Sumo Watch

Thats a cool fact about Runyan Philly Birds. Staley is one hell of an athlete with his size didn't he run a 4.9 40? Thats really movin! Another guy is Browns tackle Joe Thomas another lean 6'7 320 pound guy who also ran a 5.00 flat 40 i think, not to mention his great pro agility time!

Gotta give Dr. Z of SI some credit.  His midseason All Pro team is all white on the o-line, which takes a bit of courage in this age of relentless Caste enforcement by the media.  Instead of selecting the same old over-rated over-the-hill sumos, Dr. Z's team has Jordan Gross (Panthers), Michael Roos (Titans), and Marc Colombo (Cowboys) at tackle; Pete Kendall (Redskins) and Chris Snee (Giants) at guard; and Ryan Kalil (Panthers) and Nick Mangold (Jets) at center. 

Edited by Don Wassall

Oops, that was my late night mistake on Colombo.  Edited and corrected.

The Ultimate Bust: How NFL Drafting has somewhat Changed post-Mike Williams

Michael D. Williams (born January 11, 1980 in Dallas, Texas) is a former American football offensive tackle in the National Football League. He was drafted by the Buffalo Bills out of the University of Texas with the fourth overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft. Weighing 360 lbs, Williams seemed destined to be the anchor of the AFC's heaviest offense. But, in hindsight, many observers now consider the Tom Donahoe's decision to draft Williams to be one of his biggest mistakes as Bills GM. While he provided fair run blocking on the right side, Williams failed to show a flair for pass blocking and remained an unpolished player. Due to continued woes on the Bills' offensive line, Williams was moved by the coaching staff to left guard in order to assess his talents on the inside of the line. This tryout, though, was cut short by Williams' semi-frequent injuries. After the 2005 season, Williams was cut. He signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars on March 14, 2006 but was placed on injured reserve on August 29, ending his season. EDIT: From Wikipedia. Deleted link because it wouldn't work.

I watched the 2002 Draft, but can anyone answer this question. I'm pretty sure that the talking-heads were together in saying - "this was a good pic!" I think they were pushing the "big = good" Caste line.

Onto the question... We know Kiper's an idiot and I believe Mike Williams was very high on his board. Does anyone know exactly where Mike Williams' was on Kiper's "best available" list that they show during the Draft? Top 10 would be my guess.

I wasn't really thinking about "race and sports" back then or I would have taken notes. I also wasn't "in awe" of the superhumans flashing before my eyes. Even if one is not totally awake, it's still possible to see the charade and artificialness.
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The NFL will still draft 350+ pounders, but there is a tendency to pick them lower these days.

If guys like Andre Smith (Alabama), Phil Loadholt and Duke Robinson (both Oklahoma) are drafted particularly high, they'll be good potential bust candidates.

Michael Oher may have slimmed down, but if he goes to St. Louis or Oakland or Seattle or Cincinnati, that team might not really be better. Eugene Monroe (Virginia) is not a "game-changing" OT, but still might be a 1st or early 2nd pick.


There should be a number of Joe Thomas/Jake Long-prototypes in the next few draft classes -- Lee Ziemba (might be a natural RT), Carimi, Bulaga, Hix, Kyle Jolly, etc.

I think some college programs have finally realized the importance of providing protection for the QB, which is why I'm seeing some lower-rated Whites starting over the higher-rated "stud athletes" (according to Rivals). That development makes me feel good. Why bring in these slugs in the first place? If the starters happen to get injured, these slugs will get EXPOSED. I'm sure the "team fans" would love that...

If teams want first-rate QB's, they need to provide a first-rate line! Make's sense right?







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Look at this picture. Really something isn't it? Part of an ESPN article on "NFL Big Men." Warning: "room brightening smile" will appear if you click the following link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=hotread11/bigm en

The sumo fetish continues unabated, as all of the o-linemen on AP's 2008 All-American team are black --  tackles Andre Smith of Alabama and Michael Oher of Mississippi; guards Duke Robinson of Oklahoma and Herman Johnson of LSU; and center Antoine Caldwell of Alabama. 

Originally posted by Bart Originally posted by Don Wassall The sumo fetish continues unabated, as all of the o-linemen on AP's 2008 All-American team are black --  tackles Andre Smith of Alabama and Michael Oher of Mississippi; guards Duke Robinson of Oklahoma and Herman Johnson of LSU; and center Antoine Caldwell of Alabama.  You gotta be kidding me!

Just 5 more players that will get drafted 1st round, have a few good years, then suck and contribute to a perennial bad offensive line year after year while their white teammates take all the blame. I can't wait

It will be interesting to see when the first jock sniffer slips up and mentions the blubbery appearance of one of the countless sumos now playing in the NFL. From preschoolers to allegedly mature middle-aged citizens, our society has long held a strong penchant for the derisive "fat" term. This penchant is particularly strong today (just listen to any talk radio show).

That being said, these same obnoxious folks also have developed a powerful aversion to offending black people. So, because almost all the sumos in the NFL are black, it is likely to be one of the handful of white sumos who becomes the target of some jock-sniffer's nasty comments.

It would seem to be inevitable; all public figures have their physical appearance scrutinized down to the smallest detail, by those who are paid to babble about such things. Considering how far from "athletic" these sumos appear, I suspect some jock-sniffer will inadvertently mention the lack of clothes on this jiggling, flabby emperor someday.

It really is incredible that any of them can keep a straight face when they call these giant tubs of lards "athletes." I honestly believe that most middle- aged executives are in better shape.

6 of the top 9 Scout.com QBs were black as of the last time I checked even though QB for the most part is still a white dominated position.

But Rivals bothers me far more: Since we are talking o-line I will tell you that 4 of Rivals.com's top 5 offensive tackles are black and 4 of the top 5 guards are black or mixed race. Rivals is even pushing to make Center a black position. 3 of the top 5 Rivals Centers appear to be black, mixed race or non-white this year.

The accomplishments of white o-lines in the NFL of late doesn't matter. (Dr. Z's all white NFL all-pro offensive line team means nothing to BlackpowerRivals.com; the extinction of white scholarships means everything!)

These sites will continue to push for an even blacker NFL and for the extinction of white scholarships in football.





Edited by ToughJ.Riggins

Just have a look at Scout.com's highest rated OT's and OG's they have for the draft.   
OT's
     Michael Oher     SR       6-5/318 lbs.
        Andre Smith     JR     ; 6-4/348 lbs.
         Eugene Monroe     SR   &nbs p; 6-6/315 lbs.
     Jason Smith     SR     ; 6-5/270 lbs.
     Eben Britton     JR   &nb sp; 6-6/310 lbs. (white)
     Phil Loadholt     SR   &n bsp; 6-8/350 lbs.
OG's
     Duke Robinson     SR   &n bsp; 6-5/330 lbs.
     Herman Johnson     SR   &nb sp; 6-7/386 lbs.
     Trevor Canfield     SR   &n bsp; 6-5/305 lbs. (white)
     Andy Levitre     SR   &nb sp; 6-3/326 lbs. (white)
     Kraig Urbik     SR     ; 6-6/328 lbs. (white)

As you can see, the black sumos for outnumber the 4 white linemen on this list. The white linemen that are heavy however look to have almost no fat on them. It is shocking, but not surprising, that Michael Oher and Andre Smith could possibly go in the top 5.   

Edited by Jack Lambert