We Are ’The Greatest’

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We Are 'The Greatest'


Although the major media is in a state of denial it has become obvious that the best boxers in the world are white. Saturday, Wladimir Klitschko destroyed what was considered the best black heavyweight in the world, Chris Byrd, with a 7th round KO after beating him severely all fight.


With Sergei Liakhovich's unanimous victory over Lamon Brewster a couple of weeks ago for the WBO heavyweight title, white boxers now hold three of the four heavyweight titles. The other was held by Vitali Klitschko, Wlad's brother, until he retired due to injuries a few months ago. It is entirely likely that white fighters will hold all four heavyweight titles in a few months time.


Boxing is an odd sport by any measure. It is hard to determine who controls what belt and what organization and why certain fights are scheduled. It is possible that many fights are fixed considering the low moral nature of the people who control the game. It is also a brutal activity where large skilled men beat each other about the head, body, and face, until one of them is beaten into unconsciousness or hammered into a bloody mess.


But there is a great primal interest in the sport. It is quite literally a war between two men. While other sports speak the language of war with illusions to "bombs," "blitzes" and "battles," these are merely hyperbola concerning athletes that are protected from pain and injury as much as possible.


Boxers however will bleed and suffer, and occasionally they die during their fights. This makes boxing extremely popular as it is one of the last dangerous activities in a world awash in safety paranoia and risk aversion. As such boxing is also big money as major fights generate millions of dollars in revenue.


Occasionally a fighter will catch the interest of the masses and become popular for more than his skills in the ring. Muhammad Ali was once considered the most identifiable man in the world and recently Mike Tyson's psychotic behavior made him a popular figure.


Most of the glamour is reserved for the heavyweight division, as it follows that they are the biggest and therefore the "baddest." For most of the last 50 years the heavyweight division has been dominated by American black fighters. Their success in this venue was an important part of the success (such as it is) of their culture. As one after another black fighter won the heavyweight crown the idea that blacks were the toughest people on the planet was hyped and sold to most of the world's population.


Much of American social policy and many of the attitudes and opinions of the public are based upon the concept that blacks are the indisputable toughest people on the planet. Much of the fear and capitulation of the white social order is based upon the faulty premise that blacks are so strong and so mean and so desperate that nobody can stand in their way when they are challenged in a fight.


Thus we are told: it is only the unfairness of white society and the rigged game of racial politics that keeps the black man down. When he is freed of those shackles he is able to reign superior. This is the moral basis of the Caste System in sports and government mandated favoritism towards blacks (and other non-whites) in our society.


But now that is all being exposed as a fraud. The lie is based on a false premise. The premise that blacks could ultimately dominate if the game was not fixed against them has been proven wrong due to a reason no one had suspected — that the game was still fixed for a particular group of whites, who, had they been allowed to play, would themselves have dominated. That group of whites was those powerful warriors that were trapped behind the Iron Curtain of communism.


With the lifting of the dark chapter of Russian communism in white history, the floodgates have been opened and a selection of the world's best athletes are making their way to the global market. Russian and other eastern European fighters are proving that they are the strongest, the meanest, and yes, the baddest group of people on the planet.


This fact is very inconvenient for those elites that currently occupy high places in the world order. If it can be shown that the premises upon which they have built the multi-cultural, anti-white, modern society, are undeniably false, then the repercussions could be serious for them. The average white person may be oblivious to the sophisticated manipulation of news, law, and politics, as it seeks to undermine, exploit, and eventually overrun him. However, the gut reaction to seeing a member of his race pounding representatives of the new athletic "master" race to a bloody pulp and then standing over the beaten victim triumphantly does wonders for opening the eyes of even the most reality-challenged sports fan.


As more and more white fighters win more and more boxing contests, along with their utter domination of other less publicized fighting venues such as UFC and mixed martial arts, it will engender a pride, a swagger, a return of confidence to the average white sports fan that his people are strong and capable of being winners.


The last 50 years have seen an unending propaganda assault with the express intent of sending the opposite message. It has been sent so as to insinuate that the white race is weak and cowardly and thus unwilling and unable to resist the assault of non-whites upon their homelands and culture. Surely it is easy to see who has profited from sending the message: "White man you are weak."


The sports media does its best to not notice the rising dominance of white fighters. But facts are facts. Considering the weight divisions from 140 lbs. and up, the racial breakdown is 15 white titleholders, 6 black, and 6 hispanic, with plenty more white champs coming. This startling statistic is surely unknown to even the most rabid of sports fans as the dominant paradigm seeks to ignore all success by white people in favor of super-hyping any success by non-whites.


It is not a coincidence that virtually all of the best fighters in boxing hail from the eastern most tribe of our people. These (mostly) Slavic people have a well-deserved reputation as physically imposing, fierce warriors. While many of these people are among the most handsome and beautiful in the world there is no question that many Slavs have the sharp features that one associates with a primitive toughness. Some of the best boxers from that area appear as physically threatening as any of the crude black fighters that formerly dominated the game.


There are some odd similarities between the black boxers that once dominated the sport and the new white fighters that will soon reign supreme. The genetic stock of the American black heavyweights is made up almost entirely of West Africans. West Africans are larger and more physically imposing then any of the other African subgroups. Compare the distinctive features of the West African to his cousins in the north or south of the continent. Africans in the north have less pronounced features, such as smaller lips, thinner noses, and much slimmer builds. Africans native to the south of the continent are often very small and slight.


The Slavic people also appear to represent that end of the spectrum for the white genotype. Slavic people are often physically large with prominent foreheads, cheekbones and flatter noses. They too are on the fringe of their peoples cultural scale, although not to the extent of the west Africans but quite so by comparison to western Europeans.


Notice that it is often a Croat or a Slav that fights against the black dominance of the NBA. It is frequently a Belarussian or a Latvian that wins an Olympic sprint race against a field of blacks or a Czech that wins the decathlon. It is Russian women that make up the best players in women's tennis. Even in the NHL it is often Eastern European players that dominate.


This is not to say that Anglo-Saxons, Scots, French, Germans, or Italians, do not produce great athletes. It is merely to observe that our people have distinctive subgroups amongst them and that certain of these groups are the match, or even better, for those same subgroups amongst other peoples when matched in specialty events.


There are many benefits to ending the anti-white Caste System and the Caste System mentality that exists in athletic competition. The benefits of re-establishing the confidence of white people in our ability to fight and win will echo from the sports fields and the boxing ring to make itself heard in the corridors of influence and power in the political world as well. Victory on the field and in the ring will change more minds and have a greater effect then any rational argument in changing the spirit and will of our people.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/jebcash/album2/klitbyrd4.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/jebcash/album2/klitbyrd12.jpg

[Poacher]

In that last photo Vlad looks like he was carved out of marble. Great column.

"With the lifting of the dark chapter of Russian communism in white history, the floodgates have been opened and a selection of the world's best athletes are making their way to the global market."

I wish you wouldn't have used the phrase "Russian communism." There was nothing Russian about the Bolshevik revolution. But either way your point stands.

"The last 50 years have seen an unending propaganda assault with the express intent of sending the opposite message. It has been sent so as to insinuate that the white race is weak and cowardly and thus unwilling and unable to resist the assault of non-whites upon their homelands and culture. Surely it is easy to see who has profited from sending the message: "White man you are weak.""

Yes, this is the case undeniably. The peoples of Russia and the eastern bloc were not exposed to this propaganda to the same extent as other men of the west.

While ten year old American white boys in trailer parks walk around trying to emulate whichever negro athlete is being forced on us that particular week, ten year old white boys in Russia are growing up trying to be like Fedor Emelianenko, the Pride HW champ. While ten year old American white girls in trailer parks are growing up watching undignified and unattractive female negro tennis and basketball players, ten year old white girls in Russia are trying to emulate Maria Sharapova.

This victory by Vlad was great for us. Now if Maskaev can beat Rahman (again)(I believe Maskaev knocked him out of the ring the last time they fought) all four HW belts will be in the hands of whites as well as the HW belts for Pride and UFC as well as those of all ten weight classes of the recent NCAA wrestling championships. Muhammed Ali indeed. PFFFFFT.

[White warlord]

Best damn news I have heard in awhile god this is making me even more proud to be WHITE. I love it guys, thanks for posting it J.B, I was totally ecstatic while reading the whole article my wife was also very, very happy. I wish I could find out where to buy the DVD's of Vlad's Wladimir's and Sergei's boxing matches so I could watch them with my son and family. I think other White Americans should do the same. This isn't about patriotism (although I would love to see a huge white American boxer win a heavy weight title) of America in my opinion anymore this is about being Patriotic to our race! My son will definitely know who Vlad, Sergei, and Wladimir are, they are OUR HERO I will honor these fine white warriors, and every white born person in the world should also. It's said how the free media in America has ignored this. I wouldn't have know anything about how many whites hold titles in boxing or the UFC, I use to watch UFC with my friends and the whites in the sport made me proud, but sadly I've had to give up my satellite dish in order to help pay for my wife's college. If anyone could give me the information to buy the DVD's of these boxers and UFC battles, I would very much appreciate it. Once again thx for informing me about this, I have heroes now of my race that will make me smile for months.

[jaxvid]

I don't know where you could get tapes but here is a link where you can download the fight and watch it on your computer. the site is free but sometimes you have to wait to get an open line. It is a big file so you have to have DSL or cable to download it. But it is a great fight to watch. Wlad absolutely destroyed Byrd. He is a great fighter. It was a pleasure to watch.

Klitschko vs. Byrd (http://www.sendspace.com/file/xe5vra)

[Jimmy Chitwood]

i just want to add that J.B. has written yet another fantastic column! as well as his normal cogent argument, this one was packed with essential statistics, many of which i was completely unaware of.

keep up the great work!

[Realgeorge]

Hooray for J.B. Cash! Great White Articles on Great White Warriors!

Vladimir Klitschko the boxer, and Alex Ovechkin, the wunderkind hockey warrior. You've touched on a great lodestone of white survival: The Slavic Warrior. Doing quite well, these new Russian arrivals to America.

I propose a new American immigration policy: Import 40 million newly-liberated white Slavs. Then export 40 million illegals and other parasites.

[Iron]

I can see why people view the Slavic and Eastern Europeans nations as the hope of white survival.They have everything the West now seems to have lost,their men are masculine and tough,the women very beautiful and effeminate,the way things should be.Their cities are clean and nice places to live.It shows you the damage liberals and political correctness have done as the West seems to be the opposite.Weak men,aggresive femenist women and fifthy cultureless dumps we call cities.It wasnt always this way,you only have to watch old movies,even a simple Laural and Hardy comedy to get an idea of how things used to be compared to now.

[Colonel_Reb]

It really is almost unreal to see this happening after so many years of black dominance. I am so glad we are now able to write things like this that are reality and not just speculation. I hope the whites unify the belt and that some American whites will work their way into contention for the title. Great work JB!

[Gary]

J.B what can I say!! Another great article!! You and I seem to have a lot in common in the way we think and write, keep up the good work! This article was one of the best!!!

[White warlord]

I don't know where you could get tapes but here is a link where you can download the fight and watch it on your computer. the site is free but sometimes you have to wait to get an open line. It is a big file so you have to have DSL or cable to download it. But it is a great fight to watch. Wlad absolutely destroyed Byrd. He is a great fighter. It was a pleasure to watch.

Klitschko vs. Byrd (http://www.sendspace.com/file/xe5vra)

Jaxvid THANK YOU for sending me the link to download the fight man, OMG Vlad totally OWNED Byrd. I mean it was total Massacre!!!!! Anyone notice how Vlad fights with his left arm out 24/7 and how he HOOKS with it in the out position? I mean I was so amazed by it! I've NEVER seen a boxer fight with that type of stance and it totally ripped Byrd a new one, every time he tried to throw punches it was always tangled in Vlads arm LOL!! The power of Vlad's Right, was stunning to watch also I mean GOD, it was like a Cannon going off! Byrd really didn't have any idea what he was stepping into on this one. Did anyone also note Chris Byrd's white wife shouting at him from ring side that he was fighting stupid? LOL!!!! I thought it was so comical. I wish I was there so I could have asked the stupid woman, what was happening to her ALL powerful African fighting, lover now?

BIG thanks to J.B and Jaxid on this. Thank you 1000 times guys for showing me this powerful Aryan-hero!!

[White_Savage]

J.B.

This is the first time I've ever had to say this to you...

I think you're really stretching to make a point here, and I don't believe a word of it.

I haven't any evidence for much, if any genetic difference between Slavic and other Nordic Europeans.

The largest largest average humans on Earth in fact, are still Scandinavians. Interestingly, the very word "Slave" and "Slave" are related, because of Viking depredations into ancient Slavic lands, and naturally, a huge portion of the genetics of Russians would come from the "Russ", the Viking invaders.

I don't think the thing is so much some natural advantage for the Slavic subgroup, but a combination of other factors. Well, let me backtrack abit-I think the East Europeans might be somewhat stronger and healthier genetically due to harsh conditions, since they basically came out of the Middle Ages in the 20th century, and haven't exactly had it easy in the 20th century, while most Western Europeans have lived somewhat easier under prosperous capitalism for a long time. Not because their subgroup is different from other Whites. So ironically, because of our genius, productivity, and humanity, there's been less "weeding out of the week". Combine this with the fact that the Russian has not grown up with a racial mentality telling him that blacks are better and the fact that Russians are still poor enough to go into boxing and work hard, and I think you have the answer.

By the way, I thought the flatter nose and other different facial features you sometimes see in E. Europeans was a product of some slight admixture with Mongol stock.

[KG2422]

It was once thought that American Whites were the best athletes in the world because we were of "pioneering" stock.

[Bart]

J.B.

Interestingly, the very word "Slave" and "Slave" are related,


You probablyinteneded to write Slav and slave.Over the course of time I've read several articles about the etymological roots of the word Slav. Most authorities having an understanding ofSlavic languages disagree wilth the Slav= slave supposition. There are some very scholarly, lengthy studies availableon the web, but this brief summary echoes the thoughts of several other writers be they Russian,Ukranian, Serbian, Slovene, Croatian etc.


http://www.unicorne.org/orthodoxy/articles/alex_roman/origin (http://www.unicorne.org/orthodoxy/articles/alex_roman/originslav.htm) slav.htm
Origin of the Word "Slav"


The actual origin of the term "Slav" can be readily determined in accordance with the way in which it was historically used by the Slavic peoples.


At the outset, the Latin (not Greek) word for "slave" was spelled quite differently from its anglicized derivative. Western words such as these in Latin would not have been used by the Slavs in the East in their earliest history. Far from being slaves to anyone, the early history of Rus' demonstrates that the Slavs were not only war-like and independent-minded, but they actually made war several times against the Roman Empire at its later capital city of Byzantium. There are several Greek Church commemorations of Byzantium being saved through Divine intervention from the onslaught of the Slavic armies.


"Slava" means "glory." In actual fact, this term has nothing to do with any other country's assessment of Slavic culture and traditions, but with the spirit of Slavic values.


The glory that is talked about here is not about the egotism of achieving personal glory through heroic acts so that everyone else may acclaim it.


To achieve "Glory" has meant, to the Slavs in history, an heroic self-sacrifice of individuals and groups on behalf of the interests of their wider community and nation. To give one's life for the preservation or in defence of one's nation is to have truly achieved "Glory." This meaning is also wonderfully captured in the phrase coined by Metropolitan Ilarion Ohienko, "To serve one's people is to serve God."


That "glory" doesn't end with the sacrifice of the individuals, however. The story of such heroic struggles against all odds became deeply imbedded in the consciousness and oral and written tradition of the Slavic peoples who constantly referred to them, especially in times of crisis, as to sources of inspiration for the present. "Glory" is also a foundation of values to which Slavs aspire and point to as their glorious past. Even Slavic Saints are markedly different in their character than other Saints in that service to their nation/society is something that tends to be the guide-post of their lives.


Slavs are therefore very highly socially developed as a people. Their traditions reflect this brilliantly. For example, the formal prayers after meals are interrupted to allow for everyone to thank the person(s) who prepared it. There are many examples too numerous to list here.


This is also why the Orthodox Christian Faith took such a great hold on them, especially the Eastern Slavs. Orthodoxy is the religion of the worship of the Holy Trinity which is a social conception of God. All this relates back to the social understanding of glory and "Slava" which is at the root of Slavic history and values.


Dr. Alexander Roman

[JB Cash]

Thanks to everybody that took the time to write in response to the article. Feedback is always welcome.

In response to Mr. Savage: I gather your point is that there is no, or very little, difference between Slavs and Nordic's. I think that point is at least debatable although there may be good cause to agree with you. I will note that Herr Hitler felt that they were VERY different, which should be good enough for you (just kidding) and I expect that the respective groups consider themselves quite different.

Considering the high athletic achievement recently by the Eastern Europeans in opposition to even Germans, amongst white athletes, it can only be credited to either nature (genes) or nurture (socialization) or some combination. You have made a good case for the nurture aspect, as have I numerous times, and so have the many knowledgeable posters at this site.

However to completely dismiss the nature aspect is risky because that is something that we do not do for the West African genotype and I would not want to judge our people by a different measuring stick in this regard. It seems to me that the crux of the issue is how to explain the success of this particular group of white people and to that extent I think the discussion should include possible evolutionary pressures unique to them.

It is certainly a subject worthy of debate and I invite anyone to chime in on this subject as my knowledge of it is based purely upon a small amount of scientific knowledge and a large amount of observation. Thus anyone's further observations, or better yet more factual information, would greatly increase my understanding of the issue and probably do the same for others.

[Bart]

Joe Montana and Dan Marino are recognized as great quarterbacks. They are most often identified as being Italian of course, by virtue of their last names, but both also have a Polish parent. Everybody knows legendary coach Lombardi's heritage but few realize that Mike Ditka is Ukrainian or that current guru Bill Belichick is of Croatian heritage as is Lou Saban. Hank Stram was Polish. Slavs often tend to keep a lower profile than other Europeans.

[White Shogun]

I expect that the respective groups consider themselves quite different.

Even the Slavs think of themselves as different from other Slavs. Ukrainians and Belarussans are mortified if you confuse them with Russians, and vice versa. Its kind of ironic, because to everyone in the US, they're ALL Russians. It was much easier when they were all just Soviets. smileys/smiley17.gif

[White_Savage]

I've been looking at the pictures of Wlad, Fedor, CroCop, Lyakovich, Arlovski, even Nowitzski, and I have to say I can't detect any sign of the "more primitive" features, Especially in Wlad. Nor do I think your features have much to do with athletic ability. (Rich "Jim Carrey" Franklin springs to mind.) On Valuev, I must yield the point smileys/smiley4.gif

I understand what you're getting at...it's only a small sub-group from West Africa that's considered good at sports...but I don't think we need to creat a Slavic mystique, even though it's less heinous than a Negroid mystique. (Really, when you get down to it, "Black athletic" greatness isn't black at all, but the product of black/white hybridization...) I mean, look at the tides in Boxing...Irish, Italian, Black, now Slavic...yet Blacks were always in this country, Slavics have been coming in forever too, and yet, Anglo-Saxons and Irishmen held their own against them (Jeffries and Dempsey spring to mind.) Nor did the many White Americans of Slavic descent challenge blacks in the 60s thru 90s, unfortunately.

[White Shogun]

WS,
nor do these men seem to have those more primitive features:

Liddell, mohawk not withstanding, Couture, Griffen, Bonnar, who once said his face has 'punch appeal,' Leben, Trigg, Riggs, Telligman, Hatton, Calzaghe, Mesi, and so on.

I do think there is a certain phenotype that is indicative of athletic prowess, but the phenotype cuts across racial lines. The overlty masculine, sqaure-jawed, short neck type, of which I'd say Couture and Matt Hughes are perfect examples. But a number of the aforementioned fighters do not share all the characteristics of that phenotype, either.

As for Valuev, I'd like to see him and Wanderlei Silva in some kind of matchup. It would be like watching two creatures from the outer limits go at it. The rest of us humans could sit on the sidelines, betting and cheering. smileys/smiley36.gif

[Bart]

Bill Belichick is of Croatian heritage as is Lou Saban.





I inadvertently wrote the name Lou Saban, but had Nick Saban in mind. Just learned that Lou is Nick's father.

[JD074]

Are Leben and Trigg white?

[White Shogun]

Chris Leben and Frank Trigg?

http://www.showdown.ca/Images/ChrisLeben.jpg

http://www.franktrigg.com/images/stories/asterisk.png

How white does a white guy have to be in order to be considered white??

[White_Savage]

Trigg has light eyes...I think he tans alot, something I'm glad to say most European fighters don't seem to do as much. (Remember how Matsushenko could blind people with the light reflecting off him smileys/smiley4.gif ?)

Anyway, IMO, when Mr. _Bergensteinfeld, Or Mr. _ Garcia-Lopez-Rodrigez, or mr. Abdualla or even Mr. Takanoshi fight well and defeat blacks, it's a plus on our side, since the idea that Blacks=Superman takes a blow. Hell, all the talking heads with their "scientific" knowledge put Asians and everyone else BELOW Whites on their little heirarchies of "Most Athletic", yet they never thought to question why tough little Mexicans were doing so well against their mighty Negroes, even occasionally in the heavier divisions even though the Hispanics only produce a miniscule amount of men large enough to be true HWs. Strange, is it not?

[JD074]

Chris Leben and Frank Trigg?

http://www.showdown.ca/Images/ChrisLeben.jpg

http://www.franktrigg.com/images/stories/asterisk.png

How white does a white guy have to be in order to be considered white??

They don't look that white to me.

[White Shogun]

JD, I don't know what to tell you man. What does a white person look like? Do they all have to have blonde hair and blue eyes?

Let me break it down for you:

White:
http://img1.yoxio.com/img/158464.jpg

Black:
http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/sn2004102721083500004010m/sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/pict/200410/im00004010.jpg

White:
http://poorwilliam.net/pix/dempsey-j.jpg

Black:
http://faculty.washington.edu/qtaylor/images/ali_muhammad.jpg

In order, you have:
Frank Trigg
Quinton Jackson
Jack Dempsey
Muhammad Ali

[JD074]

JD, I don't know what to tell you man. What does a white person look like? Do they all have to have blonde hair and blue eyes?

It makes it a lot easier! America has become so mongrelized- and this is especially noticeable in sports- that it can be extremely difficult to tell. I know the constant second-guessing is annoying, but that's just the way it is. The wonders of multiculturalism....


Let me break it down for you:

No, I'll break it down for you! As you'll see, it's not really the "black/ white issue" that you make it out to be.

Here's a few pics, for your perusal.smileys/smiley2.gif

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1004/82746.jpg

Kris Humphries

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/3/9/1/8/7538193.jpg

How about Bronson Arroyo? He looks very white (more so than Trigg or Leben, in my opinion)

http://www.asianweek.com/2002_08_23/images/sports_damon3.jpg

Johnny Damon

http://media.scout.com/Media/Player/17682_callender.JPG

Brylee Callender- is he white?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/16/167770.jpg

Hmm, he looks pretty white here.

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/hafner-ud.jpg

Travis Hafner- some say he is and some say he isn't.

http://www.ahorre.com/deportes/archives/FotodeManuGinobiliSanAntonioSpurs.jpg

Our favorite Argentinian. I think he's Italian, but others may assume that he has some non-white ancestry. Who knows.

http://carolinapanthers.com/photos/perm/main/IGNJHIJODEDL/goings-nick_hs05.jpg

Nick Goings

http://www.nfl.com.mx/imagerepository/fujita_scott.jpg

Scott Fujita

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/buck/img/jun03/kidd603.jpg

Jason Kidd

http://www.bravo.co.uk/fightsite/images/uf_contenders/uf_contender2.jpg

Sam Hoger

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/sioncampus/09/04/faces0909/bloom.jpg

Jeremy Bloom- is a Jewish athlete "one of us?"

http://www.bgcmia.org/images/events/mikeLowell.jpg

Mike Lowell

http://www.asianweek.com/2001_03_23/images/jason_williams_apology.jpg

Jason Williams smileys/smiley36.gif just kidding

http://www.gncproperformance.com/images/secondary/news_trends/2001-08-29_gonzales.jpg

Luis GonzalezEdited by: JD074

[JD074]

Two more:

http://labpups.com/lab-puppies-pictures/goings.jpg

Nick Goings

http://www.oddsnark.com/images/katinataylor.jpg

Jason Taylor (and Zach Thomas's sister)

The point is pretty obvious....

[White Shogun]

My test for whether a person is white or black is what happens when that guy walks through South Central. Goings, Kidd, and Hoger are probably the only three of that group who would pass the 'cracker' test, based on appearance only. The rest of those guys would definitely be "white boys" to the blacks, even if your last name is "Fujita."

A person of "Hispanic" ancestry can be white, black, or mestizo, well, even Asian, as we've discussed on this forum before. I know plenty of Gonzalez' and Garcias who are fair skinned, or have green eyes, etc. Surnames do not determine race (see McNabb, Culpepper, et al).

Do you consider any of the men who's pics you posted to be 'white?' Or of those who's pics I posted? Not even the beloved Jack Dempsey? Do you consider Slavic people to be 'white?' I listed the two men in my post whom I think are white; what about you?

As for Bloom and Co. there are plenty of "Jews" of European stock everywhere. I personally know of Jews with red hair and green eyes, brown hair and blue eyes, and so on. What are they?

I think splitting hairs over who is 'white' is detrimental to bringing down the caste system and fighting for equal rights for whites in the business and social climate we find in today's America. How you see yourself is one thing, how others see you may be totally different.

And one more thing:

Nick Goings is one ugly mo-fo.

[Don Wassall]

Scott Fujita is white. He was adopted by an Asian family, but it's interesting that some might look at his picture and see a little "oriental" simply because of his name.


White people come in different shades and facial characteristics. Having brown hair or brown eyes or darker skin doesn't make one the least bit non-white imo. If whites are ever going to unite to defend their rights and heritage -- and their right to live -- it's going to have to be on a broad basis. I like and admire all the different kinds of people who make up the white race.

[JD074]

My test for whether a person is white or black is what happens when that guy walks through South Central. Goings, Kidd, and Hoger are probably the only three of that group who would pass the 'cracker' test, based on appearance only. The rest of those guys would definitely be "white boys" to the blacks, even if your last name is "Fujita."

So you think that blacks wouldn't differentiate between whites and mestizos? Ginobili and Lowell could definitely pass as "Latino," in the broad definition of the word.


A person of "Hispanic" ancestry can be white, black, or mestizo, well, even Asian, as we've discussed on this forum before. I know plenty of Gonzalez' and Garcias who are fair skinned, or have green eyes, etc. Surnames do not determine race (see McNabb, Culpepper, et al).

I know, but the issue is certainty. Are you certain that Lowell and Gonzalez are white? And what does the average sports fan think?


Do you consider any of the men who's pics you posted to be 'white?' Or of those who's pics I posted? Not even the beloved Jack Dempsey? Do you consider Slavic people to be 'white?' I listed the two men in my post whom I think are white; what about you?

I don't know how many of them are 100% white. That's the point. Obviously, Fujita's white; I didn't know he was adopted. Bloom's ancestry may be European, rather than Semitic, so he could be white. But Ginobili, Lowell, Gonzalez, Arroyo? Who knows. As for Slavs, if there's no Asian or other non-white ancestry, they're white.


As for Bloom and Co. there are plenty of "Jews" of European stock everywhere. I personally know of Jews with red hair and green eyes, brown hair and blue eyes, and so on. What are they?

Either European or Semitic.


I think splitting hairs over who is 'white' is detrimental to bringing down the caste system and fighting for equal rights for whites in the business and social climate we find in today's America. How you see yourself is one thing, how others see you may be totally different.

I think embracing a person who we think is white, only later to find out they're not white- and I don't just mean someone with a Spanish surname, but also someone with a black daddy, like Kris Humphries- is detrimental to bringing down the Caste System because it makes us look foolish, and underscores the preconception that an athlete benfits from having some non-white ancestry, even if it's a small amount. It also underscores how many white women apparently prefer non-white men, which is even more emasculating to white men than sports.



And one more thing:

Nick Goings is one ugly mo-fo.


Don't tell that to his white girl. Edited by: JD074

[JD074]

Scott Fujita is white.Â* He was adopted by an Asian family, but it's interesting that some might look at his picture and see a little "oriental" simply because of his name.

And his eyes. I've seen plenty of Asian/ White biracial people who basically look white except for their eyes. But you're right, if his last name wasn't Fujita I probably never would've noticed them.




Having brown hair or brown eyes or darker skin doesn't make one the least bit non-white imo.Â*

Unless one is actually non-white.

Sorry, guys. The one drop rule still applies, even in 2006.

[White_Savage]

The one drop rule cannot be literally applied because it would be difficult to find a person of ANY race ANY where who literally does not have any genes from another race. However, it would be ridiculous to call you non-White JD, if you happen to have a Mongol horsemen in the line 30 or 40 generations back, or because my Grandfather was an eigth Indian or so. To consider most "Whites" to be genetically just that nessecarily involves a reasonable approximation.

We must also consider the point of this site, whose main purpose as I see it is to stand against the prevailing tide of Negroid supremacism, an ideology used to defame Whites, but which, intentionally or not, works against Asians and Latins on some level. Therefore, certain non-Whites and half-breeds must be considered excellent evidence points, since no one seriously believes that Whites comes in behind Asians, Amerinds,Semites, etc, as athletes. Therefore, excellent perfomances by individuals of these groups tends to undermine the caste system.

Two big and interesting data points are Latin performance in boxing-why should White+Amerind genes do so well when neither race is considered great boxers, hence it must be cultural factors, and American blacks themselves, nearly all of whom have large White admixture, yet are superior athletes in comparison to their more purely negroid African cousins.

[White Shogun]

One drop rule??

Look, I'll give you a pass on half-breeds, but there is no way I will not consider a person white who looks white, acts white, and faces the same discriminatory practices I do as a white, just because his great-great grandmother was a Cherokee Indian. No way.

What you are advocating will only make it harder for white people to reunite as a PEOPLE. Its bad enough that we have to scorer higher on entrance exams and SAT tests than blacks; discrimination among our own people about who is white is worse. Frankly, I am appalled that a white person who wants to end discrimination against whites and bring down the caste system would even consider such a notion.

I agree 100% with White Savage: any one who wins against a black man helps break down the stereotype.

[jaxvid]

I am not so enthusized about the success of non-white blacks. In my experience it just reinforces the belief that whites are even less of athletes.

I remember watching the Olympics with some clueless friends when Wariner won the 400. They refused to belived that he was white, they insisted he must be hispanic because whites never win that race. Never mind that hispanics never win any race, it is just so ingrained in their minds that whites are not good at anything. This thinking is typical.

Look at the success of Somoan football players. Does that do anything to break down the caste for whites? Hell no. It just makes whites look even worse by comparison.

Even Manu Ginobilli is a mixed bag for us. We know he is white but everyone else thinks he is hispanic, because we all know whites stink at basketball.

As soon as Asians have a little success in the Olympics we will be put even lower on the totem pole. Non-white success is never good for us.

[Bart]

As soon as Asians have a little success in the Olympics we will be put even lower on the totem pole.





I agree. Look at the attention Yao Ming, Tiger Woods, Nancy Lopez, Ichiro and Michelle Wiehavereceived in comparison to whites. Asians will also be proclaimed as being superior to whites.

[KG2422]

There are genetic tests available now that can determine just how White you are. If you are mostly White you can take another test to find out what regions of Europe you have genetic markers for. The world regional test has been used by the FBI, most famously, to determine that a serial killer around New Orleans was Black despite "witnesses" claiming that the killer was a White man. As far as I can tell, it has a margin for error of at least a few percentage points. In my opinion you are White if you are phenotypically (appear) White. Hypothetically, if there were some sort of revolution/civil war and a White nationalist government were established I think it would be very foolish to exclude those of mostly White ancestry. Benign eugenic srategies or incentives could be established to solve any concerns we might have about the fitness of our population. Most of us have a friend or someone we know who is an eighth or a sixteenth American Indian. We would alienate a large number of people if we were strictly nordicist. That being said, I do tend to cheer less for the athletes who appear to have visually detectable admixture. Also, I know that the whole "race war" scenario sounds far fetched to many ,but if we can cram enough Mexicans in here fast enough they just might start one.Edited by: KG2422

[sunshine]

Someone please clear up Grady Sizemore of the Indians once and for all. As for Ginobli he is WHITE. Case is closed on that one.

[White_Savage]

Hmmmm...people will be thinking ASIANS and INDIANS are athletically superior to Whites? How odd. According to all the "science" of people like Entine, they are athletically inferior, and they are smaller on average and do less well in sports than Whites, even given the Caste system that works against Whites. The only LOGICAL thing Mestizo or Asian success in sports tells you is how much cultural factors and effort play a part.

[White Shogun]

Jax and Bart make some good points. It seems that the caste system is supported by two main ideas:

1) Black men are superior athletes

and the corollary idea that:

2) White men are inferior athletes

The success of a Hispanic or Asian athlete diffuses the first idea, but not the second. In fact, it may enhance the idea that whites are inferior athletes in general.

The success of Samoan athletes in the NFL, for example, may infer that Samoans are better than whites, but are still not as good as blacks.

Nor does the success of the non-white athlete matter to the supporters of the caste system. They see it as we do, a white v. black issue. As long as they're not white, it doesn't matter. The goal of the caste system is to defeat and discourage the white man, not the Chinese and Mexicans.

Interesting conundrum. I still root for non-whites against blacks, mainly because I believe neither of the ideas behind the caste syste to be true. A black loss is a win against the idea that blacks are superior athletes. However, I concede the point that this does not necessarily reflect that whites are better athletes, too. That will have to be proven on the courts, on the fields, and in the ring by white men.

I prefer it that way.

[JD074]

The one drop rule cannot be literally applied because it would be difficult to find a person of ANY race ANY where who literally does not have any genes from another race.

It's not literal, or at least, I didn't mean it that way. I don't want to be like European whites, who seem to hate other European nationalities (French, British, Irish, etc.) more than the invading Muslims and Africans. I'm referring to those who clearly have non-white ancestry (like Johnny Damon or Kris Humphries,) or someone who the vast majority of sports fans will perceive to be non-white. That's the issue here, not the white person with the "Mongol horsemen" ancestor, with the rest of his ancestry being European.


However, it would be ridiculous to call you non-White JD, if you happen to have a Mongol horsemen in the line 30 or 40 generations back, or because my Grandfather was an eigth Indian or so.

It would be ridiculous to call me non-white because I have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. (And, I must admit, red cheeks. smileys/smiley17.gif) Nobody, and I mean nobody, would consider me to be anything other than white.


To consider most "Whites" to be genetically just that nessecarily involves a reasonable approximation.

Reasonable approximation, that's exactly what I mean. If the "one drop rule" comment is a diversion from that basic premise, then I apologize for the confusion. Again, I didn't mean it literally.


We must also consider the point of this site, whose main purpose as I see it is to stand against the prevailing tide of Negroid supremacism, an ideology used to defame Whites, but which, intentionally or not, works against Asians and Latins on some level.

Please. "Latins" are having no trouble getting whatever opportunities they want here in America.


Therefore, certain non-Whites and half-breeds must be considered excellent evidence points, since no one seriously believes that Whites comes in behind Asians, Amerinds,Semites, etc, as athletes. Therefore, excellent perfomances by individuals of these groups tends to undermine the caste system.

I disagree. Any success by someone who's partially white and partially something else merely reinforces the idea that athletes benefit from non-white ancestry. In other words, it's not about the white mommies, it's about the black and brown daddies.


Two big and interesting data points are Latin performance in boxing-why should White+Amerind genes do so well when neither race is considered great boxers, hence it must be cultural factors, and American blacks themselves, nearly all of whom have large White admixture, yet are superior athletes in comparison to their more purely negroid African cousins.

"[N]either race is considered great boxers," who are you talking about, Entine? Who cares. We're talking about sports here, not academia. People think brown-skinned boxers are great, regardless of what Ivory Tower eggheads think about their genetics.

[White Shogun]

Reasonable approximation, that's exactly what I mean. If the "one drop rule" comment is a diversion from that basic premise, then I apologize for the confusion. Again, I didn't mean it literally.

See? I knew we were in agreement all along.smileys/smiley2.gif

[JD074]

One drop rule??

Relax. That's just three words, I wrote a lot more than that. Don't be like the open borders advocates and cry about how "we can't deport twelve million people!" when that's not the real issue. You're smart enough to understand the basic premise of this argument.

I won't respond to the rest of your post because it's simply beside the point.

[White Shogun]

JD,
Since you didn't bother to read it, I wrote an entire other post that conceded some of the points that you, Jax, and Bart made in this thread. In addition, I also told you that I agree with your thoughts regarding half-breeds that their success on the field isn't necessarily a boon for white athletes. I took umbrage at the use of the phrase "one drop rule" which you later stated was an oversimplification as well, when you replied to White Savage.

Further more, I said in the post just prior to this one that I knew we were in agreement all along, and I did not intend that post to be read 'tongue in cheek.'

The rest of your argument was stated in posts written after you wrote the phrase, "Sorry guys, the one drop rule still applies, even in 2006." Since that time you and I both have adjusted our statements on this matter, and from what I gather, see it pretty much the same.

So I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't disparage what I've written by saying its 'beside the point.' It is on point, much as everything you wrote in this thread is, too. I am also PM'ing you with this message just in case you decide not to read this one, either. smileys/smiley1.gif

[JD074]

Hey Shogun. I got a little frustrated.smileys/smiley7.gif smileys/smiley15.gif smileys/smiley34.gif


JD,
Since you didn't bother to read it, I wrote an entire other post that conceded some of the points that you, Jax, and Bart made in this thread.

You mean the post that started with, "Jax and Bart make some good points." I read it. smileys/smiley2.gif


Further more, I said in the post just prior to this one that I knew we were in agreement all along, and I did not intend that post to be read 'tongue in cheek.'

I was still writing my post when you posted that. Oops!


The rest of your argument was stated in posts written after you wrote the phrase, "Sorry guys, the one drop rule still applies, even in 2006." Since that time you and I both have adjusted our statements on this matter, and from what I gather, see it pretty much the same.

Okay. But in the previous post I wrote about how we look foolish when we mistakenly embrace non-white athletes, that it reinforces the idea that whites benefit from non-white genes, etc. Basically you responded to the one drop comment and not to that post.


So I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't disparage what I've written by saying its 'beside the point.'

My apologies. I just think it's common for people to focus on one comment, and ignore the rest of an argument. Of course I have 20/20 hindsight- as we all do- and I should've simply left out a "throwaway" smartass comment that took the thread in the wrong direction. Oh well.

[White Shogun]

Hey JD
I didn't notice until now that you responded - almost six days later, lol. I usually just come in and hit the Active Topics button and read from there. I'm sorry I missed your reply, and appreciate you taking the time to respond.

I've been feeling my oats lately, too, and have probably been a bit too critical of late. I think we're all on edge around here, with whats been in the news lately (Duke, immigration, etc.)

[Maple Leaf]

I am going to try and make this as succinct and concise as possible. Race and ethnic origin alone will not make anyone a good athlete. Obviously a particular sport demands particular requirements: basketball height, marathon running the contrary, etc. Africans born and raised in the United States are no more "natural" basketball players than Japanese are "natural" sumo-wrestlers. I think the only fair and true observation we can make is that particular body types favour particular activities. Most races have both a stereotypical body type and exceptions, variations of their respective stereotypes.
Sport is an activity, it is a learned and aquired skill. No human being is born with any particular skill.

[jcolec02]

I LUV asian atheletes because they are like us....they never showboat and just get the job done....besides all that i think that they are our brothers and are the only minority who can even compare with us as far as intelligence. That being said i am white and think of my race first and foremost but that doesnt mean that asians arent good people....you NEVER hear of them committing violent crimes (at least not as much as blacks or hispanics) and they are generally nice people...thanks