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Posted: 04 June 2006 at 10:50pm

Originally posted by free-safety

All I would like to see is a real case of an athlete who ran well in high school and was not offered a scholarship. What you've provided so far amounts to rumour mongering. You have no proof. You dont provide any links or any other evidence to buttress your viewpoint. You dont know for sure that Andrew Rock was not offered a scholarship by the 118 div 1 schools. You just assume that because he went to Div 2.

I gave you Trey Griffin as an example!!! Here is another one. Stanton Jobe was the top 100m sprinter in Central Texas for the last 3 years. He ran a PB of 10.35 and just this year won his district meet with a 10.49 FAT (fully automatic timing). He wasn't offered a scholarship by any Division 1 schools. He is going to Virginia as an invite walk-on to play football and run track. If you want an article, click here: http://www.thesabre.com/news_archive/newsFilterFootball-2.ph p, pay your hard earned $5.99 to suscribe and read the article halfway down the page.

I am sorry but I only follow high school track in Texas, so I can only give you examples from here. I am sure there are others in other states.

Free-safety I give you examples, yet you don't acknowledge them. WTH more do you want??? BTW, where is your list of 10.5-11.0 white sprinters that have earned a scholarship to run track? I'd like to see it.

Edited by SteveB]]> Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:50:22 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34040#34040 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Free Safety, Many of the posters... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34036#34036 Author: voice
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Posted: 04 June 2006 at 9:18pm

Free Safety,

Many of the posters on this board have educated themselves not only on the subject of racial dynamics in sport but also racial dynamics as it effects our children, civilization and ultimately our way of life as a people.

At this point with your morally superior position on racial matters, I am sure you are beginning to initiate the pavlovian response to "racists" such as myself, but this position is one that most thinking people would wish they never would have to take.

Logic and established fact, lead us to unfashionable conclusions.

There are many books you need to read before you should even be allowed(however misguided) take the default morally superior position, but you may want to start with the "Bell Curve"-Charles Murray and "Race, Evolution and Behaviour" by Phillippe Ruston. Also, you may want to download the "Color of Crime" on Amren.com.

After you begin to position the behavioural and genetic differences between racial groups and how it impacts society ,you can begin to look at more trivial matters such as racial dynamics in sporting arena.

In the meantime, feast on this reality for white young athletes in racially mixed environments.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/05/thatll_teach_em .php

More than likely, you are young man without family to think about or a wife/daughter to protect. If this isn't the case, it is hard for me to cut you slack on what is happening right before your eyes.

]]> Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:18:41 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34036#34036 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by free-safetyPeople... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34033#34033 Author: JD074
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Posted: 04 June 2006 at 9:00pm

Originally posted by free-safety

People ignore the fact that the achievements of people like Woronin have never been replicated and they ran at a time when steroid use was rampant in Eastern Europe.

That's a good point. And maybe, just maybe, when you consider how black sprinters' times have dramatically improved since that time, and white sprinters' haven't budged, perhaps it's because America has the best chemicals now instead of E. Europe. I'm not stating a fact; that's just speculation on my part.

Originally posted by free-safety

For years there has been a cloud of suspicion hanging above Lance Armstrong but nobody here seems to think there is a possibility he may have doped.

I'm open to the possibility that Armstrong cheated. We don't focus on that because that's not our purpose here. We're not interested in talking about Armstrong's chemicals, and we don't have to be interested. We don't have to be objective.

If Armstrong cheated, I hope we never find out.

Originally posted by free-safety

As I said earlier, coaches are under pressure to deliver results both on the track and in class. No sane coach would risk his job and pass up a good student athlete or one that could deliver results.

No, but a dumb one might. Can't a businessman, for example, make a bad business decision, even though he's focused on his bottom line? There's no guarantee that a coach will make a good decision about a particular athlete just because he's "under pressure" to succeed.

Originally posted by free-safety

When you say group think you are insinuating that all coaches lack the ability to think independently. They are all so brainwashed and so in awe of blacks that when a white athlete runs 10.50 and a black athlete runs 10.60, they still think the black is faster. That is ridiculous.

But they might think that the black has more "upside."

Originally posted by free-safety

Having perused this site I have yet to see any real proof of double standards. What I see is plenty of innuendo with absolutely no proof.

What the f*ck do you expect from us? We're not journalists. We're not scientists. We're here to celebrate white athletes. We're under no obligation to prove anything to you. And you are in no position to demand- or expect- anything from us.
]]> Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:00:19 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34033#34033 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by SteveB Exactly... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34015#34015 Author: free-safety
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Posted: 04 June 2006 at 2:07pm

Originally posted by SteveB

Exactly what proof do you need? Do you want me to provide a secret tape recording of a coach telling a kid that he isn't going to recruit him because he is white? Look through this site and you will see articles with quotes from coaches saying exactly that.

All I would like to see is a real case of an athlete who ran well in high school and was not offered a scholarship. What you've provided so far amounts to rumour mongering. You have no proof. You dont provide any links or any other evidence to buttress your viewpoint. You dont know for sure that Andrew Rock was not offered a scholarship by the 118 div 1 schools. You just assume that because he went to Div 2.

How do you really prove discrimination? Black leaders claim that the NFL discriminates against black head coaches. Where is their proof? The evidence of discrimination against white athletes is all around you, yet you don't see it. I stand by my claim that you are in a state of denial.

You prove discrimination by showing the existence of qualified individuals who are not given opportunities. If a white athlete consistemtly runs 100m in the 10.50 range and goes without a scholarship then theres your proof.

As far as a kid going public, you have to have willing people in the media to participate in such an event. If a kid did go public, he would be vilified by the media.

A kid does not even have to mention race as an issue. All he would have to say is that I ran extremely well yet no one offered me a scholarship. He does not even have to mention that it happened because he was white. If this were to happen then you would have concrete proof.
Also why dont retired athletes who have nothing to loose speak out. Are they so scared of the media or do they lack the courage of their convictions. I say its neither.

Look what happened to Limbaugh for criticizing the sports media about McNabb's coverage. Do you think that ESPN is going to run a special on white discrimination in athletics? I wouldn't hold my breath.

ESPN will not run a special on anti-white dicrimination in track because it does not exist.
I agree that some in the media are biased. But it goes both ways. Many white athletes such as Brett Favre get a pass for behaviour that is detrimental to the team.
Brett Favre once said that he has absolutely no interest in helping groom and teach the young Green Bay QB. Were he black some of you would be screaming blue murder calling him selfish and not team oriented. Yet many in the media praised his stance.]]> Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:07:01 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34015#34015 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by jaxvidWell... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34013#34013 Author: free-safety
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Posted: 04 June 2006 at 1:52pm

Originally posted by jaxvid

Well your response is full of BS too. You say the Keynans couldn't be on the juice because they are in remote villages, then you agree that several have been caught? Well which is it?

As far as I know, only one Kenyan has been failed a dope test(Chepchumba). All I said was that I find it hard to believe that back in the 60s Kenyan athletes could afford performance enhancing drugs much less have access to them.
It seems that the general consensus on this website is that if an Jamaican or a Kenyan excels then he must be on dope. If a European excels then it must be becuase of some slavic characteristic uknown to scientists.
People ignore the fact that the achievements of people like Woronin have never been replicated and they ran at a time when steroid use was rampant in Eastern Europe.

You say because so many blacks have been suspended for drugs that it proves they do not get a pass, well I say all it proves is that they are the tip of the iceberg.

Drug use is rampant in track and in cycling. What I find preposterous is that black athletes are being protected.
In cycling for example, one retired cyclist claimed that nearly every world class athlete uses some kind of performance enhancing drug. Yet hardly anyone ever gets banned. For years there has been a cloud of suspicion hanging above Lance Armstrong but nobody here seems to think there is a possibility he may have doped.

You twice mention that it would be an insult to coaches to insinuate that they are part of the caste system in sports, but that is the point, the whole thing is institutionalized by stereotypes and group think, just like any other widespread organizational malaise.

As I said earlier, coaches are under pressure to deliver results both on the track and in class. No sane coach would risk his job and pass up a good student athlete or one that could deliver results. His job is on the line. If he does not produce results he may be fired. Why then would he risk his job by turning down a good white athlete with excellent grades ?
When you say group think you are insinuating that all coaches lack the ability to think independently. They are all so brainwashed and so in awe of blacks that when a white athlete runs 10.50 and a black athlete runs 10.60, they still think the black is faster. That is ridiculous.

Nobody here is saying white athletes never dope up. We are saying there is a double standard. If you don't agree that society has a double standard for black and white behavior then you are just clueless. And if you don't agree with the central idea of this site then why bother posting?

Having perused this site I have yet to see any real proof of double standards. What I see is plenty of innuendo with absolutely no proof. I have yet to see anyone offer evidence that a qualified white sprinter was actually denied a scholarship. No white sprinter has come out and stated that they were denied a scholarship. Its ridiculous to think that a high schooler who runs the 100m in 10.5 seconds will go without being offered a scholarship by any of the 118 division 1 schools.
As for me being clueless all I can say is that there is only a tiny minority that thinks white sprinters are not getting opportunities. Based on your logic then most Americans are clueless. Have you guys considered the possibility that theres a good reason why your extreme views are not shared by the general public ?

In fact never mind the public. None of the athletes mentioned here seem to share your views. Which is why none of them have ever come out in the open and complained of any bias even after retiring.
[/QUOTE] ]]> Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:52:37 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=34013#34013 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : I really hope that JW will attempt... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33705#33705 Author: white lightning
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Posted: 26 May 2006 at 9:50pm

I really hope that JW will attempt the double at nationals in Indy.I know it would be highly unlikely for him to win the 200 meters with multiple rounds,but the experience going into the next few years would be very valuable.If he wants to attempt the double in the Olympics in 2008,he needs to start training for that.The 400 is his as long as he stays healthy.]]> Fri, 26 May 2006 21:50:00 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33705#33705 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Well, why dont those Duke lacrosse... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33684#33684 Author: OC football
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Posted: 26 May 2006 at 5:17pm

Well, why dont those Duke lacrosse players go public reguarding their mistreatment. White people dont play the race card. We are better then that.

Even with affirmative action and other measures put in place whites still run this economy.

Today the average white man has 13 times the net wealth of the average black man; representing the largest difference since the end of the civil war.

For more go to "United for a fair economy .com"]]> Fri, 26 May 2006 17:17:56 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33684#33684 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by free-safety And... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33591#33591 Author: JD074
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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 9:42pm

Originally posted by free-safety

And for that matter if white sprinters are indeed facing discrimination then why dont they go public ? What are they afraid of ? They have nothing to loose.

They have nothing to gain. ]]> Wed, 24 May 2006 21:42:25 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33591#33591 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Great job J.W.!! I think that... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33397#33397 Author: SteveB
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Posted: 21 May 2006 at 8:42pm

Great job J.W.!! I think that this proves to him and Hart that he can compete against the best in the event and will provide more motivation for him to continue in the deuce. Go Jeremy!!]]> Sun, 21 May 2006 20:42:24 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33397#33397 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Another good race for Jeremy Wariner... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33393#33393 Author: white lightning
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Posted: 21 May 2006 at 6:11pm

Another good race for Jeremy Wariner today.He took 2nd in the 200 meters in a time of 20.19!He set another p.b. and is progressing very nicely.Training with W.Spearmon can only make the both of them better.They are both outstanding sprinters in their events.Wariner will go sub 20 possibly by the end of this summer if he can get enough deuces in.He still will focus primarily on the 400 meters.I expect him to double even more next year as he attempts to duplicate what MJ did at the Olympics in Atlanta.I really like Coach Hart getting him running the shorter sprints more.It can only help Wariner in his chase to try and break the 400 world record someday!Congrats to J.W. on another fine race.

]]> Sun, 21 May 2006 18:11:05 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33393#33393 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by free-safety I... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33378#33378 Author: SteveB
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Posted: 21 May 2006 at 2:45pm

Originally posted by free-safety

I am not in denial. I simply would like to see proof that the athletes you named were really discriminated against.

Exactly what proof do you need? Do you want me to provide a secret tape recording of a coach telling a kid that he isn't going to recruit him because he is white? Look through this site and you will see articles with quotes from coaches saying exactly that.

How do you really prove discrimination? Black leaders claim that the NFL discriminates against black head coaches. Where is their proof? The evidence of discrimination against white athletes is all around you, yet you don't see it. I stand by my claim that you are in a state of denial.

As far as a kid going public, you have to have willing people in the media to participate in such an event. If a kid did go public, he would be vilified by the media. Look what happened to Limbaugh for criticizing the sports media about McNabb's coverage. Do you think that ESPN is going to run a special on white discrimination in athletics? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Edited by SteveB]]> Sun, 21 May 2006 14:45:22 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33378#33378 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by SteveB Free-safety... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33374#33374 Author: free-safety
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Posted: 21 May 2006 at 1:12pm

Originally posted by SteveB

Free-safety you are in a state of denial. Why don't you name the dozens of white sprinters that get full scholarships? I would like to see that list. Most white sprinters that you could name were walk-ons. I give you an example of discrimination and you say that it is impossible. If Griffin wanted to make big money in football, why would he go to a crappy program like SMU? The reason is that they are the only ones that offered him a scholarship.

I am not in denial. I simply would like to see proof that the athletes you named were really discriminated against. There have been wild rumours about Wariner not having received a football scholarship. Now we find out from the link I posted above that he indeed got a football scholarship.
Have you considered the possibility that Matt Bruno did not want the reasons for his dismissal revealed ? If he was discriminted against then why did he not go public with the reasons. It seems to me that he himself has chosen to keep the reasons for his dismissal secret.
And for that matter if white sprinters are indeed facing discrimination then why dont they go public ? What are they afraid of ? They have nothing to loose. They dont even have to mention race. All they would have to say is. "For whetever reason, No one offered me a scholarship".

Here is another example: Andrew Rock, who was second in the 400m at last year's World Championships. He wasn't recruited by any Division 1 colleges and ended up running in Division III. According to your logic that would be impossible too.

Again I ask. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion ? There are several athletes who turn down scholarships for academic reasons. Andrew Rocks strikes me as one of those.
Also if its true that no one offered him a scholarship then that story would have become big news. You know the media likes this kind of thing.
here is an interview where he says that he chose La crosse due to its size. he makes no mention of missing out oon scholarships
http://www.trackshark.com/interviews/2003/andrew_rock.php
No sane college coach would pass up the opportunity to recruit a true student athlete who will raise the programs GPA. Coaches are liable to be fired if the program GPA is too low.

You need to go through and thoroughly read this website. You will see example after example of white kids that get discriminated against.

Believe me I have read through most of it. I think this website would have plenty of credibility if the claims were backed up by solid proof.
If all these white sprinters are being discriminated agaisnt then how come none have spoken out ?]]> Sun, 21 May 2006 13:12:07 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33374#33374 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by free-safety Finally... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33333#33333 Author: JD074
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Posted: 20 May 2006 at 10:17pm

Originally posted by free-safety

Finally the notion that only blacks get away with dope is baseless. What about Kenteris and Thanou ? They came out of nowhere and won the 200m gold and 110 silver in Sydney. Anytime a non contender wins then dissapears for 4 years one has to suspect dope.

Yeah, Kenteris disappeared... by winning the Triple Crown.

]]> Sat, 20 May 2006 22:17:29 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33333#33333 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by free-safety Its... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33268#33268 Author: SteveB
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Posted: 19 May 2006 at 1:52am

Originally posted by free-safety

Its impossible for anyone who regularly clocks 10.32 or thereabouts to go without being offered scholarships by a big school. Your conspiracy thories are too wild. I refuse to believe that white coaches are this biased against white sprinters. I know there are dozens of white sprinters who get full scholarships have never run below 11.00 seconds. Start by looking at the Notre dame athletics website. Why would ND offere scholarships to white sprinters who have never broken 11.00 sec yet refuse to offer scholarship to one who has run 10.32 ? It makes no sense. My guess is Griffin chose football over track because he thought he had a better chance of making big money.

Free-safety you are in a state of denial. Why don't you name the dozens of white sprinters that get full scholarships? I would like to see that list. Most white sprinters that you could name were walk-ons. I give you an example of discrimination and you say that it is impossible. If Griffin wanted to make big money in football, why would he go to a crappy program like SMU? The reason is that they are the only ones that offered him a scholarship.

Here is another example: Andrew Rock, who was second in the 400m at last year's World Championships. He wasn't recruited by any Division 1 colleges and ended up running in Division III. According to your logic that would be impossible too.

You need to go through and thoroughly read this website. You will see example after example of white kids that get discriminated against.

Edited by SteveB]]> Fri, 19 May 2006 01:52:15 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33268#33268 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Well your response is full of... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33257#33257 Author: jaxvid
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 10:09pm

Well your response is full of BS too. You say the Keynans couldn't be on the juice because they are in remote villages, then you agree that several have been caught? Well which is it?

You say because so many blacks have been suspended for drugs that it proves they do not get a pass, well I say all it proves is that they are the tip of the iceberg.

You twice mention that it would be an insult to coaches to insinuate that they are part of the caste system in sports, but that is the point, the whole thing is institutionalized by stereotypes and group think, just like any other widespread organizational malaise. Like for instance affirmative action. Do teachers, HR directors and bureacrats consider it an insult when they promote or hire lesser qualified blacks to positions just to serve some goal of diversity? I bet they would be as insulted as your track coaches if you said that to them.

Nobody here is saying white athletes never dope up. We are saying there is a double standard. If you don't agree that society has a double standard for black and white behavior then you are just clueless. And if you don't agree with the central idea of this site then why bother posting?

People here have different views. I agree that blacks have an average genetic advantage in sprinting. I disagree that it is 100% and I disagree that it rationalizes athletic favoritism in every other sport or event.

This site has made a souund and rational case for anti-white athletic discrimination. There is an article in the football section about bias against white running backs in a major media publication. Is that conspiracy paranoia too? We have many other examples from other news outlets.

I appreciate your long post on the subject, I guess you wanted to give us poor white guys that suffer from paranoia and sour grapes, a lesson on the subject.

I gather that must be a public service you provide.
You wrote: "I visit so called liberal websites to disprove their wild theories and get the same kind of pillorying I get here." Which tells me you are just a prick that goes around annoying people. Do you go into strangers houses and criticize the decor too?

]]> Thu, 18 May 2006 22:09:50 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33257#33257 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : From Steve B With the exception... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33252#33252 Author: free-safety
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 9:16pm

From Steve B

With the exception of Great Britain, Germany, and Russia, the rest of Europe's track development is light years behind the U.S. For example, one of the top 2 sprinters in Europe is Matic Osovnikar. He was a competitive downhill skier until his late teens. If he would have been discovered in his early teens, he might be one of the top 100m guys in the world.

So does a caste system exist in GB, Germany, Russia and Australia, all of which have excellent development programs. Have you ever heard about the Australian Institutes of sport ? It�s the reason Oz wins more medals per capita than any other country. Speaking of talent that never gets discovered, I have to say Africa takes the lead. There�s tons of talent there but most of it goes to waste because there are no development programs.

We are not talking about excluding him from the team. Early in their development, the vast majority of white kids are automatically slotted to the longer distance

Any track coaches who read your comments would take such claims as an insult.
A coach would have to be incompetent to slot a sprinter to long distance events. Its basic knowledge that most natural sprinters cannot hack it at long distances. Even switching a person from 100m to 200m demands careful consideration

can think of two right off the top of my head. Trey Griffin (white) was one of the top two 100m sprinters in Texas in 2001, DeBryan Blanton (black) was the other. Both had identical PB of 10.32. Griffin was not offered a track scholarship by any of the major schools, Blanton went to Oklahoma. Griffin played football for SMU, where he rarely saw the field. He ran a little track in the offseason, but SMU dropped its track program. Luckily, he was able to transfer to Texas for his last season of eligibility, but to my understanding, he isn't on scholarship.

Its impossible for anyone who regularly clocks 10.32 or thereabouts to go without being offered scholarships by a big school. Your conspiracy thories are too wild. I refuse to believe that white coaches are this biased against white sprinters. I know there are dozens of white sprinters who get full scholarships have never run below 11.00 seconds. Start by looking at the Notre dame athletics website. Why would ND offere scholarships to white sprinters who have never broken 11.00 sec yet refuse to offer scholarship to one who has run 10.32 ? It makes no sense. My guess is Griffin chose football over track because he thought he had a better chance of making big money.

Matt Bruno was the California 100m and 200m champ, who went on to run for UCLA. After his first year, he was dismissed from the team for violating team rules. Here's where the double standard comes into play. It wasn't disclosed what the violation was, but it wasn't bad enough that he broke any laws. Black athletes can violate team rules, laws, etc, and they are always given a second chance, but no second chance for Bruno.

This is not true. I see black athletes dismissed from teams all the time and often the reasons are never given. If Bruno wanted to resume his track career he could have gone to a Division II school. In track and field its easy to strike it big even if you go to D-II. If Matt really wanted a track career he could have pursued it at another school.

It is not just the coaches or the media, but a mindset of society. The coach won't tell his athlete that he is no good, he will just not slot them to run sprints.

Again most track coaches would take this as an insult. I see whites competing at the spirints all the time. In any case most whites today go to suburban or rural schools that are 95% white so the chances of them being discriminated against are nil. If a coach discriminated against them he would have no one left as the number of blacks in the school are too few.

White savage said

So free-safety, I guess you think genetics is king and that it has been "proven" that Whites just don't the genetics to compete in Track with blacks, at all.

I believe that most of what is written about track on this website amount to wild conspiracy theories and in many cases sour grapes. The real issues are not being addressed. Anyone who thinks young athletes in North America train as hard as their Kenyan counterparts is dreaming. American coaches who have visisted Kenya can attest to this.

Those who visit Kenya and Ethiopia quickly realize why they excel. In fact Dieter Baumann of Germany was the loudest voice is condemning Kenyans for drug use until he went to train in Kenya upon which he

Tell me honestly: How many times have you gone on forums or gone in person to tell Blacks/Liberals to quit whining about "unfairness", that all evidence points to innate differences in mental traits between Whites and Blacks?

I visit so called liberal websites to disprove their wild theories and get the same kind of pillorying I get here.

You guys said it as good or better than I could.Free Saftey is an idiot who is just trying to stir the pot.He knows very little about track.Entines Book "Taboo"is being made out to be the lie that it is.He guaranteed that africans would win every medal from the 100 to the distance events.What happened?Why has the fastest woman in the world been a white woman 2 of the last 3 major championships.Do you not think that it is possible for white men to be competetive again?If so,explain how we were in the past before the c.rights movement.Everything changed and most of the opportunities dried up.There is an uprising and Wariner is only the beginning.What are you going to do when we start winning more than you

I and Entine and we had a debate / shouting match. Suffice to say I disagree with most of his thesis.

Man it gets tedious but I will respond. Citing Rono's world record tear in '78 is just a stupid way to buttress the argument that the Kenyans were so hurt by missing the '76 and '80 Olympics. Saying that East African running blossomed in the late '80s because of increased commercialization ignores the great success that African runners had been having for decades. Bikila winning the marathon in '60 and '64 for example. Wolde, Keino, Jipcho... Then too, there are the hordes of Africans that had been running at American colleges for decades.

You are clearly contradicting yourself. One minute you say that the poor performance of Africans at Helsinki 83 is proof that they must be doping then the next minute you agree that they did produce great runners before 1983.
Bottomline is that having one lousy outing means nothing. Australia hardly won any swimming medals at the 84 olympics. Now they win more swimming medals than anyone else per capita. Why not use the same logic against them ?

I'll be as dismissive of free_safety's naive(cynical?) acceptance of the purity and integrity of international track and field's drug-testing as he is of the "conspiracy theories" of doping and cover-ups. The recent revelations about all the hushed-up drug violations by U.S. track should make anyone suspicious about the honesty of the process. Poor Marion Jones has endured such calumny, her career is ruined and she has never failed a drug test while loudly and proudly proclaiming her innocence; so where are the libel suits? Come on Marion, your character has been impugned! Yeah, right.

No one says drug testing is effective. My point is that the notion that blacks are given a pass is a joke when you consider all the black athletes who have been suspended for dope. If there is indeed a conspiracy to protect blacks then why was Kellie White, Torry Edwards, Marion Jones, Tim Monty and a host of other black runners suspended ? In the USA, in Europe and in Africa. Clearly there is no conspiracy there.

Colonel; said

The joys of dealing with trolls, one doesn't know where to start. Kenyans
have been caught using drugs. Chepchumba was ko'd for EPO, sort of a
sacrifice from Rosa's crew - from his son's crew, excuse me. Daniel
Komen was popped for "excess caffeine", sure. Didn't run to well after
that, no wonder most people think it was more than Starbucks on tap. Of
course, the excuses regarding 'special metabolisms' that make it 'look
like' the athlete was doping come up. Lagat was popped for EPO, but he
ended up with the 'false positive' AND his manager being told by the IAAF
to stop claiming his athlete was fingered unjustly. For all the talk, the
official IAAF reason Lagat was released was for a 'technicality'. Then
there's Ngugi refusing drug tests and getting blasted, Kitur caught on
roids (he was fast 400 meter man). I could go on, but you see the picture.
However, the Africans seem to get off on 'technicalities' or 'extraordinary
circumstances'. Look at the S. African runner Sepeng, he's getting the
extraoridinay circumstances treatment. Thys, the white S. African popped
for the same thing (nandralone) has not had officials rushing to aid
instantly as they did for Sepeng. Why is that? Oh no, it's just paranoia.

1.        The fact that Chepchumba was suspsended makes nonsense of the notion that Kenyans are given a pass
2.        Lagat was given a reprieve because the B sample tested negative. False positives do happen you know. That�s why there is an A sample and a B sample
3.        The fact that Ngugi was banned also makes nonsense of the idea that Africans are given a pass or that African remoteness prevents them from being tested. For the record Ngugi never failed and has never failed a test. He was banned because he refused to be tested when 2 strangers showed up at his farm to test him. There was no precedent for this so he felt uneasy about giving a urine sample to people he has never seen ?
4.        Kitur was never caught on roids !! I would like to see a link stating he did.

BTW, no one has said all the Kenyans are dirty, and only a fool would
think they are all clean. Most insiders feel that Rosa and Hermens etc. are
working with the best 'responders' to some drugs - which means they
might not be the most naturally talented E. Africans. Couple the large
participation of E. Africans with the almost nil interest in Europe and even
worse in the US, you will see a disparity. However, to think that Rosa,
conveniently leaving cycling during the middle of a drug investigation to
coach Kenyan runners doesn't at least warrant a second look is naive or
shows willful igorance. Hermens reputation as an athlete speaks for
itself. Kostre, well, there's one of those E. Bloc fellas somehow ending up
in Ethiopia.

The exact opposite is true. Only a fool would cast aspersions without any proof. The idea that the whole world knows of Dr Rosa doping Kenyans and everyone has conspired to be silent is utterly ludicrous. What does the world have to gain by hiding Dr Rosa�s activities ?

Dieter Baumann of Germany used to be the most outspoken person in claiming that Kenyans used drugs until he visited Kenya upon which he had this to say

"Go to Kenya," he says. "See how they live, how they train. Uncover all their secrets. Then if you still think they might be using drugs, then I will talk to you."

How could anyone really indulge in conspiracy? Too many people would find out. How was Carl Lewis' drug use buried for over 20 years? Drug use he doesn't try to deny anymore. No, no officials conspired to keep
that secret. Nope. Too many people involved, yesiree. Selective enforcement and attention goes on in other sports. Remember the folks in DC making a show about steroid use in MLB. Conveniently, no black
Americans called in - although Bonds and Sheffield figured prominently.
The NFL? A bastion of fairness, real world results and numbers
notwithstanding. Nothing like dealing with trolls. They say whatever they
want or repeat PC dogma without anything to back themselves up. The
TIm Wise school of debate, lie and run. It's the marxist way!

I agree that in the past, the IAAF & USATF conspired to hide positive drug tests. But based on what I see nowdays, I highly doubt that the IAAF would hide positive drug tests especially those of Kenyans. What possible motivation would they have for protecting Dr Rosa ?

Are white kids so easily led? Look around. Maybe look at yourself. Then again, maybe you're one of the leaders.

The current rise of whites in some sports, and the appearance of whites in events for years deemed 'black only' is probably the result of some
kind of subconscious rebellion, wherein some kids just don't care anymore, and partly the result of the inevitable swing of the pendulum when artificial situations are in place. The increased attacks on whites, subtle and not so subtle signify an awareness on the part of the enemies of whites, although their arrogance will never let them admit such.

Kudos to Wariner for his feat. I am a big fan of his. he is excelent but its nothing unique. Just recently there have been some excellent white 400m runners such as Roger Black, & Iwan Thomas. There have been excellent jumpers such as Jonathan Edwards and Heike Dreschler .

If anyone is interested in some more realistic views on why East Africans excel at running and why there was a sudeen surge in performance since the mid 80s then go to this link.
http://www.kenyarunners.com/pages/167372/page167372.html?ref resh=1112199340418 q

Finally the notion that only blacks get away with dope is baseless. What about Kenteris and Thanou ? They came out of nowhere and won the 200m gold and 110 silver in Sydney. Anytime a non contender wins then dissapears for 4 years one has to suspect dope.
Yuliya Nesterenko did the same thing. Came out of nowhere won the 100m then dissapeared. And when she came back she was nowhere near the medal bracket. Something about that does not add up.
Many European sprinters have this tendency to exhibit a sudden spike in performance right around the olympics or worlds followed by a series of dismal performaces. names like Andre Bucher and Borzakovsky come to mind as well.

My point here is that getting away with doping is not confined to black athletes. It seems everyone does it and gets away with it.

Oh and BTW according to coach Hart, Jeremy Wariner was offered a football scholarship by Baylor. So the notion that he was never offered a football scholarship is just more hyperbole

http://www.american-trackandfield.com/news/olympicQnAwariner .html

Edited by free-safety]]> Thu, 18 May 2006 21:16:42 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=33252#33252 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : I would guess he would be around... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32751#32751 Author: white lightning
Subject: 2911
Posted: 09 May 2006 at 3:32am

I would guess he would be around a 4.4 in the 40.He is very long strides & it takes him a little bit to get up to speed.The 40 is such a short sprint.It still a joke that Wariner wanted to play football and wasn't offered a scholarship.I guess he was too slow like most whites are perceived to be.What a joke!!No one could have covered this guy consistantly at receiver.He would have tore defenses arpart.That being said,I'm glad that for once the Caste System worked in our favor.We may be watching one of the greatest sprinters that has ever lived and that is far more important!Footballs Loss is for sure Tracks Gain!!]]> Tue, 09 May 2006 03:32:42 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32751#32751 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : What do you guys think Warnier's... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32745#32745 Author: Alpha Male
Subject: 2911
Posted: 09 May 2006 at 2:47am

What do you guys think Warnier's 40 yd dash time would be?]]> Tue, 09 May 2006 02:47:20 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32745#32745 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : In the race in Jamaica,Andrew... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32659#32659 Author: white lightning
Subject: 2911
Posted: 07 May 2006 at 5:15pm

In the race in Jamaica,Andrew Rock came in 2nd in a very fast time of 44.89!It's good to see Andrew in fine early season form.

One other thing.Wariner will be racing his next 200 meters in two weeks at the Addidas Track Classic.With it being so close to summer,the conditions hopefully will be almost perfect.He really needs to start getting his times down lower in the deuce.Keep up the great sprinting Jeremy!!]]> Sun, 07 May 2006 17:15:12 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32659#32659 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Wariner won by a landslide.Mitch... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32655#32655 Author: white lightning
Subject: 2911
Posted: 07 May 2006 at 4:43pm

Wariner won by a landslide.Mitch Potter came in 3rd in the race and Spearmon was 4th.Jeremy continues to amaze and defy his skeptics.What more will it take for him to prove to people that he is the best in the world?I really want to see him make an assault on the world record.MJ went sub 44 four times in his best season.Wariner has a goal to do it at least five times and to eventually break the world record.

The 400 Hurdles in Osaka had a guy from Greece break their national record in the race.He finished 2nd.I will have to get his name but he looks like he will be a force to be reckoned with.South Africa always excells with their 400 Hurdles Teams.

Edited by white lightning]]> Sun, 07 May 2006 16:43:09 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32655#32655 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Wariner ran a 44.84 into the wind... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32646#32646 Author: freedom1
Subject: 2911
Posted: 07 May 2006 at 2:47pm

Wariner ran a 44.84 into the wind at Modesto yesterday. The guy is just plain awesome.

Below I posted some results from a meet in Osaka Japan. It was Gatlin's first meet and he's already under 10. His goal this year is to break the world record. The Australian, Batman got second in the 200. Takahira of Japan won in 20.48. Lu Xiang easily beat a soft field in the hurdles. He's just coming back from an injury.

100-1, Justin Gatlin, United States, 9.95 seconds. 2, Marcus Brunson, United States, 10.14. 3, Shingo Suetsugu, Japan, 10.28. 4, Kazuyoshi Hidaka, Japan, 10.40. 5, Nobuharu Asahara, Japan, 10.47. 6, Shinya Saburi, Japan, 10.51.

200-1, Shinji Takahira, Japan, 20.48. 2, Daniel Batman, Australia, 20.56. 3, Yusuke Omae, Japan, 20.57. 4, Marcin Urbas, Poland, 20.63. 5, Seth Amoo, Ghana 20.71. 6, Brian Dzingai, Zimbabwe, 20.80.

400-1, Gary Kikaya, Congo, 45.06. 2, Yuzo Kanemaru, Japan, 45.41. 3, Leonard Byrd, United States, 46.22. 4, James Davis, United States, 46.43. 5, Dai Tamesue, Japan, 46.49. 6, Lancford Davis, United States, 46.60.

5,000-1, Martin Irungu Mathathi, Kenya, 13:05.55. 2, James Mwangi Murigi, Kenya, 13:12.26. 3, Josephat Muchiri Ndambiri, Kenya, 13:13.27. 4, John Kariuki, Kenya, 13:14.49. 5, Daniel Muchunu Mwangi, Kenya, 13:51.86. 6, Kazuyoshi Tokumoto, Japan, 14:01.77.

110 hurdles-1, Liu Xiang, China, 13.22. 2, Maurice Wignall, Jamaica, 13.50. 3, Masato Naito, Japan, 13.64. 4, Tasuku Tanonaka, Japan, 13.72. 5, Jermaine Cooper, United States, 13.74. 6, Yasunori Yoshioka, Japan, 13.76.

]]> Sun, 07 May 2006 14:47:41 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32646#32646 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by Jimmy Chitwoodthis... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32491#32491 Author: white is right
Subject: 2911
Posted: 04 May 2006 at 11:20pm

Originally posted by Jimmy Chitwood

this isn't track-related, but it does touch on free_safety's notion that white people haven't succumbed to the media's negrophile propaganda.

i went to an Air Force base on Saturday afternoon to play basketball with some friends from church. we were, of course, all white. we walked into the gym, and it was like the lights had been turned on (if you catch my drift).

anyway, pretty soon the games became white versus black. my buddies and i ruled the court for better than two hours, as team after team of blacks tried to beat us. they kept rotating players in and trying to stack teams to up their talent level and increase their chance of winning, but to no avail. the looks on their faces were priceless as the white men kept holding them down.

Plunk in a tape of the 2004 Olympics and see the US lose to all white Argentine team, or a tape of the Worlds in Indy and watch the US lose to of all countries Puerto Rico.........

Then ask these morons if they still believe in all of this garbage.......

]]> Thu, 04 May 2006 23:20:07 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32491#32491 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by White_SavageGuys: Research... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32478#32478 Author: Alpha Male
Subject: 2911
Posted: 04 May 2006 at 7:07pm

Originally posted by White_Savage

Guys:
Research has already answered this question for us.
A study by blackathlete.net showed that Black children get into formal sports at a rate 7 times that of White children. This effectively cancels the numerical advantage of Whites. When you consider that Blacks are also more likely to concentrate their numbers in a few sports-football, basketball, and track, rather than spreading out in alot of sports like Whites, the implications are pretty obvious.

Actually, it was conducted by Northwestern Unversity and discussed on blackathlete.com, which gives the study, in my opinion, alot more validity.]]> Thu, 04 May 2006 19:07:40 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32478#32478 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Kostas Kentris was white too,... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32441#32441 Author: Freedom
Subject: 2911
Posted: 03 May 2006 at 8:38pm

Kostas Kentris was white too, right?
There are tons of blacks from the burroughs that have NEVER PLAYED BASKETBALL, but have been surrounded by it.
MTV is the enemy. Destroy MTV, destroy the problem.
]]> Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:17 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32441#32441 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : The joys of dealing with trolls,... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32329#32329 Author: Colonel Callan
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 May 2006 at 8:38pm

The joys of dealing with trolls, one doesn't know where to start. Kenyans
have been caught using drugs. Chepchumba was ko'd for EPO, sort of a
sacrifice from Rosa's crew - from his son's crew, excuse me. Daniel
Komen was popped for "excess caffeine", sure. Didn't run to well after
that, no wonder most people think it was more than Starbucks on tap. Of
course, the excuses regarding 'special metabolisms' that make it 'look
like' the athlete was doping come up. Lagat was popped for EPO, but he
ended up with the 'false positive' AND his manager being told by the IAAF
to stop claiming his athlete was fingered unjustly. For all the talk, the
official IAAF reason Lagat was released was for a 'technicality'. Then
there's Ngugi refusing drug tests and getting blasted, Kitur caught on
roids (he was fast 400 meter man). I could go on, but you see the picture.
However, the Africans seem to get off on 'technicalities' or 'extraordinary
circumstances'. Look at the S. African runner Sepeng, he's getting the
extraoridinay circumstances treatment. Thys, the white S. African popped
for the same thing (nandralone) has not had officials rushing to aid
instantly as they did for Sepeng. Why is that? Oh no, it's just paranoia.

BTW, no one has said all the Kenyans are dirty, and only a fool would
think they are all clean. Most insiders feel that Rosa and Hermens etc. are
working with the best 'responders' to some drugs - which means they
might not be the most naturally talented E. Africans. Couple the large
participation of E. Africans with the almost nil interest in Europe and even
worse in the US, you will see a disparity. However, to think that Rosa,
conveniently leaving cycling during the middle of a drug investigation to
coach Kenyan runners doesn't at least warrant a second look is naive or
shows willful igorance. Hermens reputation as an athlete speaks for
itself. Kostre, well, there's one of those E. Bloc fellas somehow ending up
in Ethiopia.

If there were equal interest in distance running in Europe, or even the
interest in the sport there was from the 1960's to the early 80's, probably
half your top runners would be from Europe, which would still mean E.
Africans having a huge share from smaller populations. Removing drugs
from the equation would probably result in some slower records, or at
least the elimination of some questionable performances - such as Geb,
who struggled to break 13 in the 5k a few years later running sub 13 to
wrap up a very quick 10k. Yes, it's all mental or due to generations of
ancestors living at high altitude.

How could anyone really indulge in conspiracy? Too many people would
find out. How was Carl Lewis' drug use buried for over 20 years? Drug
use he doesn't try to deny anymore. No, no officials conspired to keep
that secret. Nope. Too many people involved, yesiree. Selective
enforcement and attention goes on in other sports. Remember the folks
in DC making a show about steroid use in MLB. Conveniently, no black
Americans called in - although Bonds and Sheffield figured prominently.
The NFL? A bastion of fairness, real world results and numbers
notwithstanding. Nothing like dealing with trolls. They say whatever they
want or repeat PC dogma without anything to back themselves up. The
TIm Wise school of debate, lie and run. It's the marxist way!

Are white kids so easily led? Look around. Maybe look at yourself. Then
again, maybe you're one of the leaders.

The current rise of whites in some sports, and the appearance of whites
in events for years deemed 'black only' is probably the result of some
kind of subconscious rebellion, wherein some kids just don't care
anymore, and partly the result of the inevitable swing of the pendulum
when artificial situations are in place. The increased attacks on whites,
subtle and not so subtle signify an awareness on the part of the enemies
of whites, although their arrogance will never let them admit such. ]]> Mon, 01 May 2006 20:38:46 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32329#32329 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : this isn't track-related,... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32301#32301 Author: Jimmy Chitwood
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 May 2006 at 2:42pm

this isn't track-related, but it does touch on free_safety's notion that white people haven't succumbed to the media's negrophile propaganda.

i went to an Air Force base on Saturday afternoon to play basketball with some friends from church. we were, of course, all white. we walked into the gym, and it was like the lights had been turned on (if you catch my drift).

anyway, pretty soon the games became white versus black. my buddies and i ruled the court for better than two hours, as team after team of blacks tried to beat us. they kept rotating players in and trying to stack teams to up their talent level and increase their chance of winning, but to no avail. the looks on their faces were priceless as the white men kept holding them down.

to get to the point of the story...afterwards when we were hanging out with various friends over the next couple of days, when someone was told that we played against a bunch of blacks in hoops, the other party would unanimously assume we got our butts kicked and were shocked that in fact we had done the butt whooping.

does that small illustration show you how powerfully effective and far-ranging the indoctrination has become? perception is reality, and white people in this country have been shown/told for decades that they are always athletically inferior to blacks. ]]> Mon, 01 May 2006 14:42:11 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32301#32301 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Man it gets tedious but I will... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32257#32257 Author: surfsider
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 11:18pm

Man it gets tedious but I will respond. Citing Rono's world record tear in '78 is just a stupid way to buttress the argument that the Kenyans were so hurt by missing the '76 and '80 Olympics. Saying that East African running blossomed in the late '80s because of increased commercialization ignores the great success that African runners had been having for decades. Bikila winning the marathon in '60 and '64 for example. Wolde, Keino, Jipcho... Then too, there are the hordes of Africans that had been running at American colleges for decades.

I'll be as dismissive of free_safety's naive(cynical?) acceptance of the purity and integrity of international track and field's drug-testing as he is of the "conspiracy theories" of doping and cover-ups. The recent revelations about all the hushed-up drug violations by U.S. track should make anyone suspicious about the honesty of the process. Poor Marion Jones has endured such calumny, her career is ruined and she has never failed a drug test while loudly and proudly proclaiming her innocence; so where are the libel suits? Come on Marion, your character has been impugned! Yeah, right.]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:18:51 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32257#32257 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : You guys said it as good or better... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32245#32245 Author: white lightning
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 9:35pm

You guys said it as good or better than I could.Free Saftey is an idiot who is just trying to stir the pot.He knows very little about track.Entines Book "Taboo"is being made out to be the lie that it is.He guaranteed that africans would win every medal from the 100 to the distance events.What happened?Why has the fastest woman in the world been a white woman 2 of the last 3 major championships.Do you not think that it is possible for white men to be competetive again?If so,explain how we were in the past before the c.rights movement.Everything changed and most of the opportunities dried up.There is an uprising and Wariner is only the beginning.What are you going to do when we start winning more than you?

Edited by white lightning]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:35:44 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32245#32245 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by jaxvidThe... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32239#32239 Author: Bart
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 8:57pm

Originally posted by jaxvid

The style of dress amazes me. it was a fairly cool day but the girls wore as little as possible. (end of rant)

Jaxvid, your observations are sad but true. While waiting for new tires to be placed on my car, I decided to lunch at the mall within walking distance. The so-called white area was filled with blacks, Mestizo's and wiggers. One girl who could not have been more than 12 had her belly and waist completely exposed and had a tattoo just above her gluteus maximus. Her jeans were worn very low at the waist to reveal the artwork. The blacks openly lust after and hit on the silly white girls. And we wonder why so many of them are pushing around negro babies? I am amazed at the stupidity of suburban soccer-moms who allow their daughters to dress like hookers. After decades of brainwashing what can be expected?

I recently drove up state to visit relatives in a small town . It was nice to see so many white people in the stores, restaurants and gas stations on my destination. I was in for a shock when I arrived. The damn town has become a Hmong haven. Once they get on welfare, they never get off and breed like rabbits. Thanks to the churches who sponsor them and always seem to have plenty of money to import more of them along with Africans, we will soon have no place left as a refuge.

]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:57:38 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32239#32239 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Saturday I went to a local "fair"... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32232#32232 Author: jaxvid
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 7:44pm

Saturday I went to a local "fair" that had amusement rides and games and junk food. Virtually all of the white kids there were trying to be either black or goth. Nothing but sideways caps, baggy down to the ass pants, piercings, tatoo's, and whigger speech, mannerism's, and behavior. It was sad. Alot of white girls with black guys and a whole lot of mixed race babies.

The style of dress amazes me. it was a fairly cool day but the girls wore as little as possible. One might think that is good but most of the girls were very fat and made no attemot to hide it. Huge rolls of flab peeking out from too short shirts, piles of lard wrapped up in extrememly tight shirts and stretch pants. Hot pants on cellulite and vein covered legs. It was disgusting!

All the music at the rides was rap. Really filthy stuff blaring out of loud speakers using the words sh*t and f**k. All the kids were bopping to the beat and seemed to know the words even young 12 year old white girls could sing along with the filthy rappers.

There were a few parents, if you can call them that, there with their kids. The parents were the obvious reasons for the kids dysfunction. Fat and ill dressed themselves in age inappropriate clothing, always smoking and looking probably 20 years older then their real ages.

Not surprising that a 12 year old girl wears full make-up, halter top with "I'm a slut" on it and tight pants that shows her ass crack, when Mom is letting her boobs hang out as she chases her little half breeds around.

And this is in a suburb. When somebody asks if white kids are weak minded, I would have to say: OH YEAH!!!

I'm a pessimist about white culture and here is why. A lot of white people are not very smart. Yes we have many geniuses that push our average IQ's up the scale but there are a lot of really stupid white people. Traditionally we evolved ways to reduce the effect these stupid asses had on our society, mainly by restricting political power and then the vote. But now? We are wide open to the many weaknesses of our people. And they are being exploited to no end.

The rest of us are caught in the middle. Where can I take my kids to prevent them from being exposed to the poisonous effects of our culture? If TV doesn't get them then school will. If I keep them away from school or TV then the kids in the neighborhood get them. When I try to rail against the morality that is taught to them at every turn I risk being targeted as an unfit parent. Church? HAH! Which one? They nearly all contribute to the ruin in an attempt to fit in or profit.

(end of rant)]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:44:58 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32232#32232 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by free-safetyTo... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32225#32225 Author: JD074
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 7:11pm

Originally posted by free-safety

To colonel
Are whites kids today so weak minded? I think not.

You might be surprised. ]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:11:16 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32225#32225 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : There are a lot of reasons to... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32220#32220 Author: jaxvid
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 6:37pm

There are a lot of reasons to like this site but one of my favorite reasons is the treatment given to trolls.

If free_safety went to any other sports board and spoke against the prevailing views the response would be: F--K OFF!!!! and he would be banned.

Here we politely give the same responses to the same questions and WS hits him with the caste system nuclear bomb of "if you believe in genetics determing athleticism, why not intelligence? (Especially when there is so much more evidence on IQ then athletics.)]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:37:49 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32220#32220 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : So free-safety, I guess you think... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32215#32215 Author: White_Savage
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 6:22pm

So free-safety, I guess you think genetics is king and that it has been "proven" that Whites just don't the genetics to compete in Track with blacks, at all.

So you take time out of your precious lifespan to post to a website whose gist is that Whites don't nessecarily suck as athletes, and that there are a host of societal factors explaining why one group may dominate certain sports at certain times.

You've decided to join debate with the few people who think that Whites just might be equal to Blacks in athletics (our "misguided" views must not be allowed to stand). How often have you joined a similar debate with the MANY people who clamor that Black results on I.Q. tests (Where they fall behind White averages far more than Whites fall behind Blacks in sprinting times), in the educational/work system, in crime, even as QBs in football, cannot have anything to do with innate ability, but result from unfair societal conditions?

Surely if the differences between the races are so vast and innate that 12% of the population being 90% of the athletes in certain sporting roles is the verdict of nature, then the dominance and superior performance of Whites in many aspects of life must also be nature and not nurture.

Tell me honestly: How many times have you gone on forums or gone in person to tell Blacks/Liberals to quit whining about "unfairness", that all evidence points to innate differences in mental traits between Whites and Blacks?

I'd bet my last dollar haven't done it once. If you have, I appologize. I diagree, but at least your consistent. But most likely you haven't, and you probably don't realize how hypocritical and anti-White speaking on one issue but not the other is, since that is EXACTLY the practice which has been mainstreamed in our society. "White Men Can't Jump"=funny, but "The Bell Curve"=heresy! Burn the heathens....

If you actually bothered to read all that FS, I thank you. We now return you to your regularly scheduled troll-bashing....]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:22:21 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32215#32215 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by free-safetyActually... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32205#32205 Author: SteveB
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 4:37pm

Originally posted by free-safety

Actually many European countries take track and field far more seriously than does the US and have specific programs tailored to identify young talent and develop. Any German on this forum can attest to that.

I would disagree, the NCAA program is hands down the best "farm system" for track and field in the world. They have the best coaches and recruit talent from all over the world. Take a look at the top athletes in the NCAA rankings and see how many are from foreign countries.

With the exception of Great Britain, Germany, and Russia, the rest of Europe's track development is light years behind the U.S. For example, one of the top 2 sprinters in Europe is Matic Osovnikar. He was a competitive downhill skier until his late teens. If he would have been discovered in his early teens, he might be one of the top 100m guys in the world.

Originally posted by free-safety

Secondly track is the most objective sport. If a white kid consistently wins races, there is no fathomable reason a coach would exclude him from the team. Further to that almost each and every one of us has tried out for track in our childhood for the simple reason that is the simplest most straightforward sport.

We are not talking about excluding him from the team. Early in their development, the vast majority of white kids are automatically slotted to the longer distance events. Sprinting is something that takes years of training to get to an elite level. Just look at the progression of any of the top sprinters. Many of them were 11.0 100m guys in their mid teens. If they were white, they would have been moved to the 400m, 800m, Decathalon, etc. Visit any t&f website and you will still see people encouraging Wariner to run the 800m, when he's the best in the world at 400m. Sprint training is totally different from endurance training.

Originally posted by free-safety

Are there any recorded cases of talented white kids not getting scholarships ? I would dearly like to see proof of this.

I can think of two right off the top of my head. Trey Griffin (white) was one of the top two 100m sprinters in Texas in 2001, DeBryan Blanton (black) was the other. Both had identical PB of 10.32. Griffin was not offered a track scholarship by any of the major schools, Blanton went to Oklahoma. Griffin played football for SMU, where he rarely saw the field. He ran a little track in the offseason, but SMU dropped its track program. Luckily, he was able to transfer to Texas for his last season of eligibility, but to my understanding, he isn't on scholarship.

Matt Bruno was the California 100m and 200m champ, who went on to run for UCLA. After his first year, he was dismissed from the team for violating team rules. Here's where the double standard comes into play. It wasn't disclosed what the violation was, but it wasn't bad enough that he broke any laws. Black athletes can violate team rules, laws, etc, and they are always given a second chance, but no second chance for Bruno.

Originally posted by free-safety

When you say whites have been taught that they are not good, you are giving far too much credit to the media. No self respecting track coach will tell his students that their race bars them from being good. Are whites kids today so weak minded? I think not.

It is not just the coaches or the media, but a mindset of society. The coach won't tell his athlete that he is no good, he will just not slot them to run sprints.

Originally posted by free-safety

Go to any high school track meet across the states and you will see white kids competing and doing well at the sprints.

Actually, I go to some high school track meets and follow all of the meets in Texas, and there are very few whites doing well at the sprints. The ones that are doing well, are going to play baseball or football in college. (see Fast HSer) If what you say is true, then that should mean that more white kids should be running sprints in college. Participation is the key to getting more white kids at the elite level of sprinting. The problem is that their coaches, parents, etc are encouraging them to play some other sport.
]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:37:01 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32205#32205 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : I wonder if those who come to... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32197#32197 Author: White Shogun
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 3:18pm

I wonder if those who come to this site to argue or disprove the existence of a caste system in any sport bother to search the site or read any of the old threads. I haven't seen one yet come on board and present any new evidence or factoid that hasn't already been discussed on this site before.

Paraphrase, rephrase, change terms or definitions - still the same old, tired, worn out mantra that pushes the idea that blacks are better athletes.

Whites need not apply.

Why is it that the 100 meter sprint is considered the be all and end all of track competition anyway? Why doesn't Jeremy Wariner or Rock get nearly the accolades that Michael Johnson did? Did you see the coverage they gave the black ice skater in the Winter Olympics for his gold medal? Why isn't that kind of coverage offered to Wariner and Rock? Why are those two considered an anomaly while a gold medal winning black ice skater is perceived as more evidence of black athletic superiority, and 'only if blacks were given more opportunities or more interested in winter sports, they'd dominate those, too' comments abound.

You don't think role models matter? Then why the incessant push to display every black person on film and television as a doctor, lawyer, mayor, chief of police, or hero? White kids are beaten down in this country every day. They're not allowed to be proud they're white. They're constantly told that they can't ball as good as the blacks, they can't run as fast, and don't EVEN think about getting into a fight with a brother if you're white - you'll lose. Its like a lack of pigment is something akin to a debilitating illness that makes one weak and pacified or something.

Obviously, its all BS, but if you believe it, its true for you.

]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:18:21 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32197#32197 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : free_safety (must be white or... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32194#32194 Author: jaxvid
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 3:09pm

free_safety (must be white or his avatar would be corner_back

)

we have gone over this many times on the forum. I will leave you with an old post from colonel callahan which I have reposted bfore (because I think it sums the issue up nicely) and a link to another thread which covered this issue and might illustrate our feelings on the matter.

forum track link

Colonel's post)
it is no secret that the Africans can easily beat testing because they are so remote from the testers. Also some of the European testers are said to be reluctent to bust them as it is the only way for them to make any money.

here is a post from colonel callahan back in Feb, that sums it up: Topic: Steroids in Track & Field

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Oh, all kinds of athletes use steroids. However, blacks have enjoyed
tremendous cover by officials and the media for about 40 years,
while whites (like the E. Germans) were always having fingers
pointed at them. I told people this for many years - my involvment
with the sport was far beyond that of casual or even fan. No one
believed me about athletes like Carl Lewis, among others. Then a
little tax investigation into Balco dovetailed nicely with Marion Jones'
old coach turning in a syringe with the residue from a "new" steroid
in it. Sure enough, it turned out the USATF, TAC, AAU, USOC, WADA
etc. had been covering up for blacks for years - not only in the US,
but in other countries as well.

Wariner? He's not on anything right now. That much is obvious. He is
probably the fastest ever runner - clean runner - over that distance.
How many other runners like him have quit the sport due to lack of
encouragement or bias? It's scary to ponder. Whites are
discouraged, blacks are encouraged and handed every advantage.
When I hear stories of "disadvantaged black or brown youth" etc. I
cringe, as they have so many avenues of free help, free facilities, free
training, you name it, here in the US and many places abroad. And
the facilities etc. abroad are many times funded by organizations
from the US!

I will relate the "alleged" (snicker) Michael Johnson story again. In
'92, fans will recall MJ contracted food poisoning, and ended up not
running as well as predicted. He couldn't make it through the rounds
of the 200, but did get a medal in the 4 x 400 relay. Well ...
"allegedly" (I snicker for reasons that will be all out in the open one
day) what really happened was MJ was popped on a random drug
test. The IAAF/IOC freaked. They didn't want another Ben Johnson
situation. So they brokered a deal. MJ would be constantly
monitored. If he stayed clean, he could run. Any hint of further drug
use, out he goes. Folks in the circle say MJ's confidence went down
the tubes - as did his muscular, ripped physique. Well, between '92
and '96, "supposedly", synthetic HGH (Human Growth Hormone) was
added to his drug *******tail by his doctors/sponsors/agent. He
became heavier and faster as we all saw in the Atlanta Games. His
19.32 200 was also the product of an illegally thin/hard track as well
as drugs. Look at the times of the second and third place runners -
who weren't drug free either - they never approached those times
again, never mind MJ. Sure, people will say it's made up. The folks
at Track and Field News know all the details, but won't say a thing,
calling it all rumour. Sure.

Anyway, whites were/are being purposely running out of sports. No
white heroes are wanted. The puppet masters can't control
everything, and the pendulum always swings the other way. I suspect
that we might see more whites succeed in "black" events/positions
simply due to young people rebelling against what they are told - as
long as they can also fight against the psychology that has made so
many whites timid, unwilling to fight or compete - and I'm not only
writing about sports. The internet is a great tool for us - as is the
emergence of DV/HD/DVD editing and creation on the PC. I am
working with some others on a possible project concerning much of
what we see/read on this site.

Back to track - whites were purposely KO'd from the sprints, as the
100 was and is the glamour event (with the mile in second).
Distance running was the next target, with that being almost totally
dominated by Europeans with four or five Kenyans or Ethiopians
making some impact. Once Dr. Gabriele Rosa fled cycling during a
drug investigation (of course, he was just tired of the sport, etc.) and
began training Kenyans, things changed within months. Kenyan
runners began running faster and faster and faster. With no changes
in training or mileage. Hmmmm. Jos Hermens, from the same bunch
as Rosa I might add, goes to Ethiopia and the same things happen.
And of course, E. Africans never undergo random drug tests at
home, always off in some remote village or some such if a tester can
even make out of the airport in Nairobi or Addis Ababa. When E.
Africans have been caught, like Kenya's greatest miler, Bernard
Lagat, politics intervene, and here come the excuses and stories,
such as Lagat's impossible "false positive" test, which then turned
into a "technicality" when the snickers turned to roars. It should
also be noted that Lagat's manager has been warned by the
governing bodies to not mention stories of "false accusations" and
the like under penalty of being barred from the sport. It's all the
same politics that black sprinters (especially American blacks) have
enjoyed for decades. Note that despite all the help, Europeans
managed to get in and scalp them in some distance events, as did
Morocco's Hicham El Guerrouj. (The Kenyans and Ethiopians ]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:09:32 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32194#32194 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : To colonel Actually many European... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32180#32180 Author: free-safety
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 1:46pm

To colonel

Actually many European countries take track and field far more seriously than does the US and have specific programs tailored to identify young talent and develop. Any German on this forum can attest to that.
Secondly track is the most objective sport. If a white kid consistently wins races, there is no fathomable reason a coach would exclude him from the team. Further to that almost each and every one of us has tried out for track in our childhood for the simple reason that is the simplest most straightforward sport.

Are there any recorded cases of talented white kids not getting scholarships ? I would dearly like to see proof of this. I can see this happening in football to a certain extent but track ? I don�t think so.

When you say whites have been taught that they are not good, you are giving far too much credit to the media. No self respecting track coach will tell his students that their race bars them from being good. Are whites kids today so weak minded? I think not. Go to any high school track meet across the states and you will see white kids competing and doing well at the sprints.

On blacks being protected by officials I will refer you to Tim Montgomery, Kelli White, Justin Harrison , Marion Jones and the myriad of other black athletes who have been banned. Marion Jones case is especially glaring because not only was she a media darling but she has been condemned without ever having failed a drug test. That blows any conspiracy theory out of the water. In fact had she been white, the howls of a conspiracy theory from many here would reach a crescendo.

To the surfsider

I have been following track closely for a long time. You mentioned the poor performance of Kenya and other African nations at Helsinki 83. But you seem not to realize that prior to 83, Kenya and Ethiopia had been producing world class runners. In fact Henry Rono who was a USA college based athlete set 5 world records in a 3 month span in 78. Kenya did poorly at Helsinki 83 because they had missed out on international competition for the 11 year period between 1972 and 1983. That lack of international exposure led to a significant drop in standards and low motivation among athletes based in Kenya, hence their poor performance. But by LA 1984, they were on the way back.

As for Dr Rosa and doping, that�s just a conspiracy theory with no basis. Its worth noting that Kenya & to a lesser extent Ethiopia produces literally hundreds of world class runners who compete in marathons, road races, Olympics, cwealth games, golden league meetings, all of which have stringent dope testing procedures. Yet no Kenyan has ever been banned for failing a dope test. I see absolutely no reason why the media across the entire globe would conspire to keep Dr Rosa�s activities on Kenya a secret if he were doping up Kenyans. The media loves sensational stories. And in this day of the internet, its virtually impossible that such a story would not break. Further to that, the IAAF has no plausible reason for protecting Kenyans or Ethiopians. Dr Rosa�s impact is overplayed. He works with a select few athletes. Many Kenyan athletes have in all likelihood never met Dr Rosa.

The rise in the performance of East Africans starting in the late 80s coincided with the commercilization of track. Prior to then there was littlke motivation to excel because most East African track heros lived in poverty.
]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:46:21 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32180#32180 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : in terms of raw physical talent... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32154#32154 Author: bigman
Subject: 2911
Posted: 30 April 2006 at 4:19am

in terms of raw physical talent JW is not so extraordinary.. yes great to be sure, but not alone in any sense. however he has mental drive and most importantly he is being coached by the best in the business.

Edited by bigman]]> Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:19:05 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32154#32154 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : I was hoping you would take up... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32088#32088 Author: surfsider
Subject: 2911
Posted: 29 April 2006 at 4:09pm

I was hoping you would take up the cudgels on this one Colonel. I would only add that free_safety should quickly peruse results from Olympic and World championships that will limn your thesis perfectly. I would refer free_safety to the World Championships thread on this site which has postings on this topic. Look especially at the results from the '83 Worlds, even more than in the sprints look what has happened to whites in the distances since Dr. Rosa and his syringe hit Africa.]]> Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:09:20 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32088#32088 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : The caste system in sprinting... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32084#32084 Author: Colonel Callan
Subject: 2911
Posted: 29 April 2006 at 3:42pm

The caste system in sprinting is based in the US. The countries listed by
"free-safety" have never had much of interest or history of sprinting,
despite producing a top sprinter once in a while. The interest isn't there.

In the US, we basically had our top people going back and forth between
blacks and whites - blacks have a higher percentage of people with sprint
talent, but there are fast whites, and they would routinely win titles and
championships. Look at sprint results in worldwide meets through the
mid 60's. By 1968, the 'campaign' had hit full gear, Sports Illustrated
began an attack on whites, going on and on about 'black speed' etc. From
the mid 60's on, whites have been denigrated and denied many sports in
the US, not just track. For some "reason", white kids with talent all of a
sudden were not getting scholarships when it came to sprints. This was
abrupt. Same thing happened in football in many positions, a bit slowly
at first, then accelerated. Now we see talented whites buried by scores of
less talented whites - not to mention decreased white participation
because whites have been taught they aren't as good or don't have a
chance - in short, all the things that are claimed to be done to blacks -
but they are actually done to whites. It's along the lines of jewish leftists
wailing about Hitler but denying or turning a blind eye to jewish led
communism in E. Europe, people like Lazar Kaganavich murdering
between 20 - 30 million people and getting a pass, being ignored.
However, I digress. The US had a great sprint tradition, still has one, but
whites were booted. The glamour events are the 100 and the mile, and if
you wanted to quickly KO whites in an event, you'd go for the 100, as
black American standouts in the mile are not a dime a dozen. If you don't
think American blacks are aided by officials, then explain why Carl Lewis
was protected during his career despite repeated positive drug test
results. All he says now is that he was doing what everyone else was
doing. Why is Mr. Gatlin let off with some lame excuse about a "learning
disability" (so many blacks in track caught on stimulants claim ADD) while
Kenteris is attacked and pilloried? Kenteris was chased because he'd won
the Olympics and Worlds, and he was quite an embarrassment to some
people one would suspect.

Wariner came out and blew things open in the 400 and all of a sudden we
see more and more white runners in the event. If he's left alone, more
great things may happen. If he's left alone. Don't doubt the powers that
be letting some people "get away with more" so we can have a "Quincy
Watts" for the press to worship. Yeah, sounds paranoid, but King Carl was
a drug and media creation, not to mention top dog for shoe
endorsements.

It was only a matter of time before cracks would appear. Look at
European success against the invincible NBA, Wariner, the collapse of
black supremacy in boxing which might have been helped out by white
success in NHB where top black fighters are rare. The US has white kids
with talent all over the place, but they will not be encouraged, rarely given
a chance, with the media and academia leading the anti white charge. The
disparity we see in numbers between blacks and whites in some US sports
is artificially inflated. The NFL and sprints are two of our main examples.

The media will trumpet the people they deem should be top dogs. That's
one of the biggest hurdles, one of the biggest keys to this problem. Why
do you think boxing is less of a presence on the one eyed bolshevist?
Too many white champs all of a sudden.]]> Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:42:03 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32084#32084 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Based on Maple leafs comments,... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32073#32073 Author: free-safety
Subject: 2911
Posted: 29 April 2006 at 9:56am

Based on Maple leafs comments, I am curious as to how a caste system forbids white participation. Does a caste system exist in Russia, Greece, Italy, Sweden etc. If not then why arent there many world class sprinters from these all white countries ?

]]> Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:56:17 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=32073#32073 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : I'm curious to see that story... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30748#30748 Author: white lightning
Subject: 2911
Posted: 03 April 2006 at 1:13am

I'm curious to see that story to.I will say that on the average,more black families push their kids harder because they truely believe that athletics is the key to a better life.They really push these kids hard from a very young age and it has seemed to pay off in the some of the major sports.There is a fine line though between wants to hard and what's not.I would like to see more white families on average supporting their kids equally.Kids need to feel a sense of acheivment and a parents love is the ultimate gift.

Edited by white lightning]]> Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:13:13 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30748#30748 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by White_SavageGuys:... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30742#30742 Author: Don Wassall
Subject: 2911
Posted: 03 April 2006 at 12:01am

White Savage, do you have a link for this study? I'm not sure what is meant by "formal" sports; does that mean organized at a certain level? Not that I necessarily trust blackathlete.net to do an unbiased study. My own sense of the matter is that blacks don't get into organized sports at anywhere near the rate of seven times that of whites.

]]> Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:01:49 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30742#30742 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Good points in this thread. The... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30720#30720 Author: sunshine
Subject: 2911
Posted: 02 April 2006 at 3:01pm

Good points in this thread. The rate of participation and dedication etc. are all important factors that have led to the lopsided racial balance we see in major sports from football, basketball,(I would argue baseball) to track. Other socio factors figure in as well. One obvious one is the way many white families steer away from sports that blacks "dominate" such as football and basketball, especially from high school onward.]]> Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:01:29 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30720#30720 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Guys: Research has already answered... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30709#30709 Author: White_Savage
Subject: 2911
Posted: 02 April 2006 at 10:16am

Guys:
Research has already answered this question for us.
A study by blackathlete.net showed that Black children get into formal sports at a rate 7 times that of White children. This effectively cancels the numerical advantage of Whites. When you consider that Blacks are also more likely to concentrate their numbers in a few sports-football, basketball, and track, rather than spreading out in alot of sports like Whites, the implications are pretty obvious.]]> Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:16:05 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30709#30709 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : I will say this for track you... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30672#30672 Author: white is right
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 April 2006 at 10:14pm

I will say this for track you can have near world class potential in Canada and you may not get discovered unless you sign up for a track club. Football is the same thing as highschool football has very little scouting and poor coaching, but club teams are emphasized. So someone with ability but not the gumption to search out a club may fall through the cracks. ]]> Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:14:56 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30672#30672 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : I don't know what the stats... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30668#30668 Author: Maple Leaf
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 April 2006 at 9:36pm

I don't know what the stats are for sports participation in my own country, Canada, but the U.S. is probably similiar. Without research, I can only base my observations on empiricle evidence. Without a doubt participation in sports like boxing and track have very poor numbers. However, swimming and soccer are very, very high. In fact programs are difficult to get into they are so full. These are some sports that I know very well and the reasons parents tell me they won't let their children participate:
Boxing: parents simply don't want their kids taking blows to the head.
Football: blows to body and head are a concern, also they feel all pro footballers take drugs to compete and they simply don't want their kids to jeopardize their long term health.
Track: few programs, general lack of interest, and concerns most sprinters take drugs to compete.
Basketball: in schools that have a high black population parents are concerned about negative influence on their kids from blacks.
These examples are the only sports that have a high black participation. So much more can be said but there's always another topic to include them in.
I will say though, I was at a swim meet the other day that had over 300 swimmers (kids under 14) with all of their parents in attendence as well. Extremely high interest and the crowd was 99% white. I don't have to tell you that behavior was excellent. In fact, the police couldn't even find a car that was illegally parked!]]> Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:36:20 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30668#30668 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : Originally posted by white is... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30657#30657 Author: Don Wassall
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 April 2006 at 8:27pm

Originally posted by white is right

They don't do sports period, white Americans in general have become pussies. Too much wealth has produced physical decay. It's not a coincidence that white revival in boxing is from eastern europeans where the average annual income is less than a welfare reciepents in North America...

I think that's overstating it. Look at all the whites who play high school football (which is practically a religion in many places), who wrestle, play baseball, basketball, soccer and spend lots of time participating in other sports. There's no question that the percentage of couch potatoes among whites is distressingly high, but there are still many millions who play sports. To beat back the Caste System in football, basketball and track though, it's going to take some whites with an indomitable spirt and mental toughness to go along with all-out training and preparation.

]]> Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:27:17 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30657#30657 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : They don't do sports period,... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30642#30642 Author: white is right
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 April 2006 at 5:54pm

They don't do sports period, white Americans in general have become pussies. Too much wealth has produced physical decay. It's not a coincidence that white revival in boxing is from eastern europeans where the average annual income is less than a welfare reciepents in North America...]]> Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:54:34 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30642#30642 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : A caste system ensures poor participation.... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30640#30640 Author: white lightning
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 April 2006 at 5:14pm

A caste system ensures poor participation. You nailed it right on the head.There are more Wariners out there but we very rarely see one.Most of these kids go into other sports.Until whites enjoy watching & running track like the blacks,the domination will continue.Hopefully,kids like Wariner & Rock will only be the tip of the iceburg!]]> Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:14:57 +0000 http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30640#30640 Wariner’s Success Is Not Extraordinary : This stuff's old news. Wariner... http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PID=30634#30634 Author: Maple Leaf
Subject: 2911
Posted: 01 April 2006 at 9:11am

This stuff's old news. Wariner has not done what a white man has not already done many times before. Before black runners were "discovered" in the mid twentieth century white men ran and won in all distances against all peoples including guess who, yes, blacks.
"But those times were so slow back then",you say.
I scratch behind my head. "Yeah, but everyone's times were slower back then".
"But blacks weren't given the opportunity before. Now they are and they are unstopable. Look man, they like rule track and ..."
I interupt. "Opportunity? When? At what period?"
"Before the 'mid twentieth century', as you say"
"Well let me put it to you this way," I say. And this is what I said. "The forties were a wash because of La Deuxi`eme Guerre Mondiale (WWII). In the thirties I recall Owens did quite well. The Olympics only re-started in 1896 and for him to win a gold medal some thirty years later it means he must have had some fair training and opportunity long before then. It seems to me whites have always been pretty fair about this. And I'll add this whether you like it or not: sports are like manual labour and blacks are very prevalent in manual jobs so it's only natural they would also turn to sports."
The only thing, if anything, I see extraordinary about Wariner was his age at such a high level of achievement. He obviously found that he liked running at a young age and grew into his sport which is what a champion needs to do anywhere. You can't start at 18. It may also be that he peaked at a young age and may not get that much faster.
Look, it's just running, and that's it. Let's not make much more of it than that. Anyone can run. We all have legs don't we? Speed is a state of mind, not color. The only basic requisite is desire. I don't want to reveal much technique because of raiders but I will say this: you have to imagine the other side of the finish line is pulling you to it- you are not trying to catch it.
I'm not saying everyone is going to be a champion. Obviously the man 5'5" has a shorter stride than a man 6'0" and, if they have the same leg speed, the taller man will out run the shorter once he has hit full speed and those extra 10 cms or so start to add up. But stride length is not exclusive to any race. If you never try you will never win. Poor results stem from poor participation. A caste system ensures poor participation.

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