09 AM
i'll keep this recap brief, because i'm tired ...

Shiloh Christian's Garrett Harper was the best player on the field tonight. every time he touched the ball, it was a big play. we've mentioned him before, and he's the real deal. he's a junior now, and if scouts really cared about talent he'd already have at least a dozen scholarship offers. he has zero, at the moment. http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif

defensive lineman Samuel Harvill, he of the age group world record bench press and all the Combine MVPs, is still a monster. he's a junior, as well. and a dominant force in the middle. he had 3 tackles for loss in the first quarter alone. he has been offered by UNLV andSMU.

o-lineman Travis Bodenstein is also a very gifted big man. he has already picked upan offer from Tulsa.

"oddly," the black (possibly mulatto)quarterback has already picked up numerous Division-I offers, including Arkansas and Auburn. thisdespite his being at best the Saints 4th-best player.

for Fayetteville, their three best skill guys are both White: quarterback Brandon Allen (a junior), wideout/running back Michael Heintzman (a senior), and a cornerback whose name/year i don't know as of yet. he looked very good, though.

Allen is a tall, long quarterback, but the kid can run. and he makes people look silly in the open field! it's unusual seeing such a lanky kid making people miss so easily, much like a Matt Jones or a Vince Young.

Heintzman was keyed on by the entire secondary of Shiloh, and they dared Fayetteville's other receivers to make enough plays to stay competitive. none of them could, and the strategy worked.

the cornerback i mentioned was awesome. he took away his half of the field all night long. he was only thrown at one time, and he nearly came up with the pick before the ball fell incomplete.

ina similar scenario to whati've seen very often in this state, the only black defender on Fayetteville's defense was the other corner. and he was picked on mercilessly! http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifhe was simply awful. Fayetteville rotated another White guy in with the black corner, but when the black dude would come back in ... it was like Shiloh's eyes lit up.

blackie gave up three touchdown passes in the first half before Shiloh took out their starters with 8 minutes left in the second quarter.http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifi almost felt sorry for the kid. http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Riddlewire
08-25-2009, 07:36 AM
The Arkansas media is under the impression that Frazier won this game single-handedly (nevermind that it was just a scrimmage). It's going to be another "Basil Shabazz" type of year in the Arkansas high school football press. We won't be able to escape Frazier's name.
Here's some footage from the game.
clip (http://nwahomepage.com/content/sports/hogville/fulltext/?cid=115292)Edited by: Riddlewire

Jimmy Chitwood
09-01-2009, 02:19 PM
in the above Shiloh Christian-Fayettevill game, to illustrate the caste system's fascination with black affletes over more deserving White ones, here are the stats of the black Kiehl Frazier and the White Garrett Harper:

Frazier: 4 carries for63 yards and 1 touchdown (51 yards came on the touchdown run), and 8 of 10 passing for 94 yards and 2 touchdowns.
Harper: 141 yards rushing on (i think) 8 carries and 2 (or was it 3?) touchdowns (including a 71-yarder), and he also accounted for a big portion of the receiving yardage and caught at least one of the touchdown passes.

i apologize for not being exact on Harper's stats, but the news stories didn't care enough about his performance to write all his numbers down ... despite him being the best athlete and best performance on the field ... and i had to go from memory on some of them.

also, Shiloh Christian is playing Evangel Christian on Fox Sports Southwest, Thursday night at 7p.m. Evangel is nationally ranked, and they are the last team to beat Shiloh ... two years ago, and it was a butt whipping.

Colonel_Reb
09-01-2009, 06:33 PM
I'd like to see that Evangel-Shiloh game, although Evangel has gotten a lot blacker since I used to go watch them play in the mid-90s.

Riddlewire
09-03-2009, 10:16 PM
Shiloh did well on their first defensive series against Evangel. Although there was a dropped pass and a bobbled pass that were both in open space and could've gone for big yardage. Shiloh is going to have to be willing to spread out on D or Evangel will rape them in the passing game.

Update
Shiloh scores easily on their first possession. 7-0.

Observation: Evangel's DLine is huge. Much bigger than Shiloh's OLine. But Evangel can't tackle.

Update #2
Evangel drives down quickly and stalls out for a FG. 7-3.
Shiloh goes four and out on their next possession.

BTW, if you want to see my hometown team play (just out of curiosity), the game is streaming live on internet here http://arkansasmatters.com/
I'll be cheering for the opposing team. It's pretty much a black v white affair. Both towns are mostly white, but my town prefers to use a mostly black football team. Embarrassing.
Edited by: Riddlewire

mrjohnnynofear
09-03-2009, 10:52 PM
It's on Fox Sports Southwest also.

Riddlewire
09-04-2009, 01:29 AM
I'd say Frazier has been exposed in this game.
He's a good high school quarterback, but definitely not D1A material. He plays for a fantastic team that makes him look good. He floats his passes. He has a slow throwing motion. And he's nowhere near the "athletic freak" that he's been hyped to be. His first steps are slow and clumsy. His team easily dominates their usual 4A competition, leaving him plenty of room to run. But when he is required to make something happen with his own feet, the play is usually a loss.
He's going to make some coach very upset in college.

Riddlewire
09-04-2009, 01:40 AM
Shiloh takes a 37-36 lead with 18 seconds left in the game.
Evangel returns the kickoff to the Shiloh 40. A final play gets them down to the 4yd line, but time runs out. Shiloh wins.

Shiloh's center really let his team down tonight. Lots of bad snaps that resulted in busted plays and losses. That's not a skill or physical weakness, though. They'll get that fixed and win another state championship this year. There's really no team in Arkansas that can slow them down.

Colonel_Reb
09-04-2009, 01:55 AM
I bet that Shiloh game was something to see, Riddlewire! BTW, who won the game between the black and white teams?

Riddlewire
09-04-2009, 03:19 AM
BTW, who won the game between the black and white teams?


The mostly white team, Batesville. 36-20.
It's a very old and heated rivalry. At one point Newport won 24 years in a row. Declining enrollment forced them to drop in classification several years back and Batesville has won a greater share of the games since then.
Back when I was in high school, it would've been all-white vs mostly-white. But Newport traded its soul for the myth of black athleticism. Now they have a town that is 75% white and a football team that is 90% black. They also haven't won a championship since I graduated high school.

hawkeye
09-04-2009, 04:58 AM
Another good Arkansas prospect that I don't see up here is Brishen Mathews. I'm pretty sure he is white. He was ranked the number 31 safety by rivals. He should be ranked lower. He is 6'1 190 and ran a 4.49 forty. Mississippi has expressed interest in him.

Colonel_Reb
09-04-2009, 12:19 PM
Riddlewire, I'm sorry about your school. The crazy thing about such changes is, the dumb coaches never think to put 2 and 2 together and realize their blacks are helping them lose more. Many high schools similar to yours have gone black with their football teams over the years, but most of them get worse as a result. Oh the strangeness of the caste system and the big lie!

Colonel_Reb
09-04-2009, 12:21 PM
Another good Arkansas prospect that I don't see up here is Brishen Mathews. I'm pretty sure he is white. He was ranked the number 31 safety by rivals. He should be ranked lower. He is 6'1 190 and ran a 4.49 forty. Mississippi has expressed interest in him.

hawkeye, welcome to Caste Football! New Miss hasn't had a starting white safety since Billy Brewer was coach. We'll see if they offer him a scholarship and/or try to get him to make a position change.

Jimmy Chitwood
09-21-2009, 04:18 PM
Another good Arkansas prospect that I don't see up here is Brishen Mathews. I'm pretty sure he is white. He was ranked the number 31 safety by rivals. He should be ranked lower. He is 6'1 190 and ran a 4.49 forty. Mississippi has expressed interest in him.


good call hawkeye, and welcome to Caste Football! http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

Brishen Mathews (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Brishen-Mathews-78737) is a White athlete. he is very fast, and very good. additionally, he has dominated at several combines but is still only a 3-star prospect by Rivals though ... interesting, huh?

Jimmy Chitwood
09-21-2009, 04:46 PM
once again, virtually all of Arkansas' top wide receiver prospects are White kids. but "somehow" it's the black ones who are getting offered Division One scholarships ... here are just a handful of the big play guys:

Spencer Harris from Greenwood, likely the state's top wide receiver, has 17 catches for 387 yards and 6 touchdowns in three games.


Michael Heintzman from Fayetteville High has 18 catches for411 yards and5 touchdowns in 3 games.


Blake Fogg from Springdale High has13 catches for 334 yards and3 touchdowns in 3 games.

Rogers Heritage has two very fast, but small (5-6 or 5-9) wideouts. Travis Entwisle has 10 catches for 233 yards and 4 touchdowns, and teammate Jordan Snoderly has 10 catches for 198 yards and 4 touchdowns. they've played 3 games.

in two games, Graham Parker from Rogers High has 12 catches for 235 yards and 4 touchdowns.

also in two games, Garrett Lamb from Pulaski Academy has 19 catches for 285 yards and 5 touchdowns. Zac Reyna, also from PA, has 24 catches for 387 yards and 1 touchdown.

the top quarterbacks in the state are also White, and are putting up some HUGE numbers, led by the junior class' Reed Brown of Rogers-Heritage who has thrown 14 touchdowns and 0 interceptions, and highly touted D-I recruit Brandon Allen from Fayetteville. Allen threw for 304 yards and ran for 123 more (on 14 carries) for 3 total touchdowns last week.

senior Wil Nicks from Pulaski Academy has thrown for 1,113 yards and 11 touchdowns (to 3 interceptions) in two games.

there are a lot of talented White cats in the state, but very, very few are getting any notice.Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood

Jimmy Chitwood
09-22-2009, 02:42 PM
i should add that all of the receivers i mentioned above play in the state's largest classification (7A), with the exception of the Pulaski Academy duo who play in the third largest (5A).


the only wideout i've mentioned who has received a scholarship offer to play anywhere is Spencer Harris ... to lowly Missouri State and Central Arkansas. http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

Jimmy Chitwood
10-12-2009, 01:02 PM
two weeks ago, Spencer Harris had 8 catches for 179 yards and 4 touchdowns ... in the first half. http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley3.gifhttp://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifneedless to say, his team won in a rout and he sat the second half.

this past week, Greenwood's opponent decided to drop 8 men into coverage all game long. http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifnow THAT is respect! smileys/smiley2.gif

they still lost, but they managed to hold Harris to 3 catches for 24 yards as the Bulldogs stuck with their ground game against a 3-man rush. heh.

Riddlewire
10-12-2009, 04:16 PM
You're talking about the Greenbrier game, right?
I tried to find footage or statistics from that game, but was mostly unsuccessful.
I had been following Greenbrier RB Hunter Winston, who was one of the leading rushers in the state, prior to that matchup with Greenwood. A different RB led Greenbrier in rushing, so I was wondering if Winston was hurt. I can't find any mention of it, and the FearlessFriday boards were no help.

Jimmy Chitwood
10-12-2009, 04:28 PM
yes, sir. it was the Greenbrier game.

and i will try to keep an eye out for young Mr. Hunter Winston, too.

Jimmy Chitwood
10-12-2009, 09:46 PM
the state's receptions leader is a White kid, and the receiving yardage leader is another White kid. yet, despite the vast majority of the state's best receivers being White, so far not a single White receiver has been offered a Division I scholarship this year. no surprise there.
the state's best receiver, (Class 5A) Greenwood's Spencer Harris leads the state with 727 yards AND 12 receiving touchdowns on just 35 catches, for a whopping 20.8 yards-per-catch average. at 6-3, and fast, you'd think teams would be all over this kid since defensive backs can't get near him ...


(Class 5A) Pulaski Academy's vaunted aerial attack has 2 of the state's top-3 receptions leaders. juniors Zac Reyna, the state's leader with 44 catches, and Garrett Lamb, number 3 in the state with 38 catches, have been impossible to stop thus far this season. Reyna has 686 yards and 2 touchdowns, while Lamb has 484 yards and 6 touchdowns through 5 games.


(Class 7A) Fayetteville's Michael Heintzmann continues to dominate. in addition to his rushing and kick return yardage, the 5-10 senior with 4.4 speed has 33 catches for 574 yards and 7 touchdowns in 6 games, but the media continues its love affair with lard-butt teammate Demetrius Dean. take the following blurb from a game two weeks ago as a bit of evidence:
Led by huge performances from receiver Demetrius Dean and quarterback Brandon Allen, the Purple'Dogs combined for 558 yards of total offense in a 50-49 victory against Springdale High.


in that game, Dean had 10 catches for 91 yards and 2 touchdowns. certainly, it was a good game. but Heintzmann had 6 catches for 130 yards and 2 touchdowns AND he rushed for another touchdown. so who had the bigger day? the fat, black receiver, of course!


Brandon Allen is an impressive talent at quarterback for Fayetteville, to be sure. he threw for 464 yards and 4 touchdowns in that game on 32-56 passing, and he ran for another 49 yards and a touchdown.


(Class 7A) Van Buren's Drew White, a 6-3 junior with 4.5 speed, has 30 catches for 440 yards and 5 touchdowns in just 4 games.


Blake Fogg, a 6-2 senior with 4.5 speed from Springdale High (Class 7A), has 24 catches for 581 yards and 4 touchdowns in 6 games.


Rogers Heritage has added a third speedster to their dangerous duo of very fast, but small (5-6 or 5-9) wideouts. the coaching staff had decided to keep Grant Driver, an All-State wideout last year, strictly at cornerback ... but that only lasted a couple of weeks. the muscular 5-8 senior with 4.5 speed has again exploded on offense, while still playing at a high level in the secondary. since moving back to wideout, Driver has compiled 32 catches for 491 yards and 5 touchdowns. Travis Entwisle, the "biggest" of the three, has used his 4.5 speed to snare 30 catches for 468 yards and 5 touchdowns. the third amigo, teammate Jordan Snoderly, is the smallest but fastest. his 4.4 speed has earned him 17 catches for 288 yards and 5 touchdowns, but hehas been hurt and missed a lot of action. Heritage has played 6 games, though only Entwisle has suited up for all of them.


also in 6 games, Graham Parker from Rogers High has 28 catches for 425 yards and 6 touchdowns.


a small school story to keep an eye on ... Zach Combs, a 6-5 senior from Harrisburg (Class 3A), decided to play football his senior year and has become a big-time playmaker. in his first year playing on the gridiron, he ranks among statewide leaders in receptions and receiving yards with 26 catches for 350 yards and 3 touchdowns in 5 games. until this year, he was a basketball player.


 


--- on a side note, the very gifted junior running back/wide receiver Garrett Harper (Shiloh Christian, Class 4A) is still out with an injury. Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood

whiteathlete33
10-12-2009, 10:08 PM
http://www.arkansasonline.com/videos/2009/may/26/3560/ Here is all I could find as far as videos on Harris. Scout has him as a one star prospect. http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=4424807 What a bunch of bull. He only has offers from Henderson State and Missouri Southern State College.

Riddlewire
10-12-2009, 11:36 PM
a small school story to keep an eye on ... Zach Combs, a 6-5 senior from Harrisburg (Class 3A), decided to play football his senior year and has become a big-time playmaker. in his first year playing on the gridiron, he ranks among statewide leaders in receptions and receiving yards with 26 catches for 350 yards and 3 touchdowns in 5 games. until this year, he was a basketball player.


I assume you only mentioned Combs because he's the one with the D1A size. But he's probably only the third best player on his team.
Fellow senior, all conference receiver (55c,830yds,13TD last year) Jake Streeter is only 5'9, but he's a tremendous talent. Streeter has 24 catches on the year for 661 yards (27.5yd avg) and 7TD. It's unlikely that he'll have the opportunity to play WR in college, though, for obvious reasons.
Harrisburg's best player is possibly the best Quarterback in the state. Junior Zach Davis finished second to Kiehl Frazier in the ARK Top Gun QB competition, despite only have 3A-level coaching and defenses to play against. Last year, Zach completed 68% of his passes for 3,100 yards and 38TD. This season, Zach is on a similar pace at 101 for 166 passing for 1,813 yards and 15TD at the halfway point of the season.

Colonel_Reb
10-13-2009, 12:15 AM
Dueling Arkansans, CF style. I love it! Great info, gentlemen!

Jimmy Chitwood
10-13-2009, 12:15 AM
good points, Riddlewire. Streeter would likely project to be a cornerback or slot receiver at the next level, because he has really impressive speed and agility... if he were black, of course. because the "experts" all agree that a White kid, no matter how fast or agile,can't be a cornerback. *vomit* and honestly, i didn't realize Streeter had those kind of numbers this year, though. that is awesome! where did you find the stats for their team? i wish i could see some video of him, too.

i didn't know about Davis, though. my personal favorite quarterback in the state is Reed Brown from Rogers-Heritage. he's only 5-10, but he was the best quarterback at Tulsa's seniors camp ... as a freshman. he's a junior now, and hehas thrown 19 touchdowns to just 2 interceptions while passing for over 1,500 yards so farthis season. oh, and he's completing over 65% of his passes, too. the kid has a GREAT arm.

just as importantly ...never hesitate to add players that i miss, man. my knowledge of the state's top players certainly isn't encyclopedic. http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley1.gifEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood

Riddlewire
10-13-2009, 02:07 AM
where did you find the stats for their team?
Various sources, with luck.
The ArDemGaz publishes statewide stats (whenever the hell they feel like it). I happened to have the Week 4 edition sitting here. It's not complete, of course. Not all high school coaches send in their statistics. But that particular paper had numbers for Combs, Streeter, and Davis in it. After that, I had to look up the schedule to see Harrisburg's next two games. Inputting ("Harrisburg" "Manila" "55-14") into Google gave me articles from local newspaper articles. One of those will usually publish stats from the game. So adding up those numbers results in current statistics. For last year's stats, I have my Northeast Arkansas High School Football Preview, which is published annually by the Jonesboro Sun. It gives rosters, height and weight (and sometimes 40 times), for the upcoming season, as well as a small preview. It had the numbers for Davis and Streeter from last season.
I'll see if I can find any video of Harrisburg.

Since I'm on the subject, and I have all this stuff in front of me already (and since you asked), I'll throw out one NEA prospect.

Tyler Engleman of Cave City, SR RB, 6'0" 190lbs.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5835/tengz.jpg
2008: 1,380yds 18TD
2009: 97c 975yds 10.05ypc 11TD (through 6 games)
His coach (who I went to high school with) tries really hard to promote his players, including Tyler. But the only one that the Razorbacks and Red Wolves are interested in is Thamail Morgan, the transfer from Newport (I went to school with his daddy). I'm completely certain that Tyler will never play college football. He just has that unfortunate skin disease, as well as playing in the Siberia of high school football (small schools in northeast Arkansas get ZERO recruiting attention).

Jimmy Chitwood
10-13-2009, 01:26 PM
that's great info, Riddlewire. keep it up! http://castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifnow here's another speedster who is getting completely ignored because of his debilitating skin disease ...
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/kevinault_photos/michaelcroasdellgravette.jpg

senior Michael Croasdell (Gravette - 4A), a state champion in the 100 meters as a sophomore and the state champion in the long jump last year (he placed third in the 100 meters) has emerged as a big play tailback, despite it being his first year as a starter at the position. he's spent most of his high school career making plays as a cornerback, where he still shines and plays every snap. here are some recent news items on the speedster.



GRAVETTE â€" Michael Croasdell didn't have his best game on Friday night.


That's saying something, considering the Gravette senior scored three touchdowns and had a pair of interceptions in the Lions 28-19 win over Huntsville. The win keeps Gravette unbeaten at 6-0 overall, 3-0 in the 4A-1 Conference. It's a remarkable achievement given the graduation of All-State players Ethan McKinzie and Teddy Selby from last season and the loss of Casey Russell, who died last month from a staph infection.


On Friday, Croasdell â€" Gravette's leading rusher this season â€" had just 46 yards on 16 carries, including a lost fumble, against the Eagles (2-4, 1-2). He more than made up for the limited yardage by scoring three first-half touchdowns as the Lions built a 21-7 halftime lead.


Croasdell also had an interception in the first half, and he added his second on Huntsville's final drive in the closing minutes to secure the win.


"He ran the ball hard tonight and had two interceptions on defense," Harrelson said. "I'm sure he was upset with himself on that fumble, and rightly so. But Michael has just done a great job.


"He had a huge night."


on the night, Croasdell had a 28-yard touchdown catch (one of his two catches for 63 yards), a 1-yard touchdown run and a 21-yard touchdown run along with his 2 interceptions.


here's a nice profile on Michael. (http://nwapreps.com/2009/10/06/croasdell-filling-void-for-gravette/)



Croasdell filling the void for Gravette
Posted on 06 October, 2009


GRAVETTE â€" In August, Gravette coach Bill Harrelson wondered what Lions players would step up and fill the void left by the graduation of quarterback Ethan McKinzie and running back Teddy Selby.


McKinzie accounted for more than 5,000 yards of offense in his three seasons in a Gravette uniform while Selby rushed for almost 1,300 yards a year ago.


Harrelson, however, dropped a big hint when he said expected senior Michael Croasdell to eclipse the 1,000-yard rushing mark and then some.


So far, Croasdell hasn't disappointed Harrelson or his teammates as the 5-foot-10, 175-pound speedster has carried 94 times for 676 yards and seven touchdowns for 5-0 Gravette.


But what has impressed Harrelson the most is that Croasdell has been effective inside and outside. Breaking long runs wasn't a big concern for Harrelson as Croasdell has been clocked at 4.5 in the 40 and he won the Class 4A 100-meter dash last spring.


"We knew he could out-run people," Harrelson said.


But Croasdell can also run over people and last week was a case in point. With Gravette trailing rival Gentry 14-7, Croasdell followed fullback Travis Eden through the left side of the Pioneers defense and didn't stop until he reached the end zone 83 yards later.


Gravette would go on to win the game 30-17 to move to 2-0 in the 4A-1 Conference.


"I'm really impressed with the way he is running it up inside," Harrelson said. "He is showing tremendous toughness carrying the ball 20, 25 times a game. Just an unbelievable job showing some moves he hasn't shown before."


Croasdell said it was difficult sitting on the sidelines the past two seasons when the Lions had the ball.


"It was tough because I wanted to run a lot more than I got to," Croasdell said. "I did get to get in quite a bit and it was fun to run behind Teddy because he is a good friend of mine."


Harrelson saw Croasdell's potential coming out of junior high but knew there wouldn't be a whole of carries to go around with Selby as the Lions' bell cow. Croasdell was also a starter in the Lions secondary, as he is this season, in 2008 and that limited his junior varsity carries because Harrelson couldn't risk Croasdell getting hurt.


"Michael never got a chance to get many carries and Michael is just now learning how to run the football again," Harrelson said. "He is really running it tough inside."


Croasdell said learning to find the holes opened up by the Lions' offensive line has been the biggest obstacle in regaining his running form.


"I had a hard time with my vision, seeing the hole and seeing what people are going to do," Croasdell said. "But things are going better because our offensive line is real good this year. I'm very proud of our offensive line because we have had some people step up."


in 6 games, Croasdell has rushed for 722 yards and 9 touchdowns on 110 carries. he is also a big-play threat in the passing game and is a shutdown corner, but i couldn't find any stats on those areas.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/kevinault_photos/michaelcroasdellpose.jpg
Michael Croasdell ... perhaps he's wondering what it takes for a White kid to get a scholarship.

Riddlewire
10-13-2009, 06:42 PM
Here's a different kind of example which illustrates the difficulties for many of our athletes in Northeast Arkansas.

This is John Wilbanks of 3A Manila.
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1617/1272939h.jpg

SR WR/RB/DB
6'5", 170lbs, 4.4 40
John has very little offensive production on the season (though he did run for 109 yards in one game). The problem is that Manila is just a terrible football program. Their only victory is over 2A Rector. They only have ~20 players. They have no football tradition to speak of (They only started varsity fb last year, which means the seniors didn't play any football at all as sophomores).
Now imagine if he had been born in Fort Smith or Springdale. With his combination of size and speed, he'd be a highly sought after prospect. Instead, he might as well be living in a black hole. I bet 99% of Arkansans have no idea where Manila is, assuming they've even heard of it.

Colonel_Reb
10-13-2009, 06:58 PM
No doubt, white public or private schools players in rural areas are at a disadvantage more so than any other group. My high school football team had just started up the year before I played there. There were some really good players on the team those first few years, but because we lost a lot of games the first couple of seasons, and because we were a small school, nobody was recruited at any level. I know JC has some valuable experiences that can shed more light on the plight of white, small school rural players in Arkansas (and white players in general) when it comes to being recruited by the U of A.

By the way, thanks to Dave Brown, I know where Manila is. smileys/smiley36.gif

Good post, Riddlewire! These stories need to be told.

STUNNA
11-10-2009, 04:20 PM
All these players you mentioned are playing against other white competition. They dont do very good when they are playing teams from the south.

STUNNA
11-10-2009, 04:21 PM
Hayden Smith Warren, AR QB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaoMa60U2s

Colonel_Reb
11-10-2009, 04:27 PM
STUNNA, read the original post in this thread. White teams routinely beat black teams in every state, not just Arkansas. It happens all the time.

STUNNA
11-10-2009, 04:31 PM
STUNNA, read the original post in this thread. White teams routinely beat black teams in every state, not just Arkansas. It happens all the time.

In 4a Shiloh is the first white team to win state in a while. Nashville, Warren, Dollarway, JC, LR central, and pine bluff would disagree.

FootballDad
11-10-2009, 06:54 PM
STUNNA, read the original post in this thread. White teams routinely beat black teams in every state, not just Arkansas. It happens all the time.

In 4a Shiloh is the first white team to win state in a while. Nashville, Warren, Dollarway, JC, LR central, and pine bluff would disagree.
Very nice, STUNNA, but look at last years SCOREBOARD. I'll bet this year turns out no differently.
The Class 7A (the 16 largest schools in the state) state champion, was all-white Bentonville.
In Class 6A (the next 16 largest schools) all-white Lake Hamilton defeated nearly all-back El Dorado to win the state championship in a near-blowout.
Class 5A (the next 32 largest schools) saw a match-up between what many claimed were the best two teams in the state: all-white private school Pulaski Academy and all-black Helena-West Helena Central. In the end, PA avenged its one loss of the season (to Helena in Week 1 of the season) and emerged victorious.
Class 4A saw all-white private school Shiloh Christian continue its tradition of dominance. The only Arkansas high school ranked nationally (#52 Prep, #99 Rivals, #24 Vype) and arguably the best overall team in the state despite being a small Christian school, Shiloh destroyed all-black Dollarway, 42-18, to win the state championship.
Class 3A saw two undefeated teams enter the contest: nearly all-white Fountain Lake with one of the most dominant rushing attacks in state history, and all-white Charleston (white team wins, either way)
The only win by the black team was in tiny Class 2A, Junction City beating Des Arc by a field goal when time expired.
'Nuff said.

Riddlewire
11-10-2009, 08:10 PM
STUNNA, read the original post in this thread. White teams routinely beat black teams in every state, not just Arkansas. It happens all the time.
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<div>In 4a Shiloh is the first white team to win state in a while. Nashville, Warren, Dollarway, JC, LR central, and pine bluff would disagree.</div>

I don't remember reading any of your posts before, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your football beliefs.
However, you have misinterpreted the main idea of this thread. Whether or not specific types of teams win championships is irrelevant. What we have catalogued here is evidence that, in cases where all-white (or mostly white) teams dominate their competition, the offensive skill players on those teams are never given credit for their abilities. If you are from Arkansas, you have no choice but to admit this. Black players from marginal teams are constantly fawned over and considered to be college prospects, while the white players who beat them aren't given a second thought.

STUNNA
11-10-2009, 11:37 PM
STUNNA, read the original post in this thread. White teams routinely beat black teams in every state, not just Arkansas. It happens all the time.



In 4a Shiloh is the first white team to win state in a while. Nashville, Warren, Dollarway, JC, LR central, and pine bluff would disagree.

I don't remember reading any of your posts before, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your football beliefs.
However, you have misinterpreted the main idea of this thread. Whether or not specific types of teams win championships is irrelevant. What we have catalogued here is evidence that, in cases where all-white (or mostly white) teams dominate their competition, the offensive skill players on those teams are never given credit for their abilities. If you are from Arkansas, you have no choice but to admit this. Black players from marginal teams are constantly fawned over and considered to be college prospects, while the white players who beat them aren't given a second thought.

I am from Warren, Ar............. my disagreement is that you are going off of just last year. What about the years before.

Riddlewire
11-11-2009, 05:42 AM
It's not our job to select your reading material.
This website has spent years documenting cases similar to what happens in Arkansas. Feel free to look through old posts.
Your recalcitrance, however, suggests that you found this site by accident, and you are a denier of the discrimination that exists as you ascend the football ladder. If that is the case, one of two possibilities exists. Either you are a DWF (the implied meaning is more important than the literal acronym, so visit here for a while in order to understand it) and maybe your eyes can be opened, or you are black.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 01:08 PM
I am as white as can be. I played on a very good high school team where I was the only white skilled player to start three years. I understand what you are saying. but most blacks are just better athletes. And Im definately not racist.

FootballDad
11-11-2009, 01:23 PM
I understand, and respect your opinion, but by what measurables are you stating that "most blacks are better athletes"?? I live in the Kansas City area now, and we have majority black teams, majority white teams, and the half/half teams here. By and large, with few exceptions, the best players are the white guys. I previously lived in Southern California, the last few in the Inland Empire. The majority white schools, like Norco and the Corona schools, dominated. My local high school when I was there, Eisenhower in Rialto (where Ronnie Lott came from), was a power for years until the white content diminished. The resulting mostly black/latino teams were (and are) terrible.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 01:54 PM
To me alot of winning is based on what system your school is running and your coach. I played football on a team that has produced quite a few division 1 receivers. Yes they were all black, but they were also all 6'3 200lbs running 4.4's. in arkansas the south has better athletes, and the north has better coaching and more discipline.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 01:55 PM
I understand, and respect your opinion, but by what measurables are you stating that "most blacks are better athletes"?? I live in the Kansas City area now, and we have majority black teams, majority white teams, and the half/half teams here. By and large, with few exceptions, the best players are the white guys. I previously lived in Southern California, the last few in the Inland Empire. The majority white schools, like Norco and the Corona schools, dominated. My local high school when I was there, Eisenhower in Rialto (where Ronnie Lott came from), was a power for years until the white content diminished. The resulting mostly black/latino teams were (and are) terrible.

Whats schools are you talking about in KC. I coach in Clinton and we play a quite a few schools from KC.

FootballDad
11-11-2009, 01:58 PM
Like Rockhurst, Blue Springs (both top notch, 6A schools), Staley, Liberty, just to name a few.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 02:03 PM
Like Rockhurst, Blue Springs (both top notch, 6A schools), Staley, Liberty, just to name a few.

oh ... I havent had to face any of those schools. I coach at 3a Clinton and we play Ohara, center, St pius x, and westport, all from the city.

FootballDad
11-11-2009, 02:33 PM
What do you think O'Hara's chances are? They play Pleasant Hill this Saturday.

Colonel_Reb
11-11-2009, 02:33 PM
So you've played on a nearly all black team, you were the only white star, and you think whenever white teams beat black teams its because of better coaching and discipline, not athleticism? So you and every other white star just has more discipline than the super athletes that you compete against for a starting spot? Sorry, but a 40 time is not the only measure of athleticism. It is merely a measure of straight line speed, which is but one component of athletic ability. In most cases, there is little or no difference between the 40 speed of elite white and black players. Some recent examples: Brian Leonard, Peyton Hillis, and Matt Jones. All were faster than most blacks they were drafted with. The problem with people like you, STUNNA, is that you have a very narrow, caste system molded view of athleticism. Intelligence, discipline, and agility are also important components of athleticism, but they are often overlooked because whites tend to excel over blacks in these areas. The media, however, focuses solely on the 40 time, the only area in which blacks arguably have a very slight advantage over whites (Don Beebe ran only 1/100th slower than the fastest black).

whiteathlete33
11-11-2009, 02:45 PM
Did anyone watch the high school game on ESPN last Friday? Â*I don't remember the teams but I know they were from Arkansas.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 06:47 PM
What do you think O'Hara's chances are? They play Pleasant Hill this Saturday.

I think they will kill P Hill... We played both this year. Lost to ohara 48-7 and to PHILL 16-6

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 06:52 PM
So you've played on a nearly all black team, you were the only white star, and you think whenever white teams beat black teams its because of better coaching and discipline, not athleticism? So you and every other white star just has more discipline than the super athletes that you compete against for a starting spot? Sorry, but a 40 time is not the only measure of athleticism. It is merely a measure of straight line speed, which is but one component of athletic ability. In most cases, there is little or no difference between the 40 speed of elite white and black players. Some recent examples: Brian Leonard, Peyton Hillis, and Matt Jones. All were faster than most blacks they were drafted with. The problem with people like you, STUNNA, is that you have a very narrow, caste system molded view of athleticism. Intelligence, discipline, and agility are also important components of athleticism, but they are often overlooked because whites tend to excel over blacks in these areas. The media, however, focuses solely on the 40 time, the only area in which blacks arguably have a very slight advantage over whites (Don Beebe ran only 1/100th slower than the fastest black).

I believe that the teams in North Arkansas have better coaching and are more disciplined teams. And I believe that the teams in South Arkansas have more overall athleticism, but are not as disciplined. two different types of football in Arkansas, in the south its more smashmouth and in the north there are more spread it out teams with a few exceptions in both.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 06:54 PM
Did anyone watch the high school game on ESPN last Friday? I don't remember the teams but I know they were from Arkansas.

Yes it was PA vs LRCA... LRCA has the #1 RB according to some sites. This year he became the leading rusher in state history. He is commited to Auburn.

celticdb15
11-11-2009, 06:57 PM
So you've played on a nearly all black team, you were the only white star, and you think whenever white teams beat black teams its because of better coaching and discipline, not athleticism? So you and every other white star just has more discipline than the super athletes that you compete against for a starting spot? Sorry, but a 40 time is not the only measure of athleticism. It is merely a measure of straight line speed, which is but one component of athletic ability. In most cases, there is little or no difference between the 40 speed of elite white and black players. Some recent examples: Brian Leonard, Peyton Hillis, and Matt Jones. All were faster than most blacks they were drafted with. The problem with people like you, STUNNA, is that you have a very narrow, caste system molded view of athleticism. Intelligence, discipline, and agility are also important components of athleticism, but they are often overlooked because whites tend to excel over blacks in these areas. The media, however, focuses solely on the 40 time, the only area in which blacks arguably have a very slight advantage over whites (Don Beebe ran only 1/100th slower than the fastest black).

I believe that the teams in North Arkansas have better coaching and are more disciplined teams. And I believe that the teams in South Arkansas have more overall athleticism, but are not as disciplined. two different types of football in Arkansas, in the south its more smashmouth and in the north there are more spread it out teams with a few exceptions in both.


Shouldn't the styles be opposite if there are more athletes in the South?

whiteathlete33
11-11-2009, 07:00 PM
A total of 7 whites players listed on Rivals state rankings for Arkansas. Â*Yea like that list isn't slanted. Â*They even have some fat sumo DT who comes in at 310 lbs and I think he Â*weighs alot more than that. Â*Just take a look at this great afflete for yourselves. He looks like he has two Whoppers stuck in his mouth.Â*http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Darius-Hudson-91847 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Darius-Huds&#111;n-91847)

You can't honestly tell me this fat turd is the best DT in the state of Arkansas.Edited by: whiteathlete33

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 07:07 PM
A total of 7 whites players listed on Rivals state rankings for Arkansas. Yea like that list isn't slanted. They even have some fat sumo DT who comes in at 310 lbs and I think he weighs alot more than that. Just take a look at this great afflete for yourselves. He looks like he has two Whoppers stuck in his mouth.http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Darius-Hudson-91847 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Darius-Huds&#111;n-91847)


You can't honestly tell me this fat turd is the best DT in the state of Arkansas.

The best DT is Byran Jones out of Junction City.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 07:09 PM
So you've played on a nearly all black team, you were the only white star, and you think whenever white teams beat black teams its because of better coaching and discipline, not athleticism? So you and every other white star just has more discipline than the super athletes that you compete against for a starting spot? Sorry, but a 40 time is not the only measure of athleticism. It is merely a measure of straight line speed, which is but one component of athletic ability. In most cases, there is little or no difference between the 40 speed of elite white and black players. Some recent examples: Brian Leonard, Peyton Hillis, and Matt Jones. All were faster than most blacks they were drafted with. The problem with people like you, STUNNA, is that you have a very narrow, caste system molded view of athleticism. Intelligence, discipline, and agility are also important components of athleticism, but they are often overlooked because whites tend to excel over blacks in these areas. The media, however, focuses solely on the 40 time, the only area in which blacks arguably have a very slight advantage over whites (Don Beebe ran only 1/100th slower than the fastest black).

I believe that the teams in North Arkansas have better coaching and are more disciplined teams. And I believe that the teams in South Arkansas have more overall athleticism, but are not as disciplined. two different types of football in Arkansas, in the south its more smashmouth and in the north there are more spread it out teams with a few exceptions in both.


Shouldn't the styles be opposite if there are more athletes in the South?

There are a couple of teams in the south tht do run the spread just not as many. To me the white schools excel in arkansas because of the spread.

whiteathlete33
11-11-2009, 07:09 PM
Another sumo!!!!!!!

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 07:10 PM
Another sumo!!!!!!!

Very athletic sumo who plays for one of the best programs in arkansas

whiteathlete33
11-11-2009, 07:12 PM
I highly doubt that Stunna. Â*Rivals overrated these affletes and refuses to list talented whites.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 07:16 PM
He is one of the top DT's in this class. With that siad there may be some white DT's that are better. i dont know. i just keep up with Arkansas and Missouri kids. But you cannot say that this kid does not have lots of talent.

whiteathlete33
11-11-2009, 07:18 PM
Stunna the absolute lack of DT's in the NFL should show you something. Â*Other than cornerback or safety DT is the next position on defense where it is rare to find a white player. Â*Some of the leagues best linebackers are white but the lack of DT's is absurd. Â* The position should be at least 70 percent white in a fair system.

STUNNA
11-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Stunna the absolute lack of DT's in the NFL should show you something. Other than cornerback or safety DT is the next position on defense where it is rare to find a white player. Some of the leagues best linebackers are white but the lack of DT's is absurd. The position should be at least 70 percent white in a fair system.

once again I dont know. The razorbacks start two white guys on the Dline. The best white Dlineman at the high school level would be Sam Harvill out of Shiloh Christian University.

Jimmy Chitwood
12-15-2009, 07:59 PM
Hello, STUNNA. Welcome to Caste Football. Feel free to participate, but you might want to NOT repeatedly make false claims A) as if they were true, and B) as if you actually know what you are talking about. Just a friendly piece of advice for your future posts on this board. The posters here are pretty sharp, as a general rule, and nonsense such as you've been spouting is quickly refuted. In fact, I'm surprised that no one has done so before now.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P>
That being said, I shall quickly point out some of the numerous errors you've made in this thread. Please feel free to refute my facts with your "beliefs" as best you can. Here goes "<O:P></O:P>

All these players you mentioned are playing against other white competition. They dont do very good when they are playing teams from the south.<O:P></O:P>
True. Your tenuous grasp of the English language aside, the all-White/majority-White teams do even better when they are playing against the black teams from the south than they do when they are facing off against each other, hence all the State Champions who are all-White or majority-White teams from the Northwest part of the state. <O:P></O:P>

Hayden Smith Warren, AR QB<O:P></O:P>
I'm not sure why you chose to use Hayden Smith as an example to prove your point of black supremacy " because Mr. Smith is a White kid who is the best player on a nearly all-black team. This, in fact, supports the point we here at Caste Football often present. <O:P></O:P>

In 4a Shiloh is the first white team to win state in a while. Nashville, Warren, Dollarway, JC, LR central, and pine bluff would disagree.<O:P></O:P>
Here, you show your obvious lack of knowledge of the topic you claim to understand. I will address each of these schools in the order you presented them "<O:P></O:P>
Nashville is the closest you are to a correct statement. They won the 4A State Championship in 2006 and 2007 (and the 3A title in 2005) and were very good again this year, ranked #2 in 4A before being defeated in the playoffs by Shiloh Christian. The problem is, as far as your point being made at any rate, is that Nashville is a majority White school. Take this year's team, for instance. Their best running back was black, but their best quarterback was White, as was their top 3 wide receivers, their best linemen on both sides of the ball, their best linebacker, and their top two defensive backs. Hardly an example of black dominance.<O:P></O:P>
Warren has NEVER won a 4A State Championship, and going all the way back to 1980 they've only won two state championships " both in 3A, back in 2001 and 2002. In fact, Warren is an outstanding example of the Caste System in real life. When they were "sooooo talented" back in 2006-7 and had 4 "phenomenal affletes" who were all over 6-feet tall and ran "legitimate" 4.4 forties, they somehow couldn't even get past the second round of the playoffs. Yet these "talented" affletes were all signed to Division One scholarships despite being total losers at small schools. Weird how that works, huh?<O:P></O:P>
Dollarway hasn't won a state title since 1993, and it was in 3A. *yawn*<O:P></O:P>
Junction City, in recent years, without a doubt, has been one of the most dominant teams in the state " at class 2A. That's the smallest division of Arkansas football. They won the state title last year and again this year " but before that all-White Mount Ida won it in 2007, all-White Jessieville won it in 2006, all-White Charleston won it in 2005, and so on. Junction City is good, but they hardly have a stranglehold on championships. And again, they play in 2A " the smallest level of Arkansas football.<O:P></O:P>
Little Rock Central won back-to-back titles in class 5A in2003 and 2004, but since thenthey have become a laughing stock. Oh, and before those two years they hadn't won a championship since 1986 ... which was in 4A, for what it's worth. Hardly a dynasty. <O:P></O:P>
Pine Bluff, as your final example, is another poor one. They won the 6A State Championship this year after narrowly upsetting favored all-White Lake Hamilton in the semifinals of the playoffs. Before this year, they hadn't won a championship of any kind since 1995. <O:P></O:P>
As for all-White or majority-White teams to win class 4A in recent years other than Shiloh Christian " majority-White Nashville in 2006-7 (as I've said already), all-White Greenwood in 2005 and 2000, majority-White Wynne in 2004 and 2001, all-White Batesville in 2003, all-White Harrison in 1999, all-White Alma in 1997-98 " shall I go on?<O:P></O:P>
I think I've made my point, er, points. <O:P></O:P>

I am from Warren, AR............. my disagreement is that you are going off of just last year. What about the years before.<O:P></O:P>
As I've already mentioned, Warren is an apt example of the points we make here. See my above comments. Also, the trend is easy to spot if you wish to see it, even in previous years. If you want to write up a summary of each year in Arkansas football history, feel free to do so. I will be writing up another one for this year, as I did last year. And once again, this season White teams did more than hold their own.<O:P></O:P>

I am as white as can be. I played on a very good high school team where I was the only white skilled player to start three years. I understand what you are saying. but most blacks are just better athletes. And Im definately not racist. <O:P></O:P>
You're also "definately" not a good speller or commander of the English language. And haven't you said you work at a high school? Hopefully not as a teacher " <O:P></O:P>
Also, if you can't see the obvious "racist" nature of insisting one race is inherently superior to another in athletics, then I don't think you know what "racist" means. And yet you think " well, I don't know what you think, to be honest. Or if you do.<O:P></O:P>
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To me alot of winning is based on what system your school is running and your coach. I played football on a team that has produced quite a few division 1 receivers. Yes they were all black, but they were also all 6'3 200lbs running 4.4's. in arkansas the south has better athletes, and the north has better coaching and more discipline.<O:P></O:P>
I've already pointed out how good an illustration of the Caste System Warren's team makes. They can't win, yet they're "really talented." How does that work exactly? <O:P></O:P>
And your assertion that a coach and a system has a lot to do with winning is genius! *smirk* Every team and every coach tries to use a system in order to help the team win, Einstein. And if it is the coaching and the discipline that makes the teams in the north repeatedly destroy southern teams, then why don't the teams in the south hire better coaches and enforce discipline? And if talent isn't what wins games, then why aren't all those well-coached, disciplined northern players recruited? Because talent wins games. Period. Teams everywhere have good coaching, but talent makes the difference. And White kids in Arkansas repeatedly prove they have talent " even though it's ignored by people like you.<O:P></O:P>

I believe that the teams in North Arkansas have better coaching and are more disciplined teams. And I believe that the teams in South Arkansas have more overall athleticism, but are not as disciplined. two different types of football in Arkansas, in the south its more smashmouth and in the north there are more spread it out teams with a few exceptions in both.<O:P></O:P>
You must be a racist who believes that blacks are inherently uncontrollable if you believe that statement. After all, surely discipline isn't some mythical trait like loose hips, explosiveness, and room-brightening smiles " or is it? Can't discipline be taught? And there are an awful lot of black coaches in the southern part of the state " so are you saying blacks aren't intelligent enough to be good coaches? Yet you insist that you aren't a racist " so how does all this compute in your twisted view of things?<O:P></O:P>

The best DT is Byran Jones out of Junction City.<O:P></O:P>
Judging by your complete lack of being correct on any point so far, do you honestly think you are correct on this one? Or are you a talent scout in your spare time? Likely the best defensive tackle in Arkansas is Samuel Harvill, a junior, who holds the WORLD RECORD BENCH PRESS for his age group. But we can certainly debate this contestable point, if you wish.<O:P></O:P>

There are a couple of teams in the south tht do run the spread just not as many. To me the white schools excel in arkansas because of the spread.<O:P></O:P>
Aren't coaches supposedly paid to win games? If that is true, and it is also true that running the spread equals success, then any coach who doesn't run it is a fool. The truth of the matter is that many programs don't have the talent needed to run the spread, be it lacking a quarterback who can throw or receivers who can catch or what have you. This simple truth is probably too obvious to be believed by someone who twists his mind up in such pretzels to defy the facts he sees on the football fields across the state.<O:P></O:P>

Very athletic sumo who plays for one of the best programs in Arkansas<O:P></O:P>
This is true. Junction City has an outstanding football team. Academically they are awful, but that's another topic.<O:P></O:P>
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He is one of the top DT's in this class. With that siad there may be some white DT's that are better. i dont know. i just keep up with Arkansas and Missouri kids. But you cannot say that this kid does not have lots of talent.<O:P></O:P>
That he is at the top of this class in the current system is not in doubt. However, for you to insist that no one can deny this black kid's talent is bizarre " seeing as how you are insisting that many other kids don't have talent simply because they are White. Can't you see that double standard? I mean, really?<O:P></O:P>

once again I dont know. The razorbacks start two white guys on the Dline. The best white Dlineman at the high school level would be Sam Harvill out of Shiloh Christian University.<O:P></O:P>
For such an "expert" as you obviously feel you are, you don't know very much, do you? Your response didn't answer the question you were asked, just as your many wrong answers that I've addressed don't prove your position. Likely I've wasted my time with this rebuttal, because you seem to willingly refuse to see truth even if it's in front of you. However, maybe you will see the errors in your thinking. Regardless, hopefully others will benefit from knowing the truth.<O:P></O:P>


one last thing, and this is to Football Dad ... don't give the benefit of the doubt to guys like this who come in here and spout their drivel. they are not correct. we should educate them, and we should not accept their posts as valid until proven. just a reminder. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley1.gifEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood

whiteathlete33
12-15-2009, 08:03 PM
Holly crap Jimmy!! You just gave that boy a nice lesson!!! I don't know anything about Arkansas high school football being from Jersey but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He claimed that 300lb fatass is the best DT in Arkansas.
Edited by: whiteathlete33

FootballDad
12-15-2009, 08:59 PM
Hey JC, I love the way that you just take the gloves off and let 'er rip! I haven't seen STUNNA in these parts in awhile, maybe he's just lurking. You are correct, however, often times I can be entirely too "nice" to folks like this. STUNNA says that he coaches at Clinton MO high school. Now Clinton HS is a majority white team, with a couple of blacks in the normal positions, and theyaredreadful. Perhaps he looks at his team and thinks that if he just had a couple more "affletes", it would be better. Funny thing though, the only two wins that they had this year were against Westport and Center High Schools, which are much blacker schools from central KC! So you can try to figure out where he's coming from......

FootballDad
12-15-2009, 09:01 PM
Also JC, STUNNA also went through great pains defending my all time "favorite" black RB recruit, Jatushun "Big Tex" (hah!) Beachum!

DixieDestroyer
12-16-2009, 01:38 AM
CF HoF'er Mr.Chitwood laying the wood to misguided DWF...gotta love it!smileys/smiley2.gif

white lightning
12-16-2009, 03:05 AM
Jimmy gets my award for post of the month. You just can't do it any better than that. When ever Jimmy is here, put the gloves on. Let's get ready to rumble! WOW! Great job my friend. I know you are very busy with your career, but we love it when your here!

guest301
12-17-2009, 07:26 PM
Geez JimmyC. If you were not on your high school debate team, you should have been. Ditto for college. Stunna got stunned. I hope he learns from it and is the better for it. If he really is a coach, he can make a difference, positive or negative.

Jimmy Chitwood
12-19-2009, 04:04 PM
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">As a reminder:[/B] Arkansas has six divisions, based on school enrollment, that play football in the state. The largest division is 7A, going down to the smallest, 2A. Class 1A includes schools that are too small to offer football. Private schools are forced to play up in size, meaning that they are placed in one division higher than their enrollment would dictate. (It is said they recruit, but they inevitably are all-white schools so is that even possible?)
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I don't think I pointed this out last year, but Arkansas does a weird (and I think stupid) format for its play-offs. They don't seed teams like the NCAA Tournament does for basketball in order for the best teams to bang heads for the title, rather they set it up based on conference affiliations " and it's done years in advance. Hence, you often have the best teams playing each other long before the State Championship game. And that happened again a couple of times this year. So I'll try to point out the results of those games, as well.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 7A[/B] (the 16 largest schools in the state) all-White (minus a mulatto wide receiver) Springdale Har-Ber defeated nearly all-White Fort Smith Southside behind a smothering defense. Har-Ber's all-White defense, led by Class 7A/6A Arkansas Defensive Player of the Year safety Houston Pruitt, allowed just 20 yards of total offense in the first half and had given up just 67 yards of offense when they put in the back-ups late in the 4<SUP>th</SUP> quarter. Southside would finish with just 100 yards of offense in the game, and their only touchdown came on a fourth down after a blocked punt deep in Har-Ber territory. Junior quarterback Ryan Luther passed for two touchdowns and led the workmanlike Wildcats offense, earning game MVP honors. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
The game was a cakewalk for Har-Ber after they had won what was likely the real championship game a week earlier in the semi-finals. In another defensive slugfest, Har-Ber snuck by all-White Cabot (who had been the #1 rated team for much of the year), 10-7. The third team that had been considered a contender for the state title, all-White Bentonville (minus a black running back) had been upset by Southside in the second round.
This was the first State Championship in Har-Ber's four years of existence, but it was their second time to make the championship game. Not bad for a bunch of "over-achieving" White kids, huh?
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 6A[/B] (the next 16 largest schools) fans had the treat of watching the ugliest championship game of the year. Mostly-black El Dorado defeated all-black Pine Bluff, 27-20, in a festival of turnovers and penalties. Pine Bluff's "amazingly talented and sure-fire Division One quarterback prospect" Claude Johnson rushed for 164 yards on 40 carries and also completed 10 of 27 passes for 167 yards and 2 touchdowns with an interception and likely would have won the game MVP "by a landslide" according to reporters ... if his scattershot throwing had actually been able to complete a pass on the Zebra's final drive of the game. Instead, he had four straight incompletions, and El Dorado ran out the last 2:20 on the clock. Of Pine Bluff's 71 offensive plays, Johnson accounted for 67 of them ... this despite him being "surrounded with Division One talent." The numbers, you see, tell a different story.
Pine Bluff reached the championship game after upsetting the #1 team (all-White Lake Hamilton) in the semi-finals.
El Dorado used a balanced offense and turnovers to win the championship. Likely the best athlete on the field was El Dorado's White Quarterback, junior Taylor Reed (6-3, 4.6 40; considered a D-I prospect but likely at wide receiver), but the best player was the tiny black tailback Cameron Mahone for the Wildcats. Mahone, the game MVP, scored the winning touchdown with a 7-yard run on third-and-goal late in the game and also scored a touchdown on a 52-yard interception return, had 10 tackles and one sack. For the record, he's 5-7, 170-pounds and runs a 4.7 " yet dominated Pine Bluff's team who is "stacked with D-I athletes."
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 5A[/B] (the next 32 largest schools) nearly all-White Monticello took nearly all-black Camden Fairview out behind the woodshed and put a beatdown on ‘em, 38-7. The Monticello Billies were the lone undefeated team in Class 5A for the last eight weeks of the season, and they showed they are the most dominant in the same classification during the championship game.
Monticello's double wing offense is set up to let four backs carry the ball, and the Billies got quality production out of all of them. Three Monticello players had more than 100 yards rushing and each had at least one rushing touchdown. Senior wingback Brishen Mathews (the best athlete and fastest player in the game) led the way with 170 yards on only 12 carries (14.2 per carry) and a touchdown. Mathews also caught two passes for 25 yards and was named the Most Outstanding Player. Quarterback Joe Carmical carried 17 times for 117 yards and a touchdown (he scored at least one rushing touchdown in every game this season). Runaway beer truck/fullback Caleb Bryant ran for 2 touchdowns, including a 41-yarder that metaphorically broke Camden Fairview's back and literally left 6 defenders lying on the ground as he jogged backwards the last 20 yards into the endzone. Bryant finished the night with 74 yards and two touchdowns on 11 carries. As a team, the Billies amassed almost 500 yards rushing.
"Brishen Mathews was a man tonight, going off for 170 yards," Carmical said after the game. "Caleb Bryant's a beast. They just couldn't tackle all of us. It was great."
Of course, every newspaper story of the game featured a photo of the one black player who touched the ball for the Billies, as well as putting his name in the lead sentence. Go figure.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 4A[/B], the Championship Game was over almost before it started. All-White (minus their mulatto quarterback Kiehl Frazier) dominated nearly all-White Lonoke, 56-20. As is typical, Frazier got all the accolades after the game, but Arkansas high school's version of Danny Wuerffel (a decent quarterback surrounded with tremendous talent results in HUGE numbers for the quarterback) had a LOT of help ...
Tailback Chris Bryant accumulated 182 all-purpose yards, rushing for 98 yards and a touchdown on 17 attempts and catching a game-high 6 passes for 84 yards and another score. Versatile defensive back/tailback/wildcat quarterback Wilson Huett rushed for 71 yards and touchdown on 9 carries. Jake Scott and Zann Jones combined for 8 receptions for 100 yards, with Scott catching a touchdown pass. (Garrett Harper, a junior, and David Petrino, a sophomore, who are the two fastest players on the team missed most of the year due to injuries and didn't play in the title game, either.)
Shiloh, who is considered to be the top overall team in the state, had only one challenge in the playoffs " against #2-ranked in 4A, majority-White Nashville " in the second round. This should have been the State Championship game. Nashville went up 35-0, taking advantage of 2 interceptions and 3 fumbles by Shiloh's "all-world" mulatto quarterback. However, Shiloh stormed back to win 51-49 in a barn burner. (I was there!)
In this game, one of the best receivers in the state was uncoverable. Nashville's Paul Morrow had 8 catches for 105 yards and 1 touchdown despite a defense that was doubling him and a quarterback with a weenie arm. I can only imagine what kind of numbers Morrow would have put up this year if his quarterback could actually throw downfield. As it was, Morrow ended the season with 61 catches for 1,004 yards, and 7 touchdowns. Most of those yards came after the catch, if you catch my meaning, but I doubt if any colleges are knocking down his door. Damn the caste system!
As an aside, defensive tackle Samuel Harvill had 8 tackles, including 2.5 tackles for loss in a dominating performance of disruption. I'll point this out again later.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 3A[/B], nearly all-White Fountain Lake destroyed majority-black Prescott, 37-7. Fountain Lake had an incredibly hard-hitting defense and a punishing rushing attack and showcased both in the Championship Game. Prescott was held to 212 yards of total offense and a single touchdown. Fountain Lake has 4 players who've run for more than 500 yards this season, though their feature back is the negro Mark Makin, who is a talented kid. He runs with good power and is exceptionally slippery, but he doesn't have great speed. However, he is a lot of fun to watch, picks up a lot of yards after contact, and rarely fumbles. Mulatto quarterback David Gray also runs a lot, and is dangerous in the open field, but the Cobras also give the ball to two White kids a lot.
The true championship game in Class 3A took place two weeks before when Fountain Lake squared off against #1 (all-White) Charleston at Fountain Lake, in a rematch of the 2008 State Championship. Charleston was once again the more talented and faster team, but Fountain Lake's hard-hitting defense forced 3 turnovers and the Cobras offense took advantage, winning a slugfest 25-14.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In the state's smallest football classification, 2A[/B], nearly all-black Junction City beat all-black Bearden 24-14. Junction City won its second consecutive State Championship.
In this game, "all-world" negro defensive tackle Byran Jones was named MVP of the game for having 6 tackles (including 1 sack) and a fumble recovery. He won it the year before, too, with similar numbers. Weird ... especially when you consider the numbers in comparison to those put up by Samuell Harvill in what the strongman would consider a rather pedestrian performance.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Summary:[/B] Once again, all-White or majority-White teams more than held their own against teams with "real" affletes, winning 4 of the 6 possible State Championships, including the largest classification and the state's top overall best team. And in a "bizarre" twist, the two games that featured mostly black teams each saw the team with more White players win " Weird, huh?

Riddlewire
12-19-2009, 11:17 PM
All the teams from my quadrant of the state either were overmatched or lost in mild upsets. So I can't contribute much about the playoffs this year. I just don't know the teams well enough.

My more general observation is that the transfers have gotten out of control. The AAA needs to find some way to shut down all the town-hopping. The schools could easily do it since they can set their own district rules. But I doubt you're going to find any schools who would reduce the playing time of transfer students. Not when football is the most important social activity in most Arkansas towns. Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if some afflete, when told extracurriculars were a privilege and he had to sit out half the season, would file a lawsuit claiming the school district was "harming his future earnings". And he'd probably win, too.

Jimmy Chitwood
12-19-2009, 11:39 PM
good point about the transfers, Riddlewire. there were a lot of them this year ... and they all seemed to be black kids going to a White school where they were "automatically" inserted as a starter, even ahead of White kids who had been dominant. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

Deadlift
12-22-2009, 06:45 AM
I see that a couple of short, morbidly-obese black DTs, have been posted in this thread, and that they're supposedly the "best" that Arkansas has to offer.

I watched a couple of North Carolina State Championship games on TV, and EVERY black OL (or DT) that I saw were short, and most were fat and waddling. It got me thinking.. Are blacks really taller than Whites? Are black football players taller than White football players?

Truth is, John Henderson and Richard Seymour and a few others, are the rare blacks that actually have height, but, of course, height alone does not equal great football player. Arm length does not equal great football player either. Here are some more examples of the "typical" black lineman:

Hollis Thomas
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1122

Howard Green
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3767

Tyronne Green
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12661

Nick Cole
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9905

Colin Cole
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4870

Brian Waters
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2450

Glenn Dorsey
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11239

He's probably heavier than what he's listed at. Notice that this "monster" has but 1 career sack and 1 forced fumble..

Trai Essex
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8507

He's incredibly obese, he might not even be 6-5, and he's definitely WAYYY-more than 320 pounds!

Willie Colon
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9717

Absolutely disgusting build.
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I think I made my point. The media would never worship Whites that are short and disgustingly obese.

Jimmy Chitwood
05-07-2010, 08:26 PM
Shiloh Christian will play a nationally televised football game on September 6, in Cowboys Stadium. the Saints will be facing off against Texas Class 5A Division I state champion, Euless (Texas) Trinity in the Herbstreit Series (http://highschool.rivals.com/c&#111;ntent.asp?CID=1079797), the event put on by White-loathing ESPN talking head Kirk Herbstreit. the two teams square off at 10:30am.

Trinity finished the 2009 season ranked No. 15 nationally, while Shiloh Christian ended the 2009 season ranked No. 43 in the RivalsHigh 100 and returns most everyone from its title-winning team.

a total of 4 games will take place that day, and you can read more info about it on the link above.

Jimmy Chitwood
06-14-2010, 12:53 AM
Deadlift, i think you'll especially get pissed at this one ...

Arkansas "genius" head coach Bobby Petrino shows once again that he has no interest in signing in-state White talent (or White talent at all, for that matter). the latest evidence of his anti-White bias is the case of Travis Bodenstein, (http://rivals.yahoo.com/arkansasvarsity/football/recruiting/player-Travis-Bodenstein-79284) who committed today to Kansas.

http://www.pinnaclepreps.com/files/bodenstein%202008%20copy.jpg

Bodenstein (6-5, 295; class of 2011) has been the top-rated offensive lineman in Arkansas nearly since he started playing forhis high school team. in addition to numerous other accolades, he has been named a 2011 pre-season high school All-American by both EA and Max Emfinger, as wellashaving beennamed to the Arkansas Super Team (the top 22 players in the state) as both a sophomoreAND a junior.it simply doesn't get any better than that ... oh, and he averages 5 pancake blocks per game.

Petrino didn't even offer him. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

of course, that probably shouldn't come as a suprise. Petrino didn't offer Sam Harvill (http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11938&amp;KW=harvill&amp;PID=174130&amp;ti tle=d-lineman-samuel-spike-span-classhighlightharvill-span#174130), either. Harvill, who in addition to also being an All-American defensivelinemanis literally the strongest 17-year old in the WORLD,but has been asserted to not have enough "upside" or "talent" or "functional strength" or some other mythical trait to be considered a "real" afflete.

below is a highlight tape of Bodenstein, who wasn't even considered a legit prospect by the Razorbacks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjv5J5XZQRg

Deadlift
06-14-2010, 08:05 PM
I did see where Arkansas picked-up commits from Marcus Danenhauer & Austin Beck, and they had an offer to Mitch Hall (an Ole Miss verbal), and they have an offer to Brey Cook:


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Marcus-Danenhauer-97253


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Austin-Beck-106751

There's no picture, but I wasn't in any hurry to do any research to see what his ancestry is, but he "might" be White. A picture could very well be on the web, but I'm usually patient enough to wait for a Rivals pic.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Mitch-Hall-97255;_ylt=AtFo4oifWJ1tETPZp20Itc1HPZB4

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Brey-Cook-97252


The Kansas Jayhawks' have offered several White linemen, and many are from the Southeast USA. From watching his video, Travis Bodenstein appears to have good quickness and strength!


EDIT: In my original post, I said that Arkansas had an offer to Mitch Hall. Well, I just clicked on his profile, and I see that it's not listed there anymore. If they had an offer extended to him, they may have pulled it because he verbaled to Ole Miss, Houston Nutt's new stomping ground...



Edited by: Deadlift

celticdb15
06-15-2010, 05:34 AM
I feel Arkansas definitely is a state that is somewhat undervalued in recruting circles. We here at castefootball all know the real reason is b\c Arkansas has a talented white population and is not as black as some other SE states. Another state I think that is overlooked is Iowa. People are always shocked thatIowa recruits its home state well and is still competitive. I have seen article repeatedly referring to Kirk Ferentz recruiting 2 star players and "getting the most out of them".
If it weren't for most scouts and coaches blatantly refusing to scout\sign white recruits,Arkansas would be a hot bed.

hawkeye
06-16-2010, 05:11 AM
I think Stunna got stunned.

FootballDad
06-16-2010, 10:40 AM
I forgot all about that guy, stunna. He was a good representation of how a typical DWC (dumb white coach) thinks. He claimed to be, and I don't doubt him, a coach on the HS team in Clinton, MO, but like many coaches I know, when he sees the black skin, he automatically thinks "superior athlete", in spite of the evidence on the field right in front of him. I know lots of coaches who have this deeply ingrained. That is exactly the mindset, from youth football on up that we need to change for the caste system to be broken.

Jimmy Chitwood
07-09-2010, 09:39 PM
i just got in from watching a bunch of games at the Southwest Elite 7 on 7 Showcase at Shiloh Christian while up in that part of the state visiting friends. it was a pretty big event that was well put together, with a total of 16 teams present, including teams from NW Arkansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma.

would it surprise any of you if i told you that the black teams all got smoked, the highly-rated black players looked completely inferior, and White kids who are said to be too slow, too stiff, and simply too over-achieving to ever get a scholarship offer dominated?

i suspect it doesn't surprise you at all. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

there were numerous "division one" prospects in action, virtually all of which were black. this, despite the apparent best (and fastest and most productive and so on) players all being White. "weird" how that works, isn't it? ifyou don't find it "weird," i'll put things in perspective for you ...

Hillcrest (MO) upcoming-junior Dorial Green is said to be one of the ELITE prospects in the class of 2012, with Maxpreps currently rating him as the #2 Overall prospect and naming him their National Male Athlete of the Year ... asa sophomore. that is some heady stuff, right? his Rivals (http://rivals.yahoo.com/missouri/football/recruiting/player-Dorial-Green-98834) and Scout (http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&amp;p=8&amp;c=1&amp;nid=4960145) profiles show seemingly incredible numbers (6-foot-5 running a 4.43 40), and he has offers from everywhere from USC to Ohio State. if you type his name into Google, the first thing that comes up is from an idiot thread in aRazorback forum titled Dorial Green a freak (http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=328198.0).

but here's the deal ... how can all that be legitimate if he can't make a play againsta bunch of non-affletic, un-recruited, "stiff-hipped" White"boys" from Northwest Arkansas?

in the first game of 7 on 7 alone, where he was matched up against the all-White secondary of Rogers Heritage (AR), Green only managed one catch ... this despite his "incredible talent" and being repeatedly targeted because, according to his head coach, he istheir "only real offensive threat." oh, and he was covered by those "inferior, stiff-hipped" White defensive backs, too. so how did he put up such a small reception total? he did manage 4 drops, though. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

he put up similar numbers in the one other game i saw him play in. forgive me if i don't jump on his bandwagon. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

furthermore, if Green can really run a 4.43 40 and is really the best wide receiver prospect in the country, then theWhite cornerback for Rogers Heritage (who won't be recruited by anyone to play football anywhere) who didn't give up a single completion whilst covering the "super recruit", and broke up several passes, runs a sub-4.43 (as he was clearly faster) and is the best coverman in the nation. but again, no football program at all is interested in the White kid who can completely shut out the black superstar... "weird," huh?

this, my fellows, is what the Caste System is all about. the fictitious promotion of black "talent" in a player who can't actually play while simultaneously ignoring White kids who are better. this happens all across the nation, and it happens every year.

white lightning
07-10-2010, 06:07 AM
The best football post I've read in a long time. You nailed it! It's sad but true. Year after year and decade after decade!

Riddlewire
07-14-2010, 10:31 PM
...
Hillcrest (MO) upcoming-junior Dorial Green is said to be one of the ELITE prospects in the class of 2012
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The Rivals representative for the state of Arkansas was on the radio yesterday (he's on every week) talking about Dorial (pronounced Duh-RELL, apparently smileys/smiley29.gif ). After listening for a moment, I rushed to grab some paper and write down what he was saying. I only captured the plaudits.

Extremely Smooth - 3 times
Freakish Athlete - 2 times
Incredible Track Star

He had no negative words for Duh-RELL. Nor did he mention any actual football results (catches, yards, etc.) for Duh-RELL's career.


We have to stop being surprised when Rivals ignores record-setting white football players. They simply don't care what happens on the field of play. Only what happens at their combines (and then only if the kid is black).

Jimmy Chitwood
10-22-2010, 11:09 PM
i hope you gentlemen forgive the double post (i also posted this in the White Running Backs lead the way thread), but i wanted to make sure not to lose this information.


once again, it's likely that the best tailback in the state of Arkansas is a White athlete who has not yet received a single Division One scholarship offer ... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif

even thoughi'm stuck at the house tonight and unable to attend this evening's game, i've had the opportunity to watch Steven Kehner (http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Steven-Kehner-116965), of Glen Rose High School, play the past two weeks. enteringtonight's game, Kehner has already surpassed 1,400 yards on the season in just 7 games. yes, your math is correct. he's averaging over 200 yards-per-game. just to let you know how impressive those numbers are, he's not playing much in the second half. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

i am going to share acouple of postgame reports thati provided to Riddlewire after watching each of the last two games that Kehner has played for Glen Rose. please enjoy. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


belowis the recap of Glen Rose vs. Bismarck, a team who isn't very good
Kehner looked very, very fast and shifty, and appeared to be about 5-9, 185 or thereabouts (which is larger than the "scouting" sites list him).

he touched the ball 5 times in the 1st Quarter and scored 4 touchdowns. i'm not sure what his official numbers were because he had some big runs called back due to penalties, but he had 5 total touchdowns for the game on just 10 touches of the ball (perhaps 11, depending on how the official stats interpreted some of the penalties), and didn't step foot on the field in the second half.

in the 1st Quarter alone (on just 5 touches!), he scored on rushes from 2 yards, 84 yards, and 5 yards and scored on a 55-yard punt return.

one of the called-back runs in the 2nd quarter was a thing of true beauty. he started on a sweep to the left sideline, was forced to cutback and sliced all the way back to the right sideline before he juked through the defense all the way back to the left sideline. en route, he shook 8 defenders who got at least at hand on him. it was an amazing 64-yard run ... but a holding penalty nowhere near the action nullified a big part of it, including the score.

oh, and the last two plays of the first half were both impressive. on the next-to-last play, he took the handoff up the middle, juked two defenders in the hole almost off their feet before sprinting to daylight and jogging backwards into the endzone from 21 yards out ... only to have it nullified by a holding penalty. with the ball moved back 10 yards and only a couple of seconds left on the clock there was nothing to fear, asKehner took the next play off of right tackle and sprinted untouched around the edge for a 31-yard score.

belowis the recap of the Glen Rose vs. (heavily favored) Fountain Lake (defending 3A State Champions) game.

... as for Kehner, that is a far, far different tale. that cat is MUCH better than he's given credit for, regardless of how much praise he receives.

he's probably the best tailback in the state of Arkansas,but as of yet, i've heard/seen very little to make me think anyone that matters is even aware of him.

as i usually do when watching a prospective talent, i took notes at the game so my numbers should be very close to the official tallies. he ran the ball 23 times for 295 yards and 6 touchdowns. he scored (in order) from 51, from 15, from 5, from 4, from 45, and on the very next drive(in fact, the very next play) when they needed to put the game away he scored on the first play from scrimmage... from 71 yards out. Fountain Lake did all they could to keep the ball away from him in the kicking game, and he only had one return (for 20 yards).

i could go into detail about some of his runs, but suffice it to say the kid has moves that leave your mouth wide open and leaves defenders literally sprawled wide-legged on their backs on the field. yes, even on the sure footing of the new astro-turf at Fountain Lake. he's damn good.

he's got everything you could want in a 5-9, 185-pound back: the vision, the patience to set up blockers, the wiggle we hear so much about, and he runs both through arm tackles and between the tackles, unlike so many speed backs at this level. he has an extra gear that is impressive, but even more impressive to me is how quick he gets to that gear. his acceleration takes your breath away. he's even got a bit of a mean streak, which opposing fans/players hate and denounce him for. he's "arrogant," you see. in reality, he's got the total package ... except for the requisite black skin, of course ...


what's "funny" is how many of the idiot White fans who see him insist that he's too small. when i point out that he's bigger than many of the black Razorbacks they cheer for on Saturdays, they are dumbfounded and say, "Really?"

the willing stupidity of our White kindred is nigh limitless, i suppose.
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Kehner has already surpassed 5,000 career yards and is rapidly climbing the all-time rushing lists in the state. with his team 7-0, he's got a chance to make a playoff run which should see him soar up the Top 10 historical list. with his incredible production on a team that hasn't been any good at all until this year, and with his 4.4 speed, you'd think teams would be falling all over themselves trying to get him to commit. but alas, no one with the power to make it happen seems to even know this kids name. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

here's a photo of Kehner (http://jaysphotodesign.com/p78027148/h1B8C3ED9#h1b8c3ed9). he just has the look ... except for the skin tone, i mean. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

whiteathlete33
10-23-2010, 08:08 AM
Interesting prospect Jimmy. He looks like he'll be screwed over just like Dillon Romain was here in Jersey. As I suspected there is no rating for him because apparently despite great production and athleticism he doesn't count as a "real" athlete.

Jimmy Chitwood
10-30-2010, 04:44 PM
i've not yet seen/heard how Kehner did in his team's 51-10 win last night, but here's the report from his game last week.


... Five touchdowns by senior running back Steven Kehner gave the Beavers the edge in the contest in Centerpoint. Kehner put the first points on the board on a 37-yard scamper with 7:18 left in the opening period of play ...

With 1:38 left in the first, quarterback Collin Hunter handed the ball off in the backfield to Kehner who made the corner on the near side and then just blew by the CHS defenders on his way to the end zone ...

... It only took three plays and 63 ticks of the clock for the Beavers to strike again. With 11:11 left in the second, Kehner ran it in from the 50-yard line ...

If you thought the earlier quick touchdown by the Beavers was in the blink of an eye, think again. Kehner took the ball almost the length of the field, taking it 92-yards for his fourth TD on the night with only 37.2 seconds ticking away. Kehner carried the two-point conversion in to make it 41-12 with 2.7 seconds left in the half.

The Beavers scored two more times in the third quarter of play. The first came on a 6-yard run by Kehner at the 8:27 mark ...

Kehner finished the night 295 yards closer to reaching the 6,000 mark on just 14 carries for an average of just over 21 yards per carry.

if my numbers are correct, through 8 games Kehner has a state-leading 1,777 yards on 142 carries (12.5 yard-per-carry average) for a state-leading 29 touchdowns. with merely 4.4 speed and those pedestrian performances, one can easily see why Division One football programs aren't pursuing this kid. smileys/smiley2.gifhttp://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley104.gifEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood

Riddlewire
10-30-2010, 05:25 PM
10 carries, 313 yards, 5TD

Jimmy Chitwood
10-30-2010, 05:40 PM
thanks for the info update, Riddlewire. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif


10 carries, 313 yards, 5TD


just another "average day" for just another "average athlete," eh? yep, no reason at all to think this kid could help a collegiate program at all. nope, there's nothing to see here. talent is all that matters. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

now, if my math is right ... 1,777 + 313 ... carry the one ... = 2,090 yards on 152 carries. that's ... er ... a mere 13.8 yards-per-carry. and "only" 34 touchdowns.

just imagine what he could do if he had some talent. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Colonel_Reb
10-30-2010, 07:10 PM
Those are mind blowing numbers from Kehner! What an absolute disgrace that this kid isn't getting any offers.smileys/smiley7.gif

Jimmy Chitwood
10-31-2010, 01:52 PM
Garrett Harper of Shiloh Christian appears to finally be nearing 100% after his serious elbow injury sidelined him nearly all of last year. though he still wears a heavy sleeve on his arm, his playmaking ability is second to none.

on Friday night he ran for a game-high 101 yards and a touchdown on just 6 carries, had an 88-yard kickoff return for a touchdown, and 3 catches for 64 yards and another touchdown ...when hecaught a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, breaking 3 tackles, and scoring from 38 yards out.

of course, the scoring pass was all due to the talented afflete at quotaback. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Jimmy Chitwood
10-31-2010, 02:55 PM
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/kevinault_photos/matthewshowalterand&#111;neof4tds.jpg
Batesville's Matthew Showalter leaves an afflete in his wake en route to scoring ... again.

Batesville's Matthew Showalter (http://rivals.yahoo.com/arkansas/football/recruiting/player-Matthew-Showalter-97305) is having an impressive season. against Forrest City recently, the gifted wide receiver/cornerback Showalter couldn't be covered as this article summarize things. ("]<a href="http://www.arkansassports360.com/20502/prep-friday-preview-pulaski-robins&#111;n-looks-to-maintain-run-against-nashville" target="_blank">he caught five pass for 185 yards and four touchdowns.[/url]


"He's just been so big for us, with the catches in that [Forrest City] game, a 74-yard punt return, six interceptions on the season," Batesville Coach Dave King said Tuesday night during the Arkansas High School Gridiron Report on KABZ-FM, 103.7 The Buzz. "But there's nothing bigger than the fumble recovery for a touchdown Friday night."

King's referring to Showalter's scoop in front of the Batesville right sideline and romp down the line to the game-winning touchdown with 49 seconds left (watch the play above). Wynne's Yellow Jackets appeared to have an upset all but secure, just needing to withstand one more Batesville time out after a simple running play.

But that simple running play turned into disaster for Wynne. The ball popped out of the halfback's hands after a hit in the line, and bounced twice to Showalter, who fielded it like the outstanding baseball player he is. Then he took off.

here's the video of the aforementioned fumble recovery and score.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh-d3CEkl-4&amp;p=9B3157128FA472C3&amp;playnext=1&amp;index=33

perhaps even more impressive than Showalter's playmaking on the offensive side of the ball is his ability to completely shutdown playmakers ... i'll let [url="http://www.hootens.com/recruiting-batesvilles-versatile-showalter-locks-up-ua-commit-mckinney-best-king-has-coached_217_a.aspx)


The first question Batesville coach Dave King answered after last week's 39-point win over defending 5A East champion Forrest City didn't pertain to the game plan or a specific play. Instead, an eager fan wanted to know why more big-name college football programs aren't venturing to watch of Pioneer widereceiver/cornerback Matthew Showalter (4).





King can't offer the fan or anyone an explanation regarded the Showalter's lack of recruiting. "I don't know. I don't have a clue," says King, who has spent more than 20 years coaching in Arkansas and Texas.


Showalter, a three-year starter at cornerback, swiped two interceptions against Forrest City and held University of Arkansas commit Dayvon McKinney to just one catch while playing only in the first half after the Pioneers envoked the Arkansas Activities Association 35-point sportsmanship rule.


Showalter intercepted three passes in the first half the previous week in a 56-6 triumph at Paragould, and he's intercepted six passes in limited action this fall. The Pioneers allow just eight points weekly, and the starters have only played the second half of just two games this season.


"No doubt in my mind that he's one of the top two or three players in the state," King says.


Showalter (16 career interceptions) proves his versatility each week as the only two-way starter for undefeated Batesville (6-0). He also punts and handle kick/punt returns when needed.


Although he didn't play much receiver before this season, King believes Showalter can develop into a quality pass-catcher at the collegiate level. Showalter hauled in five catches for 180 yards and four touchdowns in the first half against Forrest City, and he boomed a 74-yard punt. After his dominating performance, Showalter made an official visit to the University of Missouri, the only Division I school actively recruiting him.


"Maybe somebody in (Class) 5A is playing a bigger role for their team, but I would have to see it," the coach says. "He's gone to another level this season. He's the best player I've ever coached, in Arkansas or Texas."


Showalter's devotion to summertime baseball kept him from attending many camps or combines, which King believes could have hampered his recruiting process. Showalter's age always kept him from playing summer baseball with his classmates. He's the youngest senior at Batesville High School in 2010 and won't turn 18 until after graduation.


"He's just now filling out and coming into his own physically," King says. "I think he could go to college at any level, redshirt a year then be a starter for four years. He's a phenomenal athlete."

yep, it's easy to see why virtually no one is recruiting this kid. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

whiteathlete33
10-31-2010, 03:00 PM
Similar to the Brian Dowling situation. Very few offers. Dowling has been offered from Mass, Townson, and Monmouth so far. He only ran for 300 plus yards the other day.

Jimmy Chitwood
10-31-2010, 03:11 PM
Greenbrier's dual-threat tailbackHunter Winston (http://hunterwinst&#111;n.com/index.htm) (the link includes highlight videos) appears to possess all that collegiate coaches claim they want from a prospective athlete ... but somehow, they don't want him.

this article summarizes his abilities and his lack of interest (http://www.hootens.com/recruiting-topranked-boise-state-alabama-and-others-coming-to-greenbrier_240_a.aspx) from Division One programs.


Senior running back Hunter Winston (5-10, 190) has rushed for 901 yards (7.8 yards-per-carry) and 13 TDs this season and caught 30 passes for 504 yards and eight scores (through 8 Greenbrier games, of which he missed one and barely played in another). Winston averages 22 yards per kickoff return. He injured his knee early in the season and played only three snaps in Greenbrier's 44-29 setback Week 7 against Siloam Springs. He didn't practice the following week but ran for 143 yards and two TDs and caught five passes for 146 yards and two scores against Alma.


Arkansas State, Central Arkansas and every in-state Division II school have recruited Winston. "All the college coaches say he can play. I think other schools may eventually look at him," Tribble says. "He's fast (4.5 speed), has great vision and good lateral movement that sets him up to get in the right lane. He's special with the ball in his hands."
http://thecabin.net/sites/default/files/00000000Greenbrier.jpgEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood

Jimmy Chitwood
11-04-2010, 01:05 AM
here's an article (http://www.malvern-&#111;nline.com/c&#111;ntent/glen-rose-beavers-keep-record-unblemished-51-10-win-over-cutter-morning-star-eagles) reporting on Steven Kehner's game last Friday. i'll post the excerpts below.


The tone of the night was set from the first play from scrimmage. After winning the toss the Eagles elected to put their defense on the field first. The Eagle kick off rolled dead at the Beavers' 28-yard line. Quarterback Collin Hunter handed the ball off to Steven Kehner who promptly took it to the house with a 72-yard touchdown 15 seconds after the game began ...

The punt was downed at the Eagles' 32- yard line. The first play on this Beaver drive was a repeat of the previous. Kehner scampered into the end zone on his second carry of the night ...

On the very next play, a 75-yard touchdown run by Kehner was called back due to a block in the back call ...

Glen Rose scored once more in the first, this time on a 52-yard run by Kehner ...

The Beavers scored twice in the second period. The first coming from Kehner with 9:58 left before the half from 24-yards out ...

With the clock continuously running, Kehner punched it in from 48-yards out ...

Kehner finished the night with 313 yards on 10 carries ...

FootballDad
11-04-2010, 12:00 PM
I'm sure that Kehner probably opened the eyes of some NAIA coaches! He probably doesn't have the necessary "upside" to be successful at the "next level", and it's obvious that the other team simply doesn't know how to tackle, since there's no way a white guy could possibly accomplish that unless the competition is an inferior bunch of 98 pound weaklings.http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif That will most likely be the comments from DWF's if Kehner's performance is brought up in any afflete-worshipping forum.

Jimmy Chitwood
11-04-2010, 12:18 PM
i am planning on attending Glen Rose's game tomorrow night (Nov. 5) against Prescott. it is Glen Rose's final regular season game of the year, and it should be a good matchup. going into the game Prescott is 7-2,while Glen Rose has emerged as one of the top two 3A teams in the state with a 9-0 record.

hopefully the weather will be good, as it has been rainy and cold all week in this part of the state.

Jimmy Chitwood
12-30-2010, 09:35 PM
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">As a reminder:[/B] Arkansas has six divisions, based on school enrollment, that play football in the state. The largest division is 7A, going down to the smallest, 2A. Class 1A includes schools that are too small to offer football. Private schools are forced to play up in size, meaning that they are placed in one division higher than their enrollment would dictate. (It is said they recruit, but they inevitably are all-white schools so is that even possible?) <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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Since work prevented me from staying as immersed in high school football as I'd like to have been this fall, I'll keep the most of the recaps brief this time around.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 7A[/B] (the 16 largest schools in the state) all-White (minus a sophomore black running back who is talented) Bentonville defeated nearly all-White Fayetteville, 49-28. Bentonville finished the season undefeated.
Despite being only 5-7 and 150-pounds AND running behind possibly the best offensive line in the state, the larger-than-life hype has already begun for Bentonville's sophomore tailback Tearris Wallace. Even Scout lists him as significantly larger than he really is " see for yourself here. (http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&amp;p=8&amp;c=1&amp;nid=5218103)The kid has talent, but he's already being touted as the next big thing " despite being incredibly small.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 6A[/B] (the next 16 largest schools) majority-black El Dorado defeated nearly all-black Texarkana, 31-21. White dual-threat quarterback Taylor Reed (http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&amp;p=8&amp;c=1&amp;nid=4444868), El Dorado's best athlete and player, won his second consecutive state championship. Reed's arm and legs have helped get El Dorado to the state championship game three years in a row, winning it twice, as a wide receiver when he was a sophomore and as the quarterback as a junior and senior.
Reed, who likely projects as a wide receiver at the collegiate level, led El Dorado to 24 wins in his two seasons as a starting qb.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 5A[/B] (the next 32 largest schools) all-White Greenwood knocked off majority-black Camden Fairview, 36-35. Greenwood junior tailback Justin Sunde scored 2 touchdowns in the final 3 minutes to complete a furious comeback and overcome his two fumbles in the first quarter (his only two fumbles of the year).
Just a junior, Sunde finished the game with 125 yards and 4 touchdowns on 19 carries, as well as 5 catches for 39 yards, en route to being named championship MVP. He is a prospect to keep an eye on. (http://rivals.yahoo.com/michiganstate/football/recruiting/player-Justin-Sunde-119558) Here's a nice recap of the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COkVExK5zAU

It was all-White Greenwood's 4<SUP>th</SUP> state championship victory in the last 6 years.

<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 4A[/B], all-White (minus their mulatto quarterback Kiehl Frazier) out-scored all-White Pulaski Academy (minus their mulatto quarterback), 61-40. As is typical, Frazier got all the accolades after the game, but Arkansas high school's version of Danny Wuerffel (a decent quarterback surrounded with tremendous talent results in HUGE numbers for the quarterback) had a LOT of help "
I want to go into more detail on this game, because it shows what we talk about so much. Shiloh Christian quarterback Kiehl Frazier gets ALL the recognition, including being named to at least three different all-American teams and was recruited by virtually every elite program in the nation. Yet his teammates, many of whom put up incredible numbers, are almost completely ignored. Take, for example, the following:
Four members of the Shiloh Christian football team set state records this year, according to coach Josh Floyd. They were wide receiver Zann Jones, who had 57 career receiving touchdowns; defensive lineman Samuel Harvill, who had 46.5 career sacks; freshman kicker J.T. Hale, who had 91 PAT kicks this year; and quarterback Kiehl Frazier, who was named MVP in the state championship game for an unprecedented third consecutive year. Frazier accounted for 11,217 yards and 158 touchdowns during his career.
Zann Jones (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Zann-J&#111;nes-85405), the state's all-time leader in touchdown receptions, finished the season with 66 catches for 1,507 yards (22.8 avg.) and 25 touchdowns. Jones is 5-11, has 4.5 speed, and has been offered exactly ZERO scholarships.
In addition to the aforementioned record-setters, tailback/defensive back Garrett Harper (http://rivals.yahoo.com/tulsa/football/recruiting/player-Garrett-Harper-94133) was the team's most explosive playmaker. Harper rushed for 1,445 yards and 21 touchdowns on just 130 carries (11.1 avg.), caught 42 passes for 656 yards (15.5 avg.) and 9 touchdowns, and returned 6 kickoffs on the year for 268 yards (for an incredible 44.7 avg.) and 2 more touchdowns. I'll let the following blurb from the Pulaski Academy coach after the state championship game do the talking.

While Kiehl Frazier added a third MVP trophy to his collection, Pulaski Academy coach Kevin Kelley was adamant that the difference maker on the Shiloh side was running back Garrett Harper. The senior, who missed most of the 2009 season and the playoff run with an injury, set the tone early with his hard running, as Shiloh was determined to run the football at the beginning. PA could not tackle Harper on his 24-yard scoring run that put Shiloh on the board after PA had taken a 6-0 lead. Harper had 154 yards rushing on 21 carries (7.3 yards per carry), with a long run of 26 yards. He added six catches for 36 yards and another score, a fourth quarter TD that stretched Shiloh's lead to 55-33 with 7:23 left in the game.

Harper, like Jones, possesses 4.5 speed, ideal size, and exactly ZERO scholarship offers.

Oh, by the way, in the championship game Jones caught 4 passes for 202 yards and 3 touchdowns. Yep, it's a good thing Frazier is soooooo good, else Shiloh wouldn't win a game. http://www.castefootball.us/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

The Saints (14-1) won the Class 4A state title for the third consecutive year and outscored their opponents, 711-261. The mercy rule was invoked against 11 of their 15 opponents (and every Class 4A opponent except Pulaski Academy in the championship game). Their only loss was to Trinity (Euless, Texas), which was the Texas Class 5A state runner-up.

One last thing about this game " Pulaski Academy has a phenomenal wide receiver, as well. In the game, Garrett Lamb caught 8 passes for 140 yards and three touchdowns (20, 8, and 46). He finished the year with 64 catches for 1,172 yards and 17 touchdowns (including a 99-yard catch-and-run on his second touch of the season). No one is interested in offering him a scholarship either.

<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In Class 3A[/B], majority-black Rivercrest completed a magical playoff run (complete with not having to face favored Glen Rose due to upsets throughout the bracket) edged past all-White Harding Academy, 14-10. Rivercrest finished the season undefeated.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">In the state's smallest football classification, 2A[/B], all-White Magazine defeated all-White Danville, 48-20, in an incredible defensive performance by Magazine that saw their D force 7 fumbles and score 3 touchdowns. Magazine finished the season undefeated.
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Summary:[/B] Much like last year, once again all-White or majority-White teams more than held their own against teams with "real" affletes, winning 4 of the 6 possible State Championships, including the largest classification and the state's top overall best team. 8 of the 12 championship game qualifiers were either all-White or only had a couple of black players. And, once again, in a "bizarre" twist, the one game that featured two mostly black teams saw the team with more White players win " Weird, huh?
I'm detecting a pattern here "

FootballDad
12-30-2010, 10:33 PM
Thanks for your summary of the AR high school championships, JC, they are phenomenal. As is the norm, white athletes are playing extremely well at the HS level. In MO, they cleaned up, same for NE and KS. Of course, according to Rivals, Scouts, etc.,there isn't any good talent in the middle of the country, UNLESS they are black.


I mentioned this in an earlier post, but in my experience and conversations with coaches, they really do rely a great deal on the casteon recruiting "services" to do their legwork for them. I truly believe that if a renegade coach really did his own recruiting research, an absolutely dominant white team could be assembled that would put any team to shame.

Johnsonville
07-26-2011, 08:57 AM
Another Arkansas football fan here.

How can you mention Bentonville without talking about Dallas Hardison, their quarterback?

He was pegged as the backup coming into the year, behind a kid who had started for two years (and just happens to be a world class swimmer), but had to take over after the other QB quit after the second game of the season due to an injury and not wanting to jeopardize a very promising swimming career.

All he did was break the state record for completion percentage (73%), throw 26 touchdowns to 3 interceptions and lead Bentonville to a state championship.

You mentioned Tearris Wallace. Have you ever met him? He's bigger than the 5-7, 150lbs you listed him at, as I talked to him at the SW Elite 7on7 two weekends ago. More like 5-9, 185 lbs.

He is not the kid that should rub you the wrong way though; it is Altee Tenpenny, from NLR, that has all of a sudden become the "best" player in the class of 2013. He has had a few decent combines, looks really good in a uniform and says all the right things, so of course Rivals is dotting on him.

I saw him play twice this past season (against Bentonville and Fayetteville) and he failed to go over 100 yards either time. To me, he looked good but certainly not great. But he is black and has "elite" level skills according to Rivals.

You have the perfect example of the caste system working it's magic though at Bentonville, in the case of Shane Bodecker and Courtney Haskell two seasons ago.

Bodecker was a white running back who carried the load in '09 as Bentonville won a state championship. I do not remember his exact stats but he went over 1,500 yards and had the talent to be a D-1 running back. Save for the fact that he was white.

In moves Courtney Haskell, from Warren, and Bodecker gets pushed to the side simply because Haskell was black. Never mind the fact that Haskell had to flee Warren because of "bad influences" and could hardly spell his name. Bodecker went from carrying the ball almost 200 times to just 30 times while Haskell became a sensation, running behind an all-white offensive line that could have been the best the state has ever seen.

It pissed me off to see Bodecker get pushed to the side like that for a THUG like Haskell.

I think I will make a post of the top ten white football players in Arkansas for this upcoming season, if anyone wants to read it.

Jimmy Chitwood
09-11-2011, 10:18 PM
i'm a bit behind with any updates considering most Arkansas high schools have played two games now, but them's the breaks. heh.

anyway, i've mentioned him in the Watch List thread (http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php?11843-Watch-list/page7) in the track forum, but apparently being the 4A State Champion in the 100-meters last year (as a sophomore) isn't enough speed to get Ethan Bly the starting tailback gig. but, as with so many White athletes, Bly is versatile. as a linebacker, he led the Panthers with eight tackles, including seven solo, three sacks and one tackle for loss in their season opening UPSET win over defending 4A State Campion Shiloh Christian.

i don't have any stats for him from their second game yet, however.

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the most dominant performance from the opening week of games came from Hackett's Dylan Yazel. the senior speedster (he was the fastest player at the Dallas Under-Armour Combine this spring (http://combines.underarmour.com/football/athletes/11899) with a 4.50 laser-timed 40) ran for 415 yards and 6 touchdowns (scoring on runs of 36, 76, 29, 80, 60, and 91 yards) on 14 carries and had another 65-yard scamper called back. he also had 2 catches for 47 yards and another touchdown. that's 7 touchdowns in one game. his performance earned him the Player of the Week Award from the Arkansas Touchdown Club (http://www.arkansasonline.com/videos/2011/sep/07/5031).

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in up-the-street news, Malvern quarterback Austin Warford threw for 240 yards and three touchdowns and ran for an additional 97 yards to earn the other ArPreps Player of the Week honor for week 1. Warford, one of the few White kids to suit up for the Leopards, is possibly their best athlete. go figure.

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i attended a blackie-Whitey match-up for week 2: class 7A (the biggest classification in Arkansas) Springdale Har-Ber (20 of 22 starters were White) versus (defending Class 6A State Champion) El Dorado (16 of 22 starters were black). it was an entertaining, hard-hitting contest, but filled with early-season miscues and missed opportunities. neither team's quarterback (actually two quarterbacks for Har-Ber) had much of an arm and as such struggled to get the ball to their dangerous receivers downfield.

Har-Ber boasts two should-be-Division 1 prospects (were their skin a bit darker, of course) in Evan Johnson (6-2, 4.5 40) and Michael Fine (6-5, 4.5 40) at wideout, but both were forced to try and dig short come-back routes out of the dirt all night long, as their quarterback(s) could not hit them when they were running wide open down the field.

for El Dorado (3 White starters on offense -quarterback, center, and wide receiver; 3 White starters on defense - end, outside linebacker, cornerback) there was an interesting nugget of information that i gleaned. the kicker (a highly touted soccer player) was also the aforementioned cornerback. he has never played cornerback before this year, but the coaches had to get him on the field according to local reports, because "he has terrific, 4.4 speed." in fact, he is said to be the second-fastest Wildcat on the team. his name is Colby Murphy and his brother is a wide receiver (and soccer player) at the University of Central Arkansas.

the fastest Wildcat? that would be the aforementioned wide receiver. his name is Matt Emrich and he has good size (6-1) and according to the El Dorado fans, "no one else on the team can even come close to running with him." with his quarterback possessing an arm like a well-cooked spaghetti noodle, Emrich was nothing more than a decoy on the night i was in attendance.

both teams had impressive running backs (White for Har-Ber and black for El Dorado). Har-Ber's lost a fumble on two of their first three series, though, which really cost the visiting side. El Dorado scored off both of them.

for the record El Dorado won a close one at home in a bit of an upset, 27-20.

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i'll try and post more info when i get the time.

Jimmy Chitwood
09-13-2011, 12:08 AM
a quick update on a couple of youngsters ...

back-to-back big games to start the season for Bo Weddle (http://nationalunderclassmen.ning.com/profile/BoWeddle), a sophomore tailback/linebacker for Class 2A (the smallest classification in Arkansas high school football) Carlisle against schools from larger classifications.

in week 1, Weddle ran for 124 yards and 3 touchdowns (including one 65 yard touchdown run) on just 7 carries and added one reception for a two point conversion. all those numbers came in the first half in a runaway win over 3A Riverview, 42-6.

in week 2, he followed it up with 131 yards and 2 touchdowns on 18 carries in a 30-21 win over Class 4A Bauxite. Weddle is an interesting prospect, because he has prototypical size (5-10, 185-pounds) and already posts a 4.58 in the 40 (ran this summer).

sadly, though, Carlisle has a tradition of producing two things: dominant athletic teams and terrific White athletes who get screwed by the Case System.

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Chase Stewart, who plays for Quitman High, plays both the "Welker" and cornerback. the 5-9 junior had a BIG game on Friday night: caught 5 balls for 114 yards and 2 touchdowns, returned a kickoff 85 yards for a TD, intercepted a pass, recovered an onside kick, had 5 pass breakups, and 7 tackles. not bad for a guy who carries a lunch pail and wears a blue collar.

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Rogers Heritage cornerback Alex Miles (5-10, 175-pounds) completely shut down (held to two catches for minimal yardage) the nation's #1 receiver, Dorial Green Beckham and added 2 interceptions as icing on the cake in the first half of the War Eagles blowout victory over Hillcrest (Springfield, MO).

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Jimmy Chitwood
09-15-2011, 10:30 PM
there are some excellent coaches in Arkansas, with possibly the maddest mind in the business being Kevin Kelley at Pulaski Academy (a nearly all-White private school in the suburbs of Little Rock). check out this story, which made the yahoo homepage today: Arkansas power leads team 29-0 before it can run a play (http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Arkansas-power-leads-team-29-0-before-it-can-tou?urn=highschool-wp5870). (the link includes video)

sadly, PA has a highly-touted mulatto quarterback this year (as well as a black wideout who gets a lot of pub). however, the Bruins routinely produce incredibly bad ass White athletes who are inevitably shunned by Division I collegiate progrms in favor of lesser-talented, but darker-hued, affletes.

Riddlewire
09-15-2011, 11:42 PM
You're never gonna find me cheering for one of these recruited spread-baby quotabacks that are becoming more common in Arkansas high school football.
Kelley has gotten a lot of national attention over the past few years for his football philosophies. But the local media has never taken an interest in any of his players until he imported a negro to take snaps. To hell with all of them.
Frankly, I hope ****r Springs stomps PA into mush in the state championship game (taking a big guess there:)).
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(And yes, JC, I'm perfectly aware that Janski has done the same thing with the RB position at ****r. But people generally credit that team as a whole for its success, rather than the "game changing" abiliites of some afflete. And even moreso this season, since their black RB is injured and they're still winning impressively.)

Jimmy Chitwood
09-16-2011, 07:38 PM
good points about the media's new-found fascination with Pulaski Academy, RW. "weird," isn't it?

and speaking of ****r Springs, Ethan Bly (who was the fastest sophomore in the state a year ago, the state champ in the 100-meters in Class 4A, and had one of the 8 fastest 100-meters overall) is now basically playing the "Welker," albeit for a team that doesn't pass the ball much. he's the "slotback."

despite once again receiving limited opportunites to touch the ball last week, Bly gained 93 yards and a touchdown (a 70-yarder) on just 4 carries, had 1 catch for 30 yards, and returned an interception 48 yards for a touchdown. oh, and he once again tied for the team lead in tackles. one wonders what it will take for Bly (now a junior) to become the featured runner ...

edited to add: i don't know why it's censoring the name of the the high school. it didn't get censored in RW's post. *shrug*

Riddlewire
09-16-2011, 09:12 PM
edited to add: i don't know why it's censoring the name of the the high school. it didn't get censored in RW's post. *shrug*

If you look at my post closely, you'll see that I put the first "e" in "****r" in italics. Since that breaks up the censored word, it doesn't get ****'d out.

Also,
I didn't mean to dump on your post re:Coach Kelley. I routinely forget to turn off "Curmudgeon Mode" when talking about high school football. I need to remember to do that, especially when making public posts.

Colonel_Reb
09-16-2011, 09:38 PM
I need to remember to do that, especially when making public posts.

:thumbsup: :clap2:

Jimmy Chitwood
09-16-2011, 10:50 PM
If you look at my post closely, you'll see that I put the first "e" in "****r" in italics. Since that breaks up the censored word, it doesn't get ****'d out.

Also,
I didn't mean to dump on your post re:Coach Kelley. I routinely forget to turn off "Curmudgeon Mode" when talking about high school football. I need to remember to do that, especially when making public posts.

RW, thanks for the tip on the italics. and no worries about the PA (and the too-widespread syndrome of mulatto/negro love they exhibit) comments, man. i wasn't offended in the least. to borrow a time-tested quote from the "venerable" philosopher Bill Clinton ... "i feel your pain."

Jimmy Chitwood
09-20-2011, 11:47 PM
i've never seen him play in person, nor do i know much about him ... but Jimmy Creecy, a quarterback/defensive back for Trumann (that's not a typo) High School ran for 303 yards and 7 touchdowns on just 13 carries Friday night against Paragould. he also intercepted a pass, en route to leading his team to a 53-32 win.

and, unless i'm mistaken, he did all that in the first half ...

he is the sixth player in Arkansas high school football history to run for at least seven scores in a game. it was Trumann's first victory of the season.

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twins Ryan (running quarterback) and Cory (wide receiver/running back) Chambers scored five of Magazine’s six first-half touchdowns and combined for nearly 300 rushing yards as the defending 2A state champion Rattlers rolled past Hackett 56-0.

Ryan set the tone on the Rattlers’ first offensive play, taking the snap from the Magazine 2-yard line and sprinting 98 yards for a touchdown.

Ryan rushed for 219 yards on just four carries, including touchdown runs of 98 and 78 yards. he also connected with brother Cory for a 25-yard score early in the second quarter, on his lone completion (of just 2 attempts) on the night.

Cory added 70 rushing yards on 5 carries, scoring from 9 and 34 yards.

defensively, the duo (both are defensive backs) also helped shut down Dylan Yazel, one of the top tailbacks in the state.

Ryan's season total is 459 yards on just 27 attempts for an average of 17 yards-per-carry. he also has 312 passing yards on 14 of 31 attempts with 5 touchdowns.

his brother Cory is his favorite target, who leads the Rattlers with 7 catches for 162 yards and 2 touchdowns. Cory also has 152 rushing yards on just 14 carries — an average of 10.8 yards per attempt — with two TDs.

more importantly than the numbers, last year the now-seniors led Magazine to a 2A state title. they have the Rattlers ranked as the No. 1 team again in 2011. Magazine is off to a 3-0 start, pushing their winning streak to 16 games ... unless my math is off.

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Jimmy Chitwood
09-21-2011, 11:47 PM
Greenwood senior tailback Justin Sunde (http://rivals.yahoo.com/arkansasvarsity/football/recruiting/player-Justin-Sunde-119558) was named the Arkansas Varsity player of the week for his performance against Shiloh Christian on Friday night.

Sunde (5-10, 165, 4.5) had 19 carries for 157 yards and four touchdowns against the Saints, helping lead his team to a 55-0 victory. he has led the Greenwood rushing attack for two years now, and anyone who has seen him play in person knows he is a playmaker ... yet he has yet to receive a single scholarship offer to play football.

fortunately for him, he is an even better baseball player than he is a running back. so he might still get (part of) his college paid for(since collegiate baseball players rarely get full-ride scholarships).

in related news, Friday night's game was the first time since 2004 that Shiloh Christian had been shut out. Greenwood was the team which shut them out at that time as well.

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one of Justin's 4 touchdown runs last Friday night

Riddlewire
10-09-2011, 04:01 AM
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9978/cordell.jpg

Local product Cordell Crisp (right down the road from me) is the Little Rock Touchdown Club's player of the week, after leading his Bald Knob Bulldogs team to a 71-46 victory over the Corning Bobcats.
Crisp, a 6'2" 180lb QB, was 23-43 passing for 533 yards and 7 touchdowns in the game.
That performance puts him neck and neck with overhyped private academy quotaback Fredi Knighten for the state passing lead. Knighten stands at 2,277 yards (30TD) after Friday's game, and Crisp is at 2,257 yards (26TD). Crisp who plays 3A football, doesn't have the benefit of a roster full of recruited athletes like Knighten's Pulaski Academy squad. Another factor working in favor of Knighten's inflated statistics is PA's employment of a never-punt scheme that gives many more opportunities to Knighten.

Crisp is only a Junior this season. Last year, as a Sophomore, Crisp was third in the state of Arkansas in passing with 3,863 yards and 47TDs. Assuming Bald Knob doesn't suffer serious personnel losses next year, Crisp should finish as the #2 All-Time passing quarterback in the state of Arkansas (disregarding the private schools).

Mr. Foglesworth
11-28-2011, 06:19 AM
Long time lurker, first time poster. Simple because this is a story that most be told.

Greenwood High School, located in the River Valley region of Arkansas is one of the most successful programs in the state. They have made 6 of the past 8 state championships game in their class and won 3 of those.

What's astonishing (to most) is that the Bulldogs have never had a single negro player play for their team in the history of their program.

Last Friday night they played a team from southern Arkansas, Camden Fairview, who is just "loaded" with "athletes". Read: almost an all back team.

After falling behind 31-10 due to some costly mistakes and some very questionable calls, the Bulldogs stormed back in the second half and ended up winning 33-31.

Perhaps the best line of the night came from a sportswriter who marveled at the team speed of Greenwood and commented that it was the deciding factor in the game. Now, how could that possibly be true? Camden Fairview is filled with blacks who are supposedly some of the best athletes in the state. There is now way that Greenwood, who is as pale as snow, could possibly outclass them in the speed department.

In other news, class 7A Bentonville, who is ranked in the top ten in the nation and starts 3 black players managed to somehow defeat a NLR that starts only 3 white players. And in convincing fashion, 31-7.

FootballDad
11-28-2011, 10:56 AM
Welcome to the board, Mr. Foglesworth! Good to hear about the success of the white teams (not like this is some sort of aberration) in Arkansas. Here in Missouri and my neighboring Kansas, we had a similar "white out" in virtually all of the state championship games over the weekend. Of course, virtually NONE of the players on the winning teams are going to play at the next level, while most of the losers have their AA scholarships lined up. Sickening.

Carolina Speed
11-28-2011, 01:30 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster. Simple because this is a story that most be told.

Greenwood High School, located in the River Valley region of Arkansas is one of the most successful programs in the state. They have made 6 of the past 8 state championships game in their class and won 3 of those.

What's astonishing (to most) is that the Bulldogs have never had a single negro player play for their team in the history of their program.

Last Friday night they played a team from southern Arkansas, Camden Fairview, who is just "loaded" with "athletes". Read: almost an all back team.

After falling behind 31-10 due to some costly mistakes and some very questionable calls, the Bulldogs stormed back in the second half and ended up winning 33-31.

Perhaps the best line of the night came from a sportswriter who marveled at the team speed of Greenwood and commented that it was the deciding factor in the game. Now, how could that possibly be true? Camden Fairview is filled with blacks who are supposedly some of the best athletes in the state. There is now way that Greenwood, who is as pale as snow, could possibly outclass them in the speed department.

In other news, class 7A Bentonville, who is ranked in the top ten in the nation and starts 3 black players managed to somehow defeat a NLR that starts only 3 white players. And in convincing fashion, 31-7.

Yes, welcome aboard Mr. Foglesworth. I'm curious, how many students attend a 7A high school in Arkansas?

referendum
11-28-2011, 01:39 PM
Footballdad, you mentioned how very few of the victorious white team players on Missouri's high school championship teams will get football scholarships but lots of blacks on the losing teams will. I'd like to do some research on the actual numbers and teams involved. Any suggestions on sites and teams to look into?

FootballDad
11-28-2011, 02:36 PM
Now that's a massive undertaking. First, you can get the game results and photos, etc. from sites such as St. Louis High School Sports (http://stlhighschoolsports.mycapture.com/mycapture/category.asp?CategoryID=53201), which has extensive photo libraries of all Missouri State Championship games, and most of the elimination rounds as well. MaxPreps is always a good source for info as well. On the Kansas City side, and for some of Kansas, the KC Star's Varsity Zone (http://varsity.kansascity.com/custom/article&news_id=5397)is an adequate source for information. For more Kansas info, VarsityKansas (http://www.varsitykansas.com/photos/) is also good, you can check out South Kansas' favorite team, Wichita Heights, which is virtually all black (and lost to virtually all-white Olathe South in the finals, see photo below of victorious honkys).

Finally, after all names and such have been gathered, you can go to all of our favorite caste-whore recruiting sites and be dazzled by the losing black athletes while "whitey" is ignored and has to walk-on at great personal expense to even get a look.

http://media.varsitykansas.com/smedia/2011/11/26/18/22/295-1e2Vbf.St.80.jpg

Mr. Foglesworth
11-29-2011, 01:12 AM
Yes, welcome aboard Mr. Foglesworth. I'm curious, how many students attend a 7A high school in Arkansas?

Range is 2,416 to 1,334.

Median is 1,706.

Average is 1,810.

Carolina Speed
11-29-2011, 07:54 AM
Range is 2,416 to 1,334.

Median is 1,706.

Average is 1,810.

Thanks Mr. Foglesworth. People here have the misconception that a 7A school must have 4,000/5,000 students, because our classification only goes to 4A, which is 1,800/2,800 students. 1A being the smallest classification, 300/600 students.

Jimmy Chitwood
07-13-2012, 05:46 PM
i've been sorely struggling for internet time of late, and consequently this thread has suffered mightily ... sorry about that. but here's a quick update (hopefully to be followed by several more in-depth posts in the not-too-distant future):

for anyone A interested and has the time, there is a prestigious 7-on-7 tournament going on in Northwest Arkansas today and tomorrow (Friday and Saturday, July 13-14) hosted by Shiloh Christian High A (Springdale). according to the papers, there are 32 teams from 8 states (and over a dozen Division One signees and a slew of potential signees) playing in the tourney. Chad Beebe (a name familiar at CF and a commitment to Northern Illinois) and Aurora Christian came all the way from Illinois to play, showing just how much of a draw this tourney has, going along with the in-state teams in attendance, of course.

at any rate, this tournament is a first-class production, including live streaming of many of the games, as well as archives of the broadcasts. you can check it out if you're interested by following the link: www.elite7on7.com

Jimmy Chitwood
07-16-2012, 05:21 PM
the increasingly prestigious Southwest Elite 7-on-7 tourney wrapped up on Saturday afternoon, with 32 teams from 8 states working to improve their passing attack. not surprisingly to those of us at CF, White athletes shined throughout the competition. i was able to attend the final day and saw a great deal of excellence on display.

the final 4 teams in the double-elimination tournament featured all-White Spingdale Har-Ber, nearly all-White Fayetteville (both from Northwest Arkansas), mostly-White Aurora Christian (Illinois), and all-black except for one player Sherman (Texas). Sherman's lone White player was their quarterback/free safety who was their best player.

Fayetteville won the tournament, defeating Sherman in the championship game (their second win over the Texas team), and going undefeated behind the stellar passing of quarterback and tournament MVP Austin Allen (committed to play for the University of Arkansas) and playmaking safety/wideout Alex Brignoni (committed to play for the University of Arkansas). Fayetteville has several talented White wideouts, but most of the offensive acclaim not given to Allen goes to their lone black receiver (Jordan Dennis) and short, fat, slow running back (Brice Gahagans).

another Arkansas kid that was impressive was Mayflower sophomore quarterback-turned-wideout Adam Dycus. Dycus came into the tourney without much acclaim, but he was a standout, turning in numerous big plays. he is a youngster to watch.

Aurora Christian wide receiver Chad Beebe was simply uncoverable, playing primarily in the slot. unfortunately for the Eagles, they've yet to settle their questions at the quarterback position and they have more questions at cornerback.

for anyone who is interested, you can check out the archived games at the site i linked in the post above this one.

Jimmy Chitwood
07-24-2012, 01:05 PM
Hunter Henry, a 6-6, 235-pound tight end from Pulaski Academy (Little Rock, AR; class of 2013) committed to the Arkansas Razorbacks last week. regarded as one of the top tight ends in the nation, Henry is a pass-catching playmaker with good speed for a big guy (reports vary from 4.7 to 4.8 in the 40), hauling in 64 receptions for 1,091 yards and 16 touchdowns as a junior for the 4A state champion Bruins. he had 45 catches for 748 yards and 10 touchdowns as a sophomore.

more comfortable as a receiver than a blocker, Henry was usually split out wide at PA (ala Dallas Clark for the Indianapolis Colts). he picked up most of his yardage after the catch, as well.

Henry had offers from more than 25 schools, including Stanford, Notre Dame, Florida, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Auburn.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o9qRLCXXoo

Jimmy Chitwood
07-26-2012, 01:09 AM
the annual FCA Combine in North Little Rock is considered by many to be "the" place to perform if you're an Arkansas kid and you want to get recruited. this year, as is so often the case, several White kids stood out.

a couple of skill position guys that i want to specifically mention were unheralded "for some reason" coming into the Combine.

despite rushing for 3,001 yards last year (#3 all-time in the state), tailback Logan Best (McCrory; class of 2013) was dismissed as just another small school back putting up big numbers. apparently Best didn't realize that he isn't "talented enough," because he ran MUCH faster than the "experts" predicted. the 5-10, 175-pound Best ran times of 4.56 and 4.59, proving he was one of the fastest attendees. decent speed combined with incredible production (running for 427 yards in a single game-the #5 all-time performance in state history; and scoring 7 touchdowns in a playoff game-the #1 performance in state history), should get Best a look ... if it weren't for the Caste System, that is.

a name virtually no one was talking about coming into the Combine was Jacob Eason (Van Buren; class of 2013), which is "weird" considering he is not only one of the state's top hurdlers (#2 at Meet of Champs and at the State meet in 300 hurdles; PR of 39.75), but he is also an explosive dual-threat quarterback (1,540 passing; 672 rushing; 15 touchdowns).

at 6-0, 180-pounds, Eason wasn't hard to spot at the Combine, though. he was the White kid who blazed a 4.47 in the 40. only two "real" affletes posted better top times.

hopefully these kids will get the attention they deserve by putting up even better numbers this fall.

Jimmy Chitwood
07-27-2012, 07:46 PM
the National Select 7-on-7 Championships are currently going on in Hoover, AL, and they'll be running through Saturday evening.

two Arkansas high school teams are participating in this year's tourney, with 32 teams from 13 different states competing.

you might be wondering why i'm bothering mentioning a 7-on-7 tournament, even a nationally-elite one. well, it's because three of the past seven winners of the National Select 7-on-7 have come from Northwest Arkansas: Springdale (2004), Shiloh Chrsitian (2006), and Springdale Har-Ber (2008).

and while it's obvious that 7-on-7 isn't real football, it does showcase the abilities of wideouts to get open and catch the ball, defensive backs' ability to cover, and whether or not quarterbacks can read coverages and hit their receivers. it is a game of skill and speed ... yet despite the fact that NWA schools are routinely among the nation's elite, virtually no wideouts or defensive backs from NWA are recruited ... only the quarterbacks are.

i wonder if it's because virtually all those talented wide receivers, safeties, and cornerbacks in Northwest Arkansas are White kids ...

anyone who is interested in the action can see live-streaming games online: http://www.select7on7.com/

Jimmy Chitwood
08-23-2012, 11:50 PM
barring something unforeseen, i'll be able to watch a lot of high school football around the state this fall. that being said, there is a pair of White speedsters that i am certainly going to try and see even though they don't play anywhere near my neck of the woods.

****r Springs, a virtually all-White school, is a prime example of the Caste System in action. they have two of the fastest football players (and sprinters) in the entire state ... however, they happen to be White. so when two "real" speedsters (read that as two blacks who were slower, smaller, less productive, BUT they were black!!!) came to town, the White "boys" took a back seat.

at any rate, the blacks have "graduated" and are now playing college ball (despite being small and slow), and the two White kids finally get a crack at making plays.

Ethan Bly will be the primary tailback after only getting a handful of touches last year, despite averaging nearly 10 yards-per-carry (385 yards on 39 carries) and scorching defenses in the passing game with 309 yards receiving on only 10 catches (for a whopping 30.9 ypc average). oh, and he was the best defender on the team, as well, leading the team in tackles (42 solo), sacks (5), and interceptions (2).

at 5-11, 205-pounds, what makes Bly truly special is his breakaway speed. he might be the fastest 100-meter sprinter in the state, winning a 4A state championship in the 100 as a sophomore (an injured hamstring prevented him from defending his title as a junior). he's not just speed, though, as he can bench 300 pounds, squat 465, and power clean 265.

his running mate, both figuratively and literally, is fellow senior Clint Ligon. he should be the featured target in the passing game this season, while also chipping in at running back. the 6-1, 175-pound Ligon was the 4A state champion in both the 110- and 300-hurdles. he also hurdled a defender last year en route to scoring a touchdown, but in Arkansas that's against the rules so the amazing play was called back. weird.

at any rate, i'm eager to see these two kids showcase their speed, and i eagerly anticipate an opportunity to watch them play.

here's an interesting profile on the pair, who've been best friends since fourth grade:
http://www.thesuntimes.com/article/20120817/SPORTS/120819759

http://arweb.gat.atl.publicus.com/storyimage/AR/20120817/SPORTS/120819759/AR/0/AR-120819759.jpg%26MaxW%3D317%26MaxH%3D230
Ethan Bly (left) and Clint Ligon

Jimmy Chitwood
08-25-2012, 12:54 PM
another White football athlete/sprinter that i will be going to see this fall is free safety Chase Lamers of Rogers High.

Lamers is the reigning Arkansas Gatorade Track Athlete of the Year. he won the 7A (Arkansas' largest classification) State Championship in both the 100- and 200-meters last year as a junior. he also took 3rd in the 200 and 4th in the 400 in the Meet of Champs. as a skinny junior (6-foot-2, 170-pounds), he proved himself to be one of the elite sprinters in the state.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/kevinault_photos/chaselamers.jpg

this year, as the senior leader of an inexperienced Mounties secondary, he is looking to help Rogers improve from a disappointing 2-8 season a year ago. in addition to his experience, the fleet-footed (personal bests of 11.04 in the 100 and 22.16 in the 200) Lamers is expected to make a lot of plays and cover up his teammates' mistakes from his free safety spot. hopefully, the very skinny speedster has physically matured a bit over the summer. if he has, his already impressive speed will become much, much faster.

below, i've posted the videos of his Championship races.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g60W3K0zEw

you can see him as the only White runner in the 200-meters, where he wins it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDoPx25h9eM
(for some reason, i can't link two videos in one post)

in the 100, the only other White runner (who takes second place) is Bradley Culp (Fayetteville High, AR). he is another terrific example of the Caste System, as he was a dominant receiver/cornerback who received virtually no interest from Division I football programs despite his ideal size (6-2, 180-pounds), game-breaking ability (had 65 receptions for 1,198 yards and 12 touchdowns while leading Fayetteville to the State Championship in football), obvious speed (4.4 in the 40) and athleticism (7A runner-up in the 100-meters, 3rd-place 110-hurdles, State Champ in the pole vault, 6th-place in the long jump, and State Champ in the decathlon; he was a two-time State Champ in the event). he ended up walking on to the Razorbacks, although he received a couple of late offers elsewhere.

Jimmy Chitwood
08-29-2012, 11:21 PM
the first big caste matchup of the 2012 football Arkansas high school season took place on Monday night, when all-White Shiloh Christian took on nearly all-black Warren. Shiloh emerged victorious, 26-25 in a thriller.

Shiloh Christian, a tiny private school with a total high school (grades 9-12) enrollment of approximately 200 total students, has once again set the bar high for themselves. they will be playing in Class 5A (the third-largest division of Arkansas high school football), despite having an enrollment that should have them competing in Class 2A (the smallest division). they voluntarily moved up in classification for the challenge, according to their coach, and aren't concerned with the hardships their small numbers will place on them.

they've won 7 State Championships since 1998, including 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010.

on Monday night, the Saints were ahead of the Lumberjacks 14-12 at the half, but gave up a couple of big plays (they struggled to stop the run all night, and gave up 300 yards rushing to the Lumberjacks' talented tailback) and found themselves down 25-14 with 4:44 left in the game. fortunately, Shiloh has a potent air attack, led by senior wide receiver Ryan Michaelis.

the affletic secondary simply couldn't stop the "hustling, blue collar-wearing, lunch pail-bringing, precise route running, overacheiving, gym rat" when it mattered. Michaelis caught 2 touchdown passes (from 46 yards and 15 yards) as part of his 9-catch, 214-yard night, and it was just enough to allow the Saints to emerge with the win over class 4A (despite an enrollment several times larger than Shiloh's) powerhouse Warren.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/kevinault_photos/ryanmichaelisshilohchristian.jpg
Ryan Michaelis luxuriates in the end zone after repeatedly toasting an all-black secondary

another guy on Shiloh's team to keep an eye on is junior tailback/defensive back Chris Cox. you can see his sophomore highlights here:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/492467/#highlights/10601385

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two more caste matchups will take place tomorrow night (Thursday, August 30) at Razorback Stadium in Fayetteville, when tough-but-not-very-talented (and mostly-White) Siloam Springs from Class 6A takes on nearly all-black (and #3 in Class 5A) Watson Chapel, followed by extremely talented, defending 7A (Arkansas' largest classification) State Champion, and #1-ranked in the state (and nearly all-White) Fayetteville High faces off against diverse Memphis University High School (TN).

weather permitting, i will be in attendance for both of those games.

Riddlewire
08-30-2012, 01:16 AM
Who is Shiloh's QB this year?

Jimmy Chitwood
09-01-2012, 01:51 AM
Who is Shiloh's QB this year?

junior Daniel Shimer won the competition to be the starter, but he injured an ankle in game-week practice and was out for the season opener. Casey Paraday (a senior) took the snaps against Warren and was solid.

Shimer, when healthy, brings a dynamic dual-threat option to the job, as he was one of the top 200-meter sprinters in the state as a sophomore. Paraday is more of a traditional qb.

Jimmy Chitwood
09-01-2012, 12:01 PM
a brief re-cap from my Thursday night's game-watching:

Siloam Springs gave a game effort, but they simply aren't very good and were significantly overmatched against Warren (who started just 3 White men: the quarterback, the center/team captain, and a defensive tackle). the Panthers hit hard, but they're slow and small, and their two best defenders are sophomores. it'll be a long year for Siloam Springs' fans.

the Fayetteville-Memphis University School matchup wasn't nearly as caste-significant as i thought it would be. Fayetteville had a lone black offensive starter (highly overrated tailback Brice Gahagans) and appeared to have two black starters on defense (a corner and a defensive tackle). Memphis University appeared to start only one black starter on defense (a corner), but their offense was more racially-appropriate. they started a black tailback and three black receivers to go along with a snow plow, a White qb, and a White receiver. Memphis University ran away with the contest.

in other big-school news, all-White Cabot knocked off all-black Jacksonville, all-White Rogers-Heritage upset diverse Fort Smith Southside, (almost) all-White Bentonville beat up on Kansas City (MO) Rockhurst, all-White Springdale Har-Ber got whooped by Webb City (MO), and (almost) all-White Lake Hamilton got smoked by mostly-black North Little Rock.

one last game to mention is the Pulaski Academy-Chaminade (CA) contest. the PA Bruins, a nearly all-White private school just outside of Little Rock is much like Shiloh Christian, in that both teams have a small student body yet compete against teams with a much larger enrollment. in the case of traveling to California, they played a team with a much, much larger enrollment. still, PA led for most of the game and had a 13-point lead with less than 3 minutes, before turnovers ruined their chances. ultimately, they lost by 10, 49-39. still it was a very impressive effort for the away team.

a couple of individual performances of note:

Gravette's junior tailback Cody Robinson ran for 208 yards and 1 touchdown on 24 carries in a win over Lamar.

Pea Ridge all-state tailback Dayton Winn (a senior) ran for 225 yards and 5 touchdowns in a blowout win over Elkins.

Gentry's Jerod Cousins, a junior starting in his first game at quarterback after shifting from wide receiver, ran for 195 yards and 3 touchdowns and threw for another score in a stiff contest against West Fork.

Jimmy Chitwood
09-04-2012, 11:47 PM
i forgot to mention defensive lineman Brennan Warren's big season debut. the Farmington senior had 4 sacks and helped hold Huntsville to a mere 47 yards rushing in the Cardinals' opening game.