Wariner ran a 44.84 into the wind at Modesto yesterday. The guy is just plain awesome.
Below I posted some results from a meet in Osaka Japan. It was Gatlin's first meet and he's already under 10. His goal this year is to break the world record. The Australian, Batman got second in the 200. Takahira of Japan won in 20.48. Lu Xiang easily beat a soft field in the hurdles. He's just coming back from an injury.
200-1, Shinji Takahira, Japan, 20.48. 2, Daniel Batman, Australia, 20.56. 3, Yusuke Omae, Japan, 20.57. 4, Marcin Urbas, Poland, 20.63. 5, Seth Amoo, Ghana 20.71. 6, Brian Dzingai, Zimbabwe, 20.80.
400-1, Gary Kikaya, Congo, 45.06. 2, Yuzo Kanemaru, Japan, 45.41. 3, Leonard Byrd, United States, 46.22. 4, James Davis, United States, 46.43. 5, Dai Tamesue, Japan, 46.49. 6, Lancford Davis, United States, 46.60.
5,000-1, Martin Irungu Mathathi, Kenya, 13:05.55. 2, James Mwangi Murigi, Kenya, 13:12.26. 3, Josephat Muchiri Ndambiri, Kenya, 13:13.27. 4, John Kariuki, Kenya, 13:14.49. 5, Daniel Muchunu Mwangi, Kenya, 13:51.86. 6, Kazuyoshi Tokumoto, Japan, 14:01.77.
this isn't track-related, but it does touch on free_safety's notion that white people haven't succumbed to the media's negrophile propaganda.
i went to an Air Force base on Saturday afternoon to play basketball with some friends from church. we were, of course, all white. we walked into the gym, and it was like the lights had been turned on (if you catch my drift).
anyway, pretty soon the games became white versus black. my buddies and i ruled the court for better than two hours, as team after team of blacks tried to beat us. they kept rotating players in and trying to stack teams to up their talent level and increase their chance of winning, but to no avail. the looks on their faces were priceless as the white men kept holding them down.
to get to the point of the story...afterwards when we were hanging out with various friends over the next couple of days, when someone was told that we played against a bunch of blacks in hoops, the other party would unanimously assume we got our butts kicked and were shocked that in fact we had done the butt whooping.
does that small illustration show you how powerfully effective and far-ranging the indoctrination has become? perception is reality, and white people in this country have been shown/told for decades that they are always athletically inferior to blacks.
Plunk in a tape of the 2004 Olympics and see the US lose to all white Argentine team, or a tape of the Worlds in Indy and watch the US lose to of all countries Puerto Rico......... Then ask these morons if they still believe in all of this garbage.......
Guys:
Research has already answered this question for us.
A study by blackathlete.net showed that Black children get into formal sports at a rate 7 times that of White children. This effectively cancels the numerical advantage of Whites. When you consider that Blacks are also more likely to concentrate their numbers in a few sports-football, basketball, and track, rather than spreading out in alot of sports like Whites, the implications are pretty obvious.
Actually, it was conducted by Northwestern Unversity and discussed on blackathlete.com, which gives the study, in my opinion, alot more validity.
Kostas Kentris was white too, right?
There are tons of blacks from the burroughs that have NEVER PLAYED BASKETBALL, but have been surrounded by it.
MTV is the enemy. Destroy MTV, destroy the problem.
The joys of dealing with trolls, one doesn't know where to start. Kenyans
have been caught using drugs. Chepchumba was ko'd for EPO, sort of a
sacrifice from Rosa's crew - from his son's crew, excuse me. Daniel
Komen was popped for "excess caffeine", sure. Didn't run to well after
that, no wonder most people think it was more than Starbucks on tap. Of
course, the excuses regarding 'special metabolisms' that make it 'look
like' the athlete was doping come up. Lagat was popped for EPO, but he
ended up with the 'false positive' AND his manager being told by the IAAF
to stop claiming his athlete was fingered unjustly. For all the talk, the
official IAAF reason Lagat was released was for a 'technicality'. Then
there's Ngugi refusing drug tests and getting blasted, Kitur caught on
roids (he was fast 400 meter man). I could go on, but you see the picture.
However, the Africans seem to get off on 'technicalities' or 'extraordinary
circumstances'. Look at the S. African runner Sepeng, he's getting the
extraoridinay circumstances treatment. Thys, the white S. African popped
for the same thing (nandralone) has not had officials rushing to aid
instantly as they did for Sepeng. Why is that? Oh no, it's just paranoia.
BTW, no one has said all the Kenyans are dirty, and only a fool would
think they are all clean. Most insiders feel that Rosa and Hermens etc. are
working with the best 'responders' to some drugs - which means they
might not be the most naturally talented E. Africans. Couple the large
participation of E. Africans with the almost nil interest in Europe and even
worse in the US, you will see a disparity. However, to think that Rosa,
conveniently leaving cycling during the middle of a drug investigation to
coach Kenyan runners doesn't at least warrant a second look is naive or
shows willful igorance. Hermens reputation as an athlete speaks for
itself. Kostre, well, there's one of those E. Bloc fellas somehow ending up
in Ethiopia.
If there were equal interest in distance running in Europe, or even the
interest in the sport there was from the 1960's to the early 80's, probably
half your top runners would be from Europe, which would still mean E.
Africans having a huge share from smaller populations. Removing drugs
from the equation would probably result in some slower records, or at
least the elimination of some questionable performances - such as Geb,
who struggled to break 13 in the 5k a few years later running sub 13 to
wrap up a very quick 10k. Yes, it's all mental or due to generations of
ancestors living at high altitude.
How could anyone really indulge in conspiracy? Too many people would
find out. How was Carl Lewis' drug use buried for over 20 years? Drug
use he doesn't try to deny anymore. No, no officials conspired to keep
that secret. Nope. Too many people involved, yesiree. Selective
enforcement and attention goes on in other sports. Remember the folks
in DC making a show about steroid use in MLB. Conveniently, no black
Americans called in - although Bonds and Sheffield figured prominently.
The NFL? A bastion of fairness, real world results and numbers
notwithstanding. Nothing like dealing with trolls. They say whatever they
want or repeat PC dogma without anything to back themselves up. The
TIm Wise school of debate, lie and run. It's the marxist way!
Are white kids so easily led? Look around. Maybe look at yourself. Then
again, maybe you're one of the leaders.
The current rise of whites in some sports, and the appearance of whites
in events for years deemed 'black only' is probably the result of some
kind of subconscious rebellion, wherein some kids just don't care
anymore, and partly the result of the inevitable swing of the pendulum
when artificial situations are in place. The increased attacks on whites,
subtle and not so subtle signify an awareness on the part of the enemies
of whites, although their arrogance will never let them admit such.
this isn't track-related, but it does touch on free_safety's notion that white people haven't succumbed to the media's negrophile propaganda.
i went to an Air Force base on Saturday afternoon to play basketball with some friends from church. we were, of course, all white. we walked into the gym, and it was like the lights had been turned on (if you catch my drift).
anyway, pretty soon the games became white versus black. my buddies and i ruled the court for better than two hours, as team after team of blacks tried to beat us. they kept rotating players in and trying to stack teams to up their talent level and increase their chance of winning, but to no avail. the looks on their faces were priceless as the white men kept holding them down.
to get to the point of the story...afterwards when we were hanging out with various friends over the next couple of days, when someone was told that we played against a bunch of blacks in hoops, the other party would unanimously assume we got our butts kicked and were shocked that in fact we had done the butt whooping.
does that small illustration show you how powerfully effective and far-ranging the indoctrination has become? perception is reality, and white people in this country have been shown/told for decades that they are always athletically inferior to blacks.
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"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." - Eleanor Roosevelt
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument." - William G. McAdoo
Man it gets tedious but I will respond. Citing Rono's world record tear in '78 is just a stupid way to buttress the argument that the Kenyans were so hurt by missing the '76 and '80 Olympics. Saying that East African running blossomed in the late '80s because of increased commercialization ignores the great success that African runners had been having for decades. Bikila winning the marathon in '60 and '64 for example. Wolde, Keino, Jipcho... Then too, there are the hordes of Africans that had been running at American colleges for decades.
I'll be as dismissive of free_safety's naive(cynical?) acceptance of the purity and integrity of international track and field's drug-testing as he is of the "conspiracy theories" of doping and cover-ups. The recent revelations about all the hushed-up drug violations by U.S. track should make anyone suspicious about the honesty of the process. Poor Marion Jones has endured such calumny, her career is ruined and she has never failed a drug test while loudly and proudly proclaiming her innocence; so where are the libel suits? Come on Marion, your character has been impugned! Yeah, right.
You guys said it as good or better than I could.Free Saftey is an idiot who is just trying to stir the pot.He knows very little about track.Entines Book "Taboo"is being made out to be the lie that it is.He guaranteed that africans would win every medal from the 100 to the distance events.What happened?Why has the fastest woman in the world been a white woman 2 of the last 3 major championships.Do you not think that it is possible for white men to be competetive again?If so,explain how we were in the past before the c.rights movement.Everything changed and most of the opportunities dried up.There is an uprising and Wariner is only the beginning.What are you going to do when we start winning more than you?
The style of dress amazes me. it was a fairly cool day but the girls wore as little as possible. (end of rant)
Jaxvid, your observations are sad but true. While waiting for new tires to be placed on my car, I decided to lunch at the mall within walking distance. The so-called white area was filled with blacks, Mestizo's and wiggers. One girl who could not have been more than 12 had her belly and waist completely exposed and had a tattoo just above her gluteus maximus. Her jeans were worn very low at the waist to reveal the artwork. The blacks openly lust after and hit on the silly white girls. And we wonder why so many of them are pushing around negro babies? I am amazed at the stupidity of suburban soccer-moms who allow their daughters to dress like hookers. After decades of brainwashing what can be expected?
I recently drove up state to visit relatives in a small town . It was nice to see so many white people in the stores, restaurants and gas stations on my destination. I was in for a shock when I arrived. The damn town has become a Hmong haven. Once they get on welfare, they never get off and breed like rabbits. Thanks to the churches who sponsor them and always seem to have plenty of money to import more of them along with Africans, we will soon have no place left as a refuge.
Saturday I went to a local "fair" that had amusement rides and games and junk food. Virtually all of the white kids there were trying to be either black or goth. Nothing but sideways caps, baggy down to the ass pants, piercings, tatoo's, and whigger speech, mannerism's, and behavior. It was sad. Alot of white girls with black guys and a whole lot of mixed race babies.
The style of dress amazes me. it was a fairly cool day but the girls wore as little as possible. One might think that is good but most of the girls were very fat and made no attemot to hide it. Huge rolls of flab peeking out from too short shirts, piles of lard wrapped up in extrememly tight shirts and stretch pants. Hot pants on cellulite and vein covered legs. It was disgusting!
All the music at the rides was rap. Really filthy stuff blaring out of loud speakers using the words sh*t and f**k. All the kids were bopping to the beat and seemed to know the words even young 12 year old white girls could sing along with the filthy rappers.
There were a few parents, if you can call them that, there with their kids. The parents were the obvious reasons for the kids dysfunction. Fat and ill dressed themselves in age inappropriate clothing, always smoking and looking probably 20 years older then their real ages.
Not surprising that a 12 year old girl wears full make-up, halter top with "I'm a slut" on it and tight pants that shows her ass crack, when Mom is letting her boobs hang out as she chases her little half breeds around.
And this is in a suburb. When somebody asks if white kids are weak minded, I would have to say: OH YEAH!!!
I'm a pessimist about white culture and here is why. A lot of white people are not very smart. Yes we have many geniuses that push our average IQ's up the scale but there are a lot of really stupid white people. Traditionally we evolved ways to reduce the effect these stupid asses had on our society, mainly by restricting political power and then the vote. But now? We are wide open to the many weaknesses of our people. And they are being exploited to no end.
The rest of us are caught in the middle. Where can I take my kids to prevent them from being exposed to the poisonous effects of our culture? If TV doesn't get them then school will. If I keep them away from school or TV then the kids in the neighborhood get them. When I try to rail against the morality that is taught to them at every turn I risk being targeted as an unfit parent. Church? HAH! Which one? They nearly all contribute to the ruin in an attempt to fit in or profit.
There are a lot of reasons to like this site but one of my favorite reasons is the treatment given to trolls.
If free_safety went to any other sports board and spoke against the prevailing views the response would be: F--K OFF!!!! and he would be banned.
Here we politely give the same responses to the same questions and WS hits him with the caste system nuclear bomb of "if you believe in genetics determing athleticism, why not intelligence? (Especially when there is so much more evidence on IQ then athletics.)
So free-safety, I guess you think genetics is king and that it has been "proven" that Whites just don't the genetics to compete in Track with blacks, at all.
So you take time out of your precious lifespan to post to a website whose gist is that Whites don't nessecarily suck as athletes, and that there are a host of societal factors explaining why one group may dominate certain sports at certain times.
You've decided to join debate with the few people who think that Whites just might be equal to Blacks in athletics (our "misguided" views must not be allowed to stand). How often have you joined a similar debate with the MANY people who clamor that Black results on I.Q. tests (Where they fall behind White averages far more than Whites fall behind Blacks in sprinting times), in the educational/work system, in crime, even as QBs in football, cannot have anything to do with innate ability, but result from unfair societal conditions?
Surely if the differences between the races are so vast and innate that 12% of the population being 90% of the athletes in certain sporting roles is the verdict of nature, then the dominance and superior performance of Whites in many aspects of life must also be nature and not nurture.
Tell me honestly: How many times have you gone on forums or gone in person to tell Blacks/Liberals to quit whining about "unfairness", that all evidence points to innate differences in mental traits between Whites and Blacks?
I'd bet my last dollar haven't done it once. If you have, I appologize. I diagree, but at least your consistent. But most likely you haven't, and you probably don't realize how hypocritical and anti-White speaking on one issue but not the other is, since that is EXACTLY the practice which has been mainstreamed in our society. "White Men Can't Jump"=funny, but "The Bell Curve"=heresy! Burn the heathens....
If you actually bothered to read all that FS, I thank you. We now return you to your regularly scheduled troll-bashing....
"Over all stands the Aryan barbarian, white-skinned, cold-eyed, dominant, the
supreme fighting man of earth." - Robert E. Howard
Actually many European countries take track and field far more seriously than does the US and have specific programs tailored to identify young talent and develop. Any German on this forum can attest to that.
I would disagree, the NCAA program is hands down the best "farm system" for track and field in the world. They have the best coaches and recruit talent from all over the world. Take a look at the top athletes in the NCAA rankings and see how many are from foreign countries.
With the exception of Great Britain, Germany, and Russia, the rest of Europe's track development is light years behind the U.S. For example, one of the top 2 sprinters in Europe is Matic Osovnikar. He was a competitive downhill skier until his late teens. If he would have been discovered in his early teens, he might be one of the top 100m guys in the world.
Originally posted by free-safety
Secondly track is the most objective sport. If a white kid consistently wins races, there is no fathomable reason a coach would exclude him from the team. Further to that almost each and every one of us has tried out for track in our childhood for the simple reason that is the simplest most straightforward sport.
We are not talking about excluding him from the team. Early in their development, the vast majority of white kids are automatically slotted to the longer distance events. Sprinting is something that takes years of training to get to an elite level. Just look at the progression of any of the top sprinters. Many of them were 11.0 100m guys in their mid teens. If they were white, they would have been moved to the 400m, 800m, Decathalon, etc. Visit any t&f website and you will still see people encouraging Wariner to run the 800m, when he's the best in the world at 400m. Sprint training is totally different from endurance training.
Originally posted by free-safety
Are there any recorded cases of talented white kids not getting scholarships ? I would dearly like to see proof of this.
I can think of two right off the top of my head. Trey Griffin (white) was one of the top two 100m sprinters in Texas in 2001, DeBryan Blanton (black) was the other. Both had identical PB of 10.32. Griffin was not offered a track scholarship by any of the major schools, Blanton went to Oklahoma. Griffin played football for SMU, where he rarely saw the field. He ran a little track in the offseason, but SMU dropped its track program. Luckily, he was able to transfer to Texas for his last season of eligibility, but to my understanding, he isn't on scholarship.
Matt Bruno was the California 100m and 200m champ, who went on to run for UCLA. After his first year, he was dismissed from the team for violating team rules. Here's where the double standard comes into play. It wasn't disclosed what the violation was, but it wasn't bad enough that he broke any laws. Black athletes can violate team rules, laws, etc, and they are always given a second chance, but no second chance for Bruno.
Originally posted by free-safety
When you say whites have been taught that they are not good, you are giving far too much credit to the media. No self respecting track coach will tell his students that their race bars them from being good. Are whites kids today so weak minded? I think not.
It is not just the coaches or the media, but a mindset of society. The coach won't tell his athlete that he is no good, he will just not slot them to run sprints.
Originally posted by free-safety
Go to any high school track meet across the states and you will see white kids competing and doing well at the sprints.
Actually, I go to some high school track meets and follow all of the meets in Texas, and there are very few whites doing well at the sprints. The ones that are doing well, are going to play baseball or football in college. (see Fast HSer) If what you say is true, then that should mean that more white kids should be running sprints in college. Participation is the key to getting more white kids at the elite level of sprinting. The problem is that their coaches, parents, etc are encouraging them to play some other sport.
I wonder if those who come to this site to argue or disprove the existence of a caste system in any sport bother to search the site or read any of the old threads. I haven't seen one yet come on board and present any new evidence or factoid that hasn't already been discussed on this site before.
Paraphrase, rephrase, change terms or definitions - still the same old, tired, worn out mantra that pushes the idea that blacks are better athletes.
Whites need not apply.
Why is it that the 100 meter sprint is considered the be all and end all of track competition anyway? Why doesn't Jeremy Wariner or Rock get nearly the accolades that Michael Johnson did? Did you see the coverage they gave the black ice skater in the Winter Olympics for his gold medal? Why isn't that kind of coverage offered to Wariner and Rock? Why are those two considered an anomaly while a gold medal winning black ice skater is perceived as more evidence of black athletic superiority, and 'only if blacks were given more opportunities or more interested in winter sports, they'd dominate those, too' comments abound.
You don't think role models matter? Then why the incessant push to display every black person on film and television as a doctor, lawyer, mayor, chief of police, or hero? White kids are beaten down in this country every day. They're not allowed to be proud they're white. They're constantly told that they can't ball as good as the blacks, they can't run as fast, and don't EVEN think about getting into a fight with a brother if you're white - you'll lose. Its like a lack of pigment is something akin to a debilitating illness that makes one weak and pacified or something.
Obviously, its all BS, but if you believe it, its true for you.
free_safety (must be white or his avatar would be corner_back )
we have gone over this many times on the forum. I will leave you with an old post from colonel callahan which I have reposted bfore (because I think it sums the issue up nicely) and a link to another thread which covered this issue and might illustrate our feelings on the matter.
Colonel's post)
it is no secret that the Africans can easily beat testing because they are so remote from the testers. Also some of the European testers are said to be reluctent to bust them as it is the only way for them to make any money.
here is a post from colonel callahan back in Feb, that sums it up: Topic: Steroids in Track & Field
Oh, all kinds of athletes use steroids. However, blacks have enjoyed
tremendous cover by officials and the media for about 40 years,
while whites (like the E. Germans) were always having fingers
pointed at them. I told people this for many years - my involvment
with the sport was far beyond that of casual or even fan. No one
believed me about athletes like Carl Lewis, among others. Then a
little tax investigation into Balco dovetailed nicely with Marion Jones'
old coach turning in a syringe with the residue from a "new" steroid
in it. Sure enough, it turned out the USATF, TAC, AAU, USOC, WADA
etc. had been covering up for blacks for years - not only in the US,
but in other countries as well.
Wariner? He's not on anything right now. That much is obvious. He is
probably the fastest ever runner - clean runner - over that distance.
How many other runners like him have quit the sport due to lack of
encouragement or bias? It's scary to ponder. Whites are
discouraged, blacks are encouraged and handed every advantage.
When I hear stories of "disadvantaged black or brown youth" etc. I
cringe, as they have so many avenues of free help, free facilities, free
training, you name it, here in the US and many places abroad. And
the facilities etc. abroad are many times funded by organizations
from the US!
I will relate the "alleged" (snicker) Michael Johnson story again. In
'92, fans will recall MJ contracted food poisoning, and ended up not
running as well as predicted. He couldn't make it through the rounds
of the 200, but did get a medal in the 4 x 400 relay. Well ...
"allegedly" (I snicker for reasons that will be all out in the open one
day) what really happened was MJ was popped on a random drug
test. The IAAF/IOC freaked. They didn't want another Ben Johnson
situation. So they brokered a deal. MJ would be constantly
monitored. If he stayed clean, he could run. Any hint of further drug
use, out he goes. Folks in the circle say MJ's confidence went down
the tubes - as did his muscular, ripped physique. Well, between '92
and '96, "supposedly", synthetic HGH (Human Growth Hormone) was
added to his drug *******tail by his doctors/sponsors/agent. He
became heavier and faster as we all saw in the Atlanta Games. His
19.32 200 was also the product of an illegally thin/hard track as well
as drugs. Look at the times of the second and third place runners -
who weren't drug free either - they never approached those times
again, never mind MJ. Sure, people will say it's made up. The folks
at Track and Field News know all the details, but won't say a thing,
calling it all rumour. Sure.
Anyway, whites were/are being purposely running out of sports. No
white heroes are wanted. The puppet masters can't control
everything, and the pendulum always swings the other way. I suspect
that we might see more whites succeed in "black" events/positions
simply due to young people rebelling against what they are told - as
long as they can also fight against the psychology that has made so
many whites timid, unwilling to fight or compete - and I'm not only
writing about sports. The internet is a great tool for us - as is the
emergence of DV/HD/DVD editing and creation on the PC. I am
working with some others on a possible project concerning much of
what we see/read on this site.
Back to track - whites were purposely KO'd from the sprints, as the
100 was and is the glamour event (with the mile in second).
Distance running was the next target, with that being almost totally
dominated by Europeans with four or five Kenyans or Ethiopians
making some impact. Once Dr. Gabriele Rosa fled cycling during a
drug investigation (of course, he was just tired of the sport, etc.) and
began training Kenyans, things changed within months. Kenyan
runners began running faster and faster and faster. With no changes
in training or mileage. Hmmmm. Jos Hermens, from the same bunch
as Rosa I might add, goes to Ethiopia and the same things happen.
And of course, E. Africans never undergo random drug tests at
home, always off in some remote village or some such if a tester can
even make out of the airport in Nairobi or Addis Ababa. When E.
Africans have been caught, like Kenya's greatest miler, Bernard
Lagat, politics intervene, and here come the excuses and stories,
such as Lagat's impossible "false positive" test, which then turned
into a "technicality" when the snickers turned to roars. It should
also be noted that Lagat's manager has been warned by the
governing bodies to not mention stories of "false accusations" and
the like under penalty of being barred from the sport. It's all the
same politics that black sprinters (especially American blacks) have
enjoyed for decades. Note that despite all the help, Europeans
managed to get in and scalp them in some distance events, as did
Morocco's Hicham El Guerrouj. (The Kenyans and Ethiopians
Actually many European countries take track and field far more seriously than does the US and have specific programs tailored to identify young talent and develop. Any German on this forum can attest to that.
Secondly track is the most objective sport. If a white kid consistently wins races, there is no fathomable reason a coach would exclude him from the team. Further to that almost each and every one of us has tried out for track in our childhood for the simple reason that is the simplest most straightforward sport.
Are there any recorded cases of talented white kids not getting scholarships ? I would dearly like to see proof of this. I can see this happening in football to a certain extent but track ? I don’t think so.
When you say whites have been taught that they are not good, you are giving far too much credit to the media. No self respecting track coach will tell his students that their race bars them from being good. Are whites kids today so weak minded? I think not. Go to any high school track meet across the states and you will see white kids competing and doing well at the sprints.
On blacks being protected by officials I will refer you to Tim Montgomery, Kelli White, Justin Harrison , Marion Jones and the myriad of other black athletes who have been banned. Marion Jones case is especially glaring because not only was she a media darling but she has been condemned without ever having failed a drug test. That blows any conspiracy theory out of the water. In fact had she been white, the howls of a conspiracy theory from many here would reach a crescendo.
To the surfsider
I have been following track closely for a long time. You mentioned the poor performance of Kenya and other African nations at Helsinki 83. But you seem not to realize that prior to 83, Kenya and Ethiopia had been producing world class runners. In fact Henry Rono who was a USA college based athlete set 5 world records in a 3 month span in 78. Kenya did poorly at Helsinki 83 because they had missed out on international competition for the 11 year period between 1972 and 1983. That lack of international exposure led to a significant drop in standards and low motivation among athletes based in Kenya, hence their poor performance. But by LA 1984, they were on the way back.
As for Dr Rosa and doping, that’s just a conspiracy theory with no basis. Its worth noting that Kenya & to a lesser extent Ethiopia produces literally hundreds of world class runners who compete in marathons, road races, Olympics, cwealth games, golden league meetings, all of which have stringent dope testing procedures. Yet no Kenyan has ever been banned for failing a dope test. I see absolutely no reason why the media across the entire globe would conspire to keep Dr Rosa’s activities on Kenya a secret if he were doping up Kenyans. The media loves sensational stories. And in this day of the internet, its virtually impossible that such a story would not break. Further to that, the IAAF has no plausible reason for protecting Kenyans or Ethiopians. Dr Rosa’s impact is overplayed. He works with a select few athletes. Many Kenyan athletes have in all likelihood never met Dr Rosa.
The rise in the performance of East Africans starting in the late 80s coincided with the commercilization of track. Prior to then there was littlke motivation to excel because most East African track heros lived in poverty.
in terms of raw physical talent JW is not so extraordinary.. yes great to be sure, but not alone in any sense. however he has mental drive and most importantly he is being coached by the best in the business.
I was hoping you would take up the cudgels on this one Colonel. I would only add that free_safety should quickly peruse results from Olympic and World championships that will limn your thesis perfectly. I would refer free_safety to the World Championships thread on this site which has postings on this topic. Look especially at the results from the '83 Worlds, even more than in the sprints look what has happened to whites in the distances since Dr. Rosa and his syringe hit Africa.
The caste system in sprinting is based in the US. The countries listed by
"free-safety" have never had much of interest or history of sprinting,
despite producing a top sprinter once in a while. The interest isn't there.
In the US, we basically had our top people going back and forth between
blacks and whites - blacks have a higher percentage of people with sprint
talent, but there are fast whites, and they would routinely win titles and
championships. Look at sprint results in worldwide meets through the
mid 60's. By 1968, the 'campaign' had hit full gear, Sports Illustrated
began an attack on whites, going on and on about 'black speed' etc. From
the mid 60's on, whites have been denigrated and denied many sports in
the US, not just track. For some "reason", white kids with talent all of a
sudden were not getting scholarships when it came to sprints. This was
abrupt. Same thing happened in football in many positions, a bit slowly
at first, then accelerated. Now we see talented whites buried by scores of
less talented whites - not to mention decreased white participation
because whites have been taught they aren't as good or don't have a
chance - in short, all the things that are claimed to be done to blacks -
but they are actually done to whites. It's along the lines of jewish leftists
wailing about Hitler but denying or turning a blind eye to jewish led
communism in E. Europe, people like Lazar Kaganavich murdering
between 20 - 30 million people and getting a pass, being ignored.
However, I digress. The US had a great sprint tradition, still has one, but
whites were booted. The glamour events are the 100 and the mile, and if
you wanted to quickly KO whites in an event, you'd go for the 100, as
black American standouts in the mile are not a dime a dozen. If you don't
think American blacks are aided by officials, then explain why Carl Lewis
was protected during his career despite repeated positive drug test
results. All he says now is that he was doing what everyone else was
doing. Why is Mr. Gatlin let off with some lame excuse about a "learning
disability" (so many blacks in track caught on stimulants claim ADD) while
Kenteris is attacked and pilloried? Kenteris was chased because he'd won
the Olympics and Worlds, and he was quite an embarrassment to some
people one would suspect.
Wariner came out and blew things open in the 400 and all of a sudden we
see more and more white runners in the event. If he's left alone, more
great things may happen. If he's left alone. Don't doubt the powers that
be letting some people "get away with more" so we can have a "Quincy
Watts" for the press to worship. Yeah, sounds paranoid, but King Carl was
a drug and media creation, not to mention top dog for shoe
endorsements.
It was only a matter of time before cracks would appear. Look at
European success against the invincible NBA, Wariner, the collapse of
black supremacy in boxing which might have been helped out by white
success in NHB where top black fighters are rare. The US has white kids
with talent all over the place, but they will not be encouraged, rarely given
a chance, with the media and academia leading the anti white charge. The
disparity we see in numbers between blacks and whites in some US sports
is artificially inflated. The NFL and sprints are two of our main examples.
The media will trumpet the people they deem should be top dogs. That's
one of the biggest hurdles, one of the biggest keys to this problem. Why
do you think boxing is less of a presence on the one eyed bolshevist?
Too many white champs all of a sudden.
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