Joe Martinek

Thanks for the link NJfan feel free to add in man!! Funny how Vai Taua is getting noticed out there in Nevada but Lippincott has all but dissapeared. He has John Clay as his number 3 back, I agree Clay is good, but he still has a LOT of room to grow. First of all he fumbles a lot,his fumble against Northwestern proved to seal the deal for the Cats to go on and win that game. Funny thing is ESPN doesn't seem to remember any of John's fumbles they have zero listed in the 2009 season. http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236715

Edited by celticdb15 - 13 April 2010 at 6:04pm

Classic line "Rutgers will trot out that football rarity, a white tailback"   link

I notice that two posters at the ESPN article have subtley brought up the main issue regarding Martinek's recruiting, but no one else is biting!  I guess that it's far too complicated for all of those DWF's out there.

Article on ESPN.com mentions his lack of D1 offers and Track ambitions.

ESPN.com

In the modern NFL yes. If you look up star tailbacks from the 60's to 20's most of the star White backs were small boned(relatively) tailbacks who didn't break 200 pounds. Ie the King and the Galloping Ghost.

Originally posted by Don Wassall I did hear Craig James saying that Jordan Shipley deserves serious consideration for the Heisman.  In fact, I hit the jackpot tonight -- I only turned on the Rutgers game briefly twice, once when they were hyping Shipley, and the other time right when Joe made his 37 yard TD run.

Don, I thought I might have heard Shipley's name as I was walking into the room, but thought "Naaaahhh." lol That's great. Looks like there might be a white RB and white WR for the Heisman ceremonies.           

Congrats to Joe for having another big game! I hope he has the opportunity to break 1,000 yards on the season. 

That's true Don, I guess we should stay optimistic. With all the compliments Martinek got- and the talk of Shipley as a legit Heisman candidate- the compliments for skill players of different races was more evenly divided tonight.

USF played bad enough tonight, that their coal black offense didn't get many compliments (although they kept referring to how good B.J Daniels was prior to tonight), but I heard the announcers bring up how talented black true freshman Dion Lewis of Pitt and Rutgers' backup De'Antwan Williams are at tailback. Throw in a half white, half Polynesian like Ryan Matthews and white Toby Gerhart in their Heisman talk and you'd have true "diversity" talk from the booth guys.

Originally posted by Fightingtowin After an amazing run by Martinek (in which he should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage, but spun with his back nearly hitting the ground and popping up and running for a first), Craig James, Chris Fowler and the Bachelor decided to talk about the Heisman race for about 5 minutes. 4 of those were devoted convincing the public that Mark Ingram should get the Heisman and they also named of 5-6 other candidates. NO MENTION OF TOBY, even coming off his 220+ running performance. I think having two excellent white running backs in their minds at the same time is too much for them. Or they think it's too much for the American public.

The play by play announcer also called Joe a fullback!
When Savage couldn't throw the ball to him on the right sideline, b/c he was well covered, the talking head said:
"Savage tried to get the ball to Joe Martinek, the fullback, but he was well covered".

Craig James seems like he is pretty fair to white RBs as an announcer. He gave serious credit to Sam McGuffie when he ran all over Notre Dame last year in the game he announced. He said about Sam,
"He's like a bunny rabbit with the way he cuts and bounces around on the field".
I doubt he'd refer to a black tailback as a "bunny rabbit", but I still took it as a compliment about Sam's rare agility. James later said, "you can't do much better than McGuffie did today" and he gave serious accolades to Sam's high school career.

P.S: Fightingtowin, I agree with your assessment that, tonight, James chickened out about the opportunity to give serious props to two white RBs (one as a Heisman candidate) compared to only one black- at a "black" position in one short talking point. Two white RBs and one black in a 75% white country...my how racist!...lol. James should know better, as he was the last white man that was allowed to be a featured runner in the NFL.

Edited by ToughJ.Riggins - 13 November 2009 at 12:28am

After an amazing run by Martinek (in which he should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage, but spun with his back nearly hitting the ground and popping up and running for a first), Craig James, Chris Fowler and the Bachelor decided to talk about the Heisman race for about 5 minutes. 4 of those were devoted convincing the public that Mark Ingram should get the Heisman and they also named of 5-6 other candidates. NO MENTION OF TOBY, even coming off his 220+ running performance. I think having two excellent white running backs in their minds at the same time is too much for them. Or they think it's too much for the American public.       

I agree WP. He's got all the tools you look for in an elite tailback. I've said all year I think he is our #2 guy behind Toby. While it's certainly a distant #2 I think we'll see him make some big leaps up draft boards next year, barring any freak disappearance that we've witnessed so many times before from white tailbacks.

Originally posted by ToughJ.Riggins NJfan, very strange that Jourdan Brooks was ranked 30th just a couple weeks ago- when he has proven far less than Martinek. Kordell Young was ranked somewhere in the 30s (although it was for 2011) as well (which was unwarranted) until a couple weeks ago. Then suddenly those guys are dropped down (Brooks is still on the cusp of the top 50) and Martinek appears at #43, which is lower than the aforementioned guys who proved much less were ranked. Yet more evidence of the CS is that true freshman Arby Fields of NW is ranked 30th (he was benched recently for porous play) and Wegher who's had an inconsistent- up and down season, but played great the last two weeks has been dropped to #34. Wegher had a 70 yard TD nullified last week by a complete BS call. He would have had a 6.7 YPC/ 133 yard performance- that would have helped send the game to overtime instead of a 3.3 YPC/ 63 yard performance. Wegher would be at 4.3 YPC on the season, instead of 3.8, with that run as well- which would be solid for a true freshman RB in the Big 10. Arby Fields? Give me a break! He's not even the 2nd best freshman RB on NW. Mike Trumpy and Alex Daniel are better!

Brooks is slower than Martinek and also played linebacker in high school.  His ranking is because of his skin color.

Out of no where, Joe jumps to #43 for class of 2012.

www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_RB?&print_rows=9999

Originally posted by NJfan Originally posted by whiteathlete33 The only way we are going to get more white rb, cb, and wr in the league is to have more major colleges recruit them and start them. We only have several starting rb's in major colleges. We can't expect a few guys like Gerhart, Sharp, and Martinek to make an impact in the NFL. Once we have 20 starting white runningbacks in college then we will see a change.     I'm not sure a guy like Martinek gets his NFL shot. I think Rutgers would have to improve immensely for that to happen. Although, he is relatively young, he could still make a name for himself on the national scene.

I'm not sure any white RB will get a fair NFL shot, no matter how much time they have to make national waves. I hope they do, but I have no faith in the rabidly discriminatory league.

No kidding Colonel, Schiano was very fast to take the starting job away from Martinek based on one game where Brooks outplayed Martinek with his brilliant performance against Howard. But after two unbelievable games by Martinek he still needs to
"string a few more of those together, (so he) can lock it down."

Mind you, Martinek outperformed Brooks last season, this off-season and has outperformed Brooks in 2 games to 1 this season with one virtual tie. That's basically the story of a white RB, you can never have a bad day. It takes one great game by a black RB to pass whitey on the depth chart and it'll take the white RB five times longer (5 games or more) to lock up the starting job and previous seasons mean nothing (ie. Tre Smith at Auburn or Peyton Hillis in the NFL etc.)